• Teleportation Dilemma
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[QUOTE=JohnEdwards;17026200]they have been able to teletport a grain of salt in finland .001 inches, living things I doubt we will get it that far[/QUOTE] they used wind
[QUOTE=GoroMan;17040928]Super fast internet maybe? They been already teleporting data.[/QUOTE] How the fuck do you teleport data.
[QUOTE=aVoN;17045834] What do you want to tell us with this? If it is, what I think you mean ("attaching the atoms to your neutrino-carrier") then all you post is totally contradicting.[/QUOTE] I was speaking of attaching the original atoms to light. You can't attach them to photons. Use the next best thing, Neutrinos. Form a bond between the original atoms and use Neutrinos as a hypothetical tug-boat to pull the originals to another location. Look: If you assign a "local" 3D coord grid to the body and use the, say, belly button as the center. If you "push" all the neutrinos with the same force so that they detatch at a certain point of time, the body should reconstruct at a seperate location. Mathmatically, the atoms (points) will stay in the same relative position. Basically, instead of teleportation by a stream, just "noclip" or phase (technically the wrong term, yes, but what else would it be called) the body that is being transported. [I]I can't imagine that the atom-neutrino bond would last long, so if you force the neutrinos with the body with the same force throughout, they should detatch later at the same point of time, leaving the body solid.[/I] This type of "Phasing" should be more easily established than true dimensional phasing. And since there are so many neutrinos, we shouldn't run out(100billion or so a second through your fingernail.) [QUOTE=aVoN;17045834] Now you speak about teleporation by modulation a carrier.[/QUOTE] Not like a carrier wave, just a tug or piggybacking. Like I said above. [B](All theoretical, of course. I have no degree in physics(yet), So I'm no expert.)[/B] I really don't get why they don't call teleportation today Telep[B]r[/B]optation. They just copy and paste properties. Scifi teleportation should be called telelocation, to avoid confusion.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;17026341]No they haven't. They haven't even teleported molecules yet.[/QUOTE] Actually I heard it was a grain of carbon they had teleported
Beam me up scotty
This is the creepy thing about playing Eve online. When you get podded, that's it for your original character. You die there in space, a floating, swollen corpse among the stars. Light years away, a clone with your memory and skills awakens and begins a new life. But it's not you.
Where would your mind go when your in between the two teleportation points? Does it just cease to exist for that amount of time, or is it still active while it is data within the computers?
[QUOTE=implaying8;17046156]I was speaking of attaching the original atoms to light. You can't attach them to photons. Use the next best thing, Neutrinos. Form a bond between the original atoms and use Neutrinos as a hypothetical tug-boat to pull the originals to another location.[/QUOTE] You can't "attach" atoms to neutrinos. You need a force for this and there are only 4 known forces: Strong Nuclear Force, Weak Nuclear Force, Electro Magnetism and Gravity. None can be used to "attach atoms to neutrinos" in the way you need it (neutrinos interact by weak nuclear force) [QUOTE=implaying8;17046156]If you assign a "local" 3D coord grid to the body and use the, say, belly button as the center. If you "push" all the neutrinos with the same force so that they detatch at a certain point of time, the body should reconstruct at a seperate location.[/quote] This has several problems. Before you the neutrinos start interacting with your body, the energy density of the neutrino stream becomes really huge. Massive amounts of energy would be wasted. [QUOTE=implaying8;17046156]Mathmatically, the atoms (points) will stay in the same relative position. Basically, instead of teleportation by a stream, just "noclip" or phase (technically the wrong term, yes, but what else would it be called) the body that is being transported.[/quote] First of all, atoms aren't points. Second, dispersion would destroy your plans. Such as light is bend by entering a denser material, neutrinos follow the same rule. So if you push neutrinos through any stuff, they (slightly) interact and won't be 100% at the "place" where they were before. [QUOTE=implaying8;17046156][I]I can't imagine that the atom-neutrino bond would last long, so if you force the neutrinos with the body with the same force throughout, they should detatch later at the same point of time, leaving the body solid.[/I][/quote] They won't even ever attach to neutrinos. And still, if you SHOOT neutrinos through something and atoms were hypothetically be attached to them, the neutrinos would simply go through "that something" and the atoms collide with it. [QUOTE=implaying8;17046156]This type of "Phasing" should be more easily established than true dimensional phasing. [/quote] You have no idea, what a phase is. Better stop your technobabbles you copied from Star Trek. [QUOTE=implaying8;17046156]And since there are so many neutrinos, we shouldn't run out(100billion or so a second through your fingernail.)[/quote] Yes, and they come from the sun. And they hardly interact with you, or do you feel them? No!. So how to "catch or even manipulate them" if they hardly interact with you. One more thing: Neutrino-Oscillation could give more problems because all three types of neutrinos (electron-,tau- and myon-neutrino) behave differently. [QUOTE=implaying8;17046156](All theoretical, of course. I have no degree in physics(yet), [b]So I'm no expert.[B] )I really don't get why they don't call teleportation today Telep[B]r[/B]optation. They just copy and paste properties. Scifi teleportation should be called telelocation, to avoid confusion.[/QUOTE] Yes, you are no expert and you just heard something (Cool, neutrinos!) you now try to associate with something else - Science is not that simple.
If memories are transported too I don't think dying matters. Except if souls exist.
[QUOTE=Pixelbanana;17026171]1. Analyzing every single aspect of a person's data produces such an enormous amount of data, that no modern computer can handle it. No computer for the next 100 years will probably be able to handle it.[/QUOTE] Quantum processors are gonna be here way before 100 years have gone past
[QUOTE=aVoN;17047832] 1.First of all, atoms aren't points. 2.You have no idea, what a phase is. Better stop your technobabbles you copied from Star Trek. 3.Yes, and they come from the sun. And they hardly interact with you, or do you feel them? No!. So how to "catch or even manipulate them" if they hardly interact with you. One more thing: Neutrino-Oscillation could give more problems because all three types of neutrinos (electron-,tau- and myon-neutrino) behave differently. 4.Second, dispersion would destroy your plans. [/QUOTE] 1.That was just an expression. 2.There are lots of types of phases ie: 5 known phases of matter (B-E Condensate, Solid, liquid, gas, plasma) - I know that i was using the wrong term: [quote=me] (technically the wrong term, yes, but what else would it be called) [/quote] 3. I said we have no current technology to do this already: [quote=me]Still, I don't believe we have a way of capturing them or attaching them to items as of yet. [/quote] 4.I totally overlooked that. I'm sure an intense EM field could help that.
you can't attach stuff to neutrinos to send it somewhere
[QUOTE=Billiam;17026258]If there's no law of physics against it...[/QUOTE] We must do it my brother... [B][I]For SCIENCE!!![/I][/B] [editline]09:50PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Pixelbanana;17046074]But you would STILL die in the process.[/QUOTE] But it would be [B][I]For SCIENCE!!![/I][/B]
[QUOTE=Minorkos;17026647][IMG]http://www.emovietalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/the_prestige.jpg[/IMG] Hmm[/QUOTE] Fuck yeah, Let's build a teleportation/cloning device out of iron nails and plywood!! On a more serious note, if you could write the information of a single human cell as 1mb (Which I doubt is possible) You would need over 6.75 million terabytes of space. FOR EACH PERSON. Not even going into the fact that we don't know how to reconstruct something with said information. Also, ITT: 8TH graders discuss transporting information of every cell in a human millions of trillions of lightyears as if they knew what they were talking about.
What happens when that data is corrupted? You could end up like without a dick.
[QUOTE=winsanity;17057940]What happens when that data is corrupted? You could end up like without a dick.[/QUOTE] Better yet, you could have the data edited, giving you a bigger dick.
[QUOTE=Freaks32;17058010]Better yet, you could have the data edited, giving you a bigger dick.[/QUOTE] Ohh shit, I'm running for president, taking the whole budget from the military, healthcare, minorities, and education and putting it all in work on teleportation.
[QUOTE=lemon_lover;17057474]Fuck yeah, Let's build a teleportation/cloning device out of iron nails and plywood!! On a more serious note, if you could write the information of a single human cell as 1mb (Which I doubt is possible) You would need over 6.75 million terabytes of space. FOR EACH PERSON. Not even going into the fact that we don't know how to reconstruct something with said information. Also, ITT: 8TH graders discuss transporting information of every cell in a human millions of trillions of lightyears as if they knew what they were talking about.[/QUOTE] Dur hows bout dems organic compootors? :downs:
The thing is, even if we theoretically managed to invent teleportation based on the OP, we wouldn't know for sure if anyone was dying in the process. Since the original body would be deconstructed, there'd be no way to ask it, and the person who comes out of the process would feel like he were alive all along.
[QUOTE=aVoN;17045775]That's a Fry-Hole/Hawkin-Hole, right?[/QUOTE] Nah, a Fry/Hawking-Hole is the rip in space time that appears when something doesn't happen that was supposed to happen (like Fry not falling in the Hawking Chamber when he should have). The green ball is the aptly (if unoriginally) named 'time sphere'.
It's a Fry-Hole dammit.
[QUOTE=Pixelbanana;17046146]How the fuck do you teleport data.[/QUOTE] You can't really. You can observe spooky action at a distance, in which the spins of entangled particles are seen to collapse to a waveform at the [I]exact[/I] instant the other particle is observed. Unfortunately, information itself is still bound by relativistic limitations. But why do you need instantaneous teleportation? Wouldn't it be okay to go at 90% the speed of light?
[QUOTE=Zezibesh;17048501]Quantum processors are gonna be here way before 100 years have gone past[/QUOTE] I doubt this. [editline]08:13AM[/editline] [QUOTE=implaying8;17056406]4.I totally overlooked that. I'm sure an intense EM field could help that.[/QUOTE] Neutrinos do not interact by electromagentism. Only by weak-nuclear-force.
[QUOTE=Uber|nooB;17057124]you can't attach stuff to neutrinos to send it somewhere[/QUOTE] As if you would [I]ever[/I] be able to convert yourself into a binary sequence, shoot it somewhere, and reconstruct there. Teleportation through SELF->DATA->COPY is unrealistic, albiet not totally impossible. One could argue my way is too, and it is, but aren't we all talking about the same thing? Science changes every once and a while. Who knows, even General Relativity may change... Celestrial bodies don't follow our math as it is. The moon is moving at 6mm/year away. The AU(AVG Sun-Earth distance) is intended to be a constant; It too is increasing at 7m/century. This isn't limited to planets/moons, Pioneer 10 is about 50KM shorter than it should be, as calculated with Newtanian and Einsteinian gravity theories. Something that even the greatest minds on earth can't even describe is doing this. Science is based on questioning even the most well known facts. People believed that the solar system orbited the earth, now they don't. People didn't believe in string theory, now it's widely accepted. I guess my point is, there is more to nature than we will ever "know". We just have to keep exploring and finding new things. That's what's great about today's world-New things are discovered every day, often breaking previous hypothesises and "best guesses".
Thinking about it, Doom 3 is only one of very many reasons I'm more than slightly wary about the concept of teleportation... Consider the second method, actual movement of particles and hopefully a maintained conciousness. What the christ does one see during transit?
[QUOTE=Vizx;17058353]The thing is, even if we theoretically managed to invent teleportation based on the OP, we wouldn't know for sure if anyone was dying in the process. Since the original body would be deconstructed, there'd be no way to ask it, and the person who comes out of the process would feel like he were alive all along.[/QUOTE] It could also be the soul doesn't exist, which then means it really is the exact same person who went trough it.
If we can find a source of negative energy (and if wormholes are discovered in space) then a negative energy field should be able to keep a worm hole open long enough to allow passage of a human being. Though neither of these phenomenon have been observed.
I still don't see the need of teleportation. Completely useless.
[QUOTE=Swebonny;17065565]I still don't see the need of teleportation. Completely useless.[/QUOTE] You better be trolling
Yeah I always thought the presumed process of teleportation would need to be thought out again as this way you're just cloning someone and then killing them.
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