• Teleportation Dilemma
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[img]http://blog.martincrownover.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/tf2_engineer_closeup.jpg[/img] Damn naysayers, sappin our hopes for the future.
Here's one theory to bust why we can't have magical devices that control time and why it's dumb in fiction: Let's say the impossible happens, and someone manages to create a stopwatch that stops time. Now, let's say that it enables the user to move and breathe normally, while everything else is stopped. Ok, when the guy exploring the frozen reality touches something, even the slightest, what's gonna happen? [sp]The sheer amount of force will repel anything at near infinite speed. Think about it: If you even had the ability to move at normal speed while everything else is slowed down (move really quickly, that is), your actions would have much more velocity behind them. Slapping someone could tear away all tissue on their cheek. Now imagine when time STOPS. You are, in theory, infinitely fast. Your footsteps would tear massive holes in the ground beneath you, and a slap would DISINTEGRATE a person's head.[/sp] Now, this theory holds no water whatsoever in any serious scientific matter, but I thought it was interesting, seeing how many fictions have had time-stopping things (like Heroes).
[QUOTE=TrueWolF;17066687][img]http://blog.martincrownover.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/tf2_engineer_closeup.jpg[/img] Damn naysayers, sappin our hopes for the future.[/QUOTE] Nice. If the soul does exist: Who's to say you don't follow your body, and reenter it? If it doesn't: Who's to say that you don't die? Teleportation is just one big unknown. You can't say much about what it'll feel like, since no one has felt it. The best method would be organic teleportation, by your mind, like Q. But that's absurd. People can't even talk with their minds or pick stuff up.
So this is like an Advanced Duplicator :D
[QUOTE=implaying8;17062659]As if you would [I]ever[/I] be able to convert yourself into a binary sequence, shoot it somewhere, and reconstruct there. Teleportation through SELF->DATA->COPY is unrealistic, albiet not totally impossible. [/QUOTE] Yes, I also really doubt that - only if it becomes possible - teleportation will work this way. I only can think about wormholes to be a good solution. [QUOTE=implaying8;17062659](...)Who knows, even General Relativity may change... Celestrial bodies don't follow our math as it is. The moon is moving at 6mm/year away. The AU(AVG Sun-Earth distance) is intended to be a constant; It too is increasing at 7m/century.[/QUOTE] Energy loss due to fraction and gravity-waves (second one is not really that much) causes orbits to decrease. [QUOTE=implaying8;17062659]This isn't limited to planets/moons, Pioneer 10 is about 50KM shorter than it should be, as calculated with Newtanian and Einsteinian gravity theories. Something that even the greatest minds on earth can't even describe is doing this. Science is based on questioning even the most well known facts.[/QUOTE] The problem are multi-body-coupling and also as mentioned before fraction. This is not a trivial problem. There have been calculations made to fire sattelites and space probes by using gravitational slingshots. All the interactions make calculations so damn hard that doing them takes weeks or months on supercomputers. [QUOTE=implaying8;17062659]I guess my point is, there is more to nature than we will ever "know". We just have to keep exploring and finding new things. .[/QUOTE] That's nearly always right. As deeper you look, as more new questions you will find.
[QUOTE=JohnEdwards;17026200]they have been able to teletport a grain of salt in finland .001 inches, living things I doubt we will get it that far[/QUOTE] Who the fuck is they
[QUOTE=Pixelbanana;17026171] [u]This is why teleportation is practically impossible.[/u][/QUOTE] What you state is very possible. We just need to wait until technology progresses.
[QUOTE=Pixelbanana;17026171][u]This is how teleportation would hypothetically work.[/u][/QUOTE] That's your opinion.
I read something where they like transferred you to a different plane of existance where time moves faster than in this universe - Then you could move to where you wanted to be in relation to this world, and transfer back. Because time was travelling faster, relative to this world you would move like a flash of lightning (ie. if someone on this world could see you, you would just be a blur because you were moving so fast). It's not exactly teleportation because there's still a slight delay, but it's close enough. Although they might hit a problem in that time doesn't really exist in this dimension.
[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;17067942]I read something where they like transferred you to a different plane of existance where time moves faster than in this universe - Then you could move to where you wanted to be in relation to this world, and transfer back. Because time was travelling faster, relative to this world you would move like a flash of lightning (ie. if someone on this world could see you, you would just be a blur because you were moving so fast). It's not exactly teleportation because there's still a slight delay, but it's close enough. Although they might hit a problem in that time doesn't really exist in this dimension.[/QUOTE] Ah yeah sounds pretty solid. Although I wonder if they might have some trouble with that er..other dimension thingy. What with nobody having ever had any kind of evidence that anything like that exists or..I dunno say any even remotely realistic method for transferring [i]anything[/i] to it, let alone getting a human back in one piece. Other than that though, tight plan yo.
There are other universes, scientists have seemingly found a way to create one already.
now wait. wouldn't the teleportee know what death tastes like?
[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;17069632]There are other universes, scientists have seemingly found a way to create one already.[/QUOTE] This is only a hypothesis yet. There are no evidences for different universes yet, but it's propable. I even do believe it. But still, no evidences yet.
[QUOTE=Pixelbanana;17026171][u]This is how teleportation would hypothetically work.[/u] ... [u]This is why teleportation is practically impossible.[/u] [/QUOTE] Do you know the difference between "Hypthetically" and "Practically" ?
We need a secret underground research lab located in New Mexico. And a mute physicist with a crowbar who graduated from MIT.
[QUOTE=:smug:;17065638]You better be trolling[/QUOTE] No actually not. Ok, let's say scientists really get this working. You would still need shit ton of time for the computer to analyze you, send you over and recreate you. Probably slower than walking/driving/flying to the place you want to go too. Also, I think some people are missing the point that teleportation doesn't magically transfer you to any place you want in 1 sec. You are still limited by the speed of light and all the shit.
guys seriously all we need to do is use xen as sort of a dimensional slingshot if the combine knew what we are doing with entanglement oh listen to me i sound like a post-doc. [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/d5/HalfLife2_JudithMossman.jpg/180px-HalfLife2_JudithMossman.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=:smug:;17027354]Nothing is impossible.[/QUOTE] Eat your own head, without the use of clones or time travel.
This reminded me of [img]http://www.battleshippretension.com/attachments/Image/fly_poster.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=PoloXGS;17073495]Eat your own head, without the use of clones or time travel.[/QUOTE] Define "eat".
We need a mass relay.
[QUOTE=JohnEdwards;17026200]they have been able to teletport a grain of salt in finland .001 inches, living things I doubt we will get it that far[/QUOTE] Link please.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;17039539]As for computers, every year a new technology is revealed. Quantum computing is on the brink, 20 years from now, it will be a likely reality. If Quantum computers exist, the data storage problem is gone. The rest of it.. that's still an issue.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.popsci.com/scitech/article/2009-06/first-solid-state-quantum-computer-processor-created[/url] :science:
[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;17067942]I read something where they like transferred you to a different plane of existance where time moves faster than in this universe - Then you could move to where you wanted to be in relation to this world, and transfer back. Because time was travelling faster, relative to this world you would move like a flash of lightning (ie. if someone on this world could see you, you would just be a blur because you were moving so fast). It's not exactly teleportation because there's still a slight delay, but it's close enough. Although they might hit a problem in that time doesn't really exist in this dimension.[/QUOTE] So we'd have to invent quantum leaps before we can even consider teleportation, and even then it's imperfect. Holy shit.
[QUOTE=Beau_Chaotica;17073724]Define "eat".[/QUOTE] consume via your facehole
OK I'm making a thread called "Why the sky will never be purple"
We'll be able to do it someday. You guys that say it is impossible are going to be the guys that are made fun of 'cause you say it will never happen. Like saying that the Earth is flat.
[QUOTE=aVoN;17027272]No computer ever will be able. One cube of candy has around 10^23 atoms (a one followed by 23 zeroes) with even more electrons. Taking the current position and velocity (or in quantum manner: the wavefunction) leads to enormous amounts of data - Just for such a cube of candy. This is totally inpracticable.[/QUOTE] [URL=http://img266.imageshack.us/i/candyq.jpg/][IMG]http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/9728/candyq.jpg[/IMG][/URL] This image of candy is 640x420 pixels. That's 268,800. The image is 24-bit, 24*268,800 is 6,451,200. With 8 bits in a byte that makes it 806,400 bytes. 1024 bytes in a kilobyte, 787.5 kilobytes, so lets just say that the image should be 788kB. But, with JPEG compression at 100% quality, the image is only 296kB, 38% of the original size. 38% of 10^23 is 3.8E22, the difference is 6.2E22!
[QUOTE=abcpea;17080083][URL=http://img266.imageshack.us/i/candyq.jpg/][IMG]http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/9728/candyq.jpg[/IMG][/URL] This image of candy is 640x420 pixels. That's 268,800. The image is 24-bit, 24*268,800 is 6,451,200. With 8 bits in a byte that makes it 806,400 bytes. 1024 bytes in a kilobyte, 787.5 kilobytes, so lets just say that the image should be 788kB. But, with JPEG compression at 100% quality, the image is only 296kB, 38% of the original size. 38% of 10^23 is 3.8E22, the difference is 6.2E22![/QUOTE] It's still 3.8 [b]to the power of 22[/b] this is a stupidly stupidly huge number. Let's put it this way, say this tiny cube of candy has 1E22 atoms (lower than your compression ratio.) The number of grains of sand on the entirety of the earth is estimated as somewhere in between 10^20 to 10^24 (hilariously large margin of error, basically it could be between 10^20 or 10,000 times that amount.) Teleporting a tiny cube of candy would be equivalent to recording the size, type, energy, momentum and exact position, to the nearest millionth of a millimetre of EVERY SINGLE grain of sand on the earth, then placing every single one on another earth in EXACTLY the same location to the nearest millionth of a millimetre, so every single grain of sand sits exactly as it did before next to it's neighbours. And that's just one cube of candy, try an entire body, that's like taking 10,000 earths and moving every single grain of sand on every one. Compress that by 80% and you still have to move 8000 earths!
Quantum Computing will sort this, say you have a quantum computer with 100 qubits. That computer can be in 2^100 states simultaneously or 1267650600228229401496703205376 states simultaneously. If you have a clock speed of 3ghz or 3 billion cycles a second that means you can preform 3.802951800684688204490109616128e+39 separate calculations per second. At least that's how I think it works :/ Correct me if I'm wrong. Anyway this relates to teleportation because quantum computing gives us the necessary computing power to be able to do teleportation. Only problem now is figuring out how to do it.
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