• Did Nostradamus Really Predict The Future?
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[QUOTE=Chrille;33800169]I guess that since the History Channel has done several documentaries on aliens building the pyramids, it must be true. [url]http://www.snopes.com/rumors/nostradamus.asp[/url][/QUOTE] [img]http://chzmemebase.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/alienssquare.jpg[/img] Pretty much all of the History Channel.
Aside from using horribly generic terms, for just about every thing Nostradamus said, he also said elsewhere that the opposite would happen.
Had he added some kind of date, maybe it'd seem like he had predicted something. Instead, he wrote a bunch of vague writings that could apply to a multitude of disasters, and quite a lot of them. A very small portion have predicted anything. Fuck everyone else has already said this. For the most part, a lot of the quotes aren't even what he originally wrote, many have been changed through translation errors and fabrication.
"In the City of God there will be a great thunder, Nuclear weapon, Jerusalem Two brothers torn apart by Chaos, Israels and Palestine while the fortress endures, the great leader will succumb", While the city remains, The leader of israel steps down The third big war will begin when the big city is burning" Iran starts world war three.
[QUOTE=deaded38;33802617]It doesn't matter what percentage of them were garbage, he still predicted the other ten percent with that logic. And no, it's not "mysticism". Obviously if it was, none of it would have came true.[/QUOTE] if you're just randomly guessing things you'll still be right some of the time if you make enough guesses predicting the future is impossible because there is no such thing as magic. [editline]19th December 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=TheDestroyerOfall;33808338]"In the City of God there will be a great thunder, Nuclear weapon, Jerusalem Two brothers torn apart by Chaos, Israels and Palestine while the fortress endures, the great leader will succumb", While the city remains, The leader of israel steps down The third big war will begin when the big city is burning" Iran starts world war three.[/QUOTE] it's already been shown that that passage was made up: [url]http://urbanlegends.about.com/cs/historical/a/nostradamus_2.htm[/url] [editline]19th December 2011[/editline] why did you post this in the debate subforum when you're clearly not actually interested in a debate?
how does the first one predict the French Revolution? the first two lines don't really suggest a revolution, the thing about "princes and lord held captive in prisons" could be applied to most revolutions, and "headless" clearly doesn't make any sense in that context if it's supposed to mean the guillotine
Answering this question really only requires placing the best explanations in a logical comparison: A) Nostradamus possessed some sort of supernatural way of receiving cryptic visions of the future. B) Nostradamus made some generalized predictions about the future that, coincidentally, happened to fit events that occurred at later times. Logic cannot specifically say which one of these is true but it can tell us which one is more likely. Since coincidences happen all the time, it would reason to stand that B is the most likely explanation.
This doesn't belong in this section, it belongs in Fast Threads. It's too biased.
The majority of these predictions are pretty much invalid in the discussion of his powers of prediction, seeing as people have been changing and downright fabricating them to their hearts content for the past ~500 years :v:
Saying that the 9/11 predictions or even any of these predictions are true is like saying this [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKkEq0n6gPY[/media] is true
No. People will fit his words to events that occur or are bound to happen at some point. It's called retroactive clairvoyance.Everything he said is vague enough to be applied to all sorts of events.
Very vague and easy to interpret in many different ways. [quote] 1. "From the enslaved populace, songs, Chants and demands While princes and lords are held captive in prisons. These will in the future by headless idiots Be received as divine prayers" - This quote is a reference to the French Revolution. [/quote] Enslaved populace revolting isn't very specific, is it? I could predict that too sometime in the future and be right several hundred times over 50 years. [quote] 2. "In the City of God there will be a great thunder, Two brothers torn apart by Chaos, while the fortress endures, the great leader will succumb", The third big war will begin when the big city is burning" - This quote references 9/11. [/quote] Two brothers torn apart is again very vague. In fact when he says city of God I think of Rome (and the Vatican), and the two brothers Romulus and Remus. In fact I'd imagine that's what inspired him. Also there was no 3rd World War after 9/11. [quote] 3. Out of the deepest part of the west of Europe, From poor people a young child shall be born, Who with his tongue shall seduce many people, His fame shall increase in the Eastern Kingdom. He shall come to tyrannize the land. He shall raise up a hatred that had long been dormant. The child of Germany observes no law. Cries, and tears, fire, blood, and battle. A captain of Germany shall come to yield himself by false hope, So that his revolt shall cause great bloodshed. Beasts wild with hunger will cross the rivers The greater part of the battlefield will be against Hister. Near the Rhine from the Austrian mountains Will be born a great man of the people, come too late. A man who will defend Poland and Hungary And whose fate will never be certain. - This text is a reference to Hitler and World War 2. [/quote] Unless I'm mistaken, Hitler's family wasn't poor (also "Young Child"? Yeah no shit). "His fame shall increase in the Eastern Kingdom", which is a nope, and if it's referring to his career in WW1, Hitler was stationed on the Western front, not Eastern. Tyrants using a hatred for something has happened so many times in history, and will happen again. Too vague a prediction. Also Hitler was Austrian, not German, so child of Germany is incorrect. "A captain of Germany" probably isn't referring to anything in particular, but if it's referring to his career in WW1, Hitler never was captain. "The greater part of the battlefield will be against Hitler" Well again no shit, every single dictator and superpower ever has almost always had the majority against it. The last paragraph of that is quite wrong. Unless I am mistaken, the Rhine is nowhere near Braunau am Inn (Hitler's birthtown), "great man of the people" depends since he was really good at rallying people but also committed genocide. Also he definitely did not defend Poland. No, I really don't think he predicted the future, just intelligent guesses (he wasn't dumb) based on experience and past history. Anyone with a bit of brain can make a prediction and have it come true one day (given enough time pretty much everything that can happen will happen).
No, it's kind of phenomenal the patterns we can identify that don't actually exist.
Um, I don't think Germany was called Germany when Nostradamus was alive.
If Nostradamus knew about 9/11 why didn't he just say what was going to happen? Why be so vague?
As has already been stated, he made vague predictions which are interpreted in different ways by different people living in different ages. For a much better understanding of the psychology behind this, have a read of this: [url]http://youarenotsosmart.com/2010/09/11/the-texas-sharpshooter-fallacy/[/url] This guy writes some very good articles. tl:dr As a survival mechanism, we see patterns in everything (like tigers in long grass). Which is also why we see God in tortillas and the future in Nostradamus' writings.
An obscure idea and construct with the remenands of many a people's thoughts expressed as a reaction to ones stupid idea, all composed of 1's and 0's will soon vanish into nonexistence.
Holy crap I was right!
[QUOTE=Death_God;33809750][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKkEq0n6gPY[/media][/QUOTE] It's surprising how much 9/11 was hinted at before it actually happened. In the Matrix, Neo's drivers licence expires 9/11/2001. In Deus Ex, the Twin towers are missing from the backdrop. That's a story for another thread, though. I've never heard any of these Nostradamus prophecies, and both sides of the argument make some good points, but I don't think this argument will ever come to an end. You can't really prove it either way, you can just look at it and think for yourself.
[QUOTE=Shifty Pete;33831216]It's surprising how much 9/11 was hinted at before it actually happened. In the Matrix, Neo's drivers licence expires 9/11/2001. In Deus Ex, the Twin towers are missing from the backdrop. That's a story for another thread, though. I've never heard any of these Nostradamus prophecies, and both sides of the argument make some good points, but I don't think this argument will ever come to an end. You can't really prove it either way, you can just look at it and think for yourself.[/QUOTE] I'm sure if we scoured the entirety of media for references to a different date we'd get a few results too. Coincidence.
[QUOTE=Negrul1;33831625]I'm sure if we scoured the entirety of media for references to a different date we'd get a few results too. Coincidence.[/QUOTE] Go ahead and do it, prove me wrong.
[QUOTE=Shifty Pete;33834104]Go ahead and do it, prove me wrong.[/QUOTE] speaking of 9/11 predictions, what number do you call when there's an emergency?
hard-ass OP seems to forget that Nostradamus' predictions weren't in english. people could've interpreted the translation in any way that they wanted to, that doesn't mean that they were his exact words.
[QUOTE=Yumyumbublegum;33797234]His predictions are very vague, and with ~500 years to apply his predictions to major events a handful of them are going to be applicable.[/QUOTE] Not only that, but the shows that read them modify the shit out of them so much that they literally could be put to anything. The show's go so far as to say "Could Bush be the next anti-christ? or Obama?" and it's like, WHOA WHOA WHOA SLOW THE FUCK DOWN WHAT are you even saying?!?! "If not, who could this be in the future?" Well, obviously someone has to be called that, eventually someone's going to start WW3, so don't act smart when it's bound to happen likely anyways. "Hustler" changed to "Hitler" or something like that... literally, "When we change the letters, it makes Hitler" C'mon, that's a prediction? Really?
[QUOTE=deaded38;33802617]It doesn't matter what percentage of them were garbage, he still predicted the other ten percent with that logic. And no, it's not "mysticism". Obviously if it was, none of it would have came true.[/QUOTE] So if I would roll a die under a cup and then you would let me guess... 10 times what number the die shows, and if I'm wrong 90% of the time but get it correctly ONE SINGLE TIME, that would make me, by your definition, a prophet? He GUESSED it right, man Nostradamus said so much, of course some of the things he said "came true".
Can he tell the future? Depends on your definition. As said before, he was a very intelligent man and could probably tell what was going to happen from past events, as well as some speculation. On top of this, it took nearly 500 years for his supposed prediction of WW2 to happen. Chances are any "prediction" of the future will happen eventually.
He could have.. They seem somewhat accurate
[QUOTE=Scoot12;33839411]He could have.. They seem somewhat accurate[/QUOTE] No they are not. They are all extremely vague and could be fit to all sorts of different events that will happen at some point. The 2nd one is fake.
Dumb OP of the Year nominee right here.
[QUOTE=The Kakistocrat;33834211]speaking of 9/11 predictions, what number do you call when there's an emergency?[/QUOTE] 999, and the person you quoted 000, assuming the flag is accurate
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