Muslims and Westerners: The Psychological Differences - General

I'm still mulling this over, I'm not quite confident I can form an opinion on this without contradicting myself yet. Still, a fascinating read.

[QUOTE=ThePuska;23468008]It's wrong, yet you agree with it? If you read the article, it says nothing about beliefs and deities. It's specifically talking about the Muslim society and how it differs from the Western one.[/QUOTE] No, it's the society imposed by the parents. The same shit can happen in western cultures, it's not the culture that does it, it's how the parents impose society and shit on people. for example "everyones out to get you, you get them first" you're breeding a kid who will beat the shit outta someone and ask questions later and genreally be a chav. "Listen to both sides of the argument, form your own educated opinion and then judge accordingly to what evidence is available" you just bred someone who will get along with people and not be a bastard. Lo and behold no mention of anything in the article there and the problem has been solved. Using muslim culture as a sapegoat is fucking pathetic. [I]That[/I] is why I disagree, they may have the same basic idea as what i'm saying, but this article is brutally xenophobic and islamaphobic.

Bravehat, what about those riots in Britain? It's happening just because of their religion, or more exactly because of the free speach about their religion. If they're giving threats I'm going to be damn xenophobic of them.

What fucking riots? I live in Britain, there's no riots. And rallies are a basic right given to everyone in this country, they aren't violent or criminal so you're still not making the point you want.

[quote] their parents often have already chosen their future wives or husbands.[/quote] That's fucking bullshit. In Islam, you aren't forced into marriage, but rather your parents find a suitable woman, and you can decide whether to marry her or not. Or, you find a suitable woman, and your parents can approve.

[QUOTE=bravehat;23468887]What fucking riots? I live in Britain, there's no riots. And rallies are a basic right given to everyone in this country, they aren't violent or criminal so you're still not making the point you want.[/QUOTE] This [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocU5x_03MDM&feature=related]here[/url]. I'm not living in Britain So I wouldn't know how big this was. :v: Though that, and the general response to that "let's draw Muhammed day" tells me they're mostly not nice people. [i]Mostly[/i], since the video also shows those muslims who are more respecting of western culture. But I generally dislike religion anyway, since it just gives extremists a shield to hide behind, so they aren't treated like they should be. So, uhh, I guess I'm saying that muslim extremists are more extreme (bombings, threats, murders)?

This shit is racist trough and trough. Edit: They're talking how its childish when muslims weren't quite content with the drawings of muhammed. Lets see what happens when I draw Jesus sucking horsecock and put it on a magazine. Thats probably how bad of a insult that was to the muslims. Or even worse.

[QUOTE=Janizaurd;23469877]This [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocU5x_03MDM&feature=related]here[/url]. I'm not living in Britain So I wouldn't know how big this was. :v: Though that, and the general response to that "let's draw Muhammed day" tells me they're mostly not nice people. [i]Mostly[/i], since the video also shows those muslims who are more respecting of western culture. But I generally dislike religion anyway, since it just gives extremists a shield to hide behind, so they aren't treated like they should be. So, uhh, I guess I'm saying that muslim extremists are more extreme (bombings, threats, muredrs)?[/QUOTE] There are groups like that. In fact one. They are hated by every single person I've ever spoke to and I personally will fire bomb anyone who tries to pull some retarded shit like that, for he simple reason they are a terrorist organisation, ran by a terrorist, and promote terrorism. Every muslim I've ever met has been incredibly civil and has actually took the piss out of their own religion as well, they fit in fine, don't threaten you with death and a jihad every time you say, "gotta say man those muslims right there are dicks" they've usually agreed. Also they tried to attack glasgow airport, a guy kicked him so hard in the bollocks he tore a ligament, he was hailed as a national hero, frankly he's just a bawbag who was there at the time but whatever :v: [url]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/the-pride-of-scotland-haveago-hero-smeaton-reveals-his-bootnbanjo-antiterrorism-tactics-456373.html[/url] [editline]05:35PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Falchion;23470030]This shit is racist trough and trough. Edit: They're talking how its childish when muslims weren't quite content with the drawings of muhammed. Lets see what happens when I draw Jesus sucking horsecock and put it on a magazine. Thats probably how bad of a insult that was to the muslims. Or even worse.[/QUOTE] You're implying anyone cares though, it isn't against christianity to draw jesus, it is in islam. Either way you don't fucking kill someone over it.

Oh, well then, it seems the groups using force are just more noticed then, since the media will obviously pay attention to them. [QUOTE=Falchion;23470030]They're talking how its childish when muslims weren't quite content with the drawings of muhammed. Lets see what happens when I draw Jesus sucking horsecock and put it on a magazine. Thats probably how bad of a insult that was to the muslims. Or even worse.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure the artist wouldn't get shot though. That's what free speech is, the ability to express yourself, without being punsihed/killed for your thoughts. As long as the thoughts aren't about killing someone, or something like that. And I'm pretty sure there are drawings that are pretty close to that.

[QUOTE=Janizaurd;23469877]This [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocU5x_03MDM&feature=related]here[/url]. I'm not living in Britain So I wouldn't know how big this was. :v: Though that, and the general response to that "let's draw Muhammed day" tells me they're mostly not nice people. [i]Mostly[/i], since the video also shows those muslims who are more respecting of western culture. But I generally dislike religion anyway, since it just gives extremists a shield to hide behind, so they aren't treated like they should be. So, uhh, I guess I'm saying that muslim extremists are more extreme (bombings, threats, murders)?[/QUOTE] The only threat to the UK is from a growing radical right-wing white extremists brigade who wish to rid this country of everyone who isn't English, which genetically speaking is every one of us. The RIA, an Irish terrorist organisation bombed, killed, tortured and caused terror in the 80's. They were white and catholic. Anyone who tells you that one race/religion/country has more violent/dangerous people than anyone else is a fool and a liar. Not only is that video taken out of context, it's practically sickening. It takes a few select cases of criminal Muslims and applies them to a whole. Yes, there are radical Muslims who will hurt women for not wearing a veil... but for there to be a growing threat to the UK, or the world, from these men taking over and becoming dominant? And that our governments are powerless to stop them? It's so much [B][U]fear mongering bullshit[/U][/B]. There have been NO riots, there have been NO big public outcries because those who hate Muslims are disgusting racists who want to find any excuse to start a riot to 'defend' their 'country'.

"MOST MUSLIMS ACT LIKE TERRORIST AND THEYRE AGRESSIVE, MY SOURCES ARE FROM VIDEOS AND THE MEDIA EVEN THOUGH I NEVER MET ONE IN REAL LIFE" I read some of the article and it's just filled with generalizations.

[QUOTE=CoolKingKaso;23471002]"MOST MUSLIMS ACT LIKE TERRORIST AND THEYRE AGRESSIVE, MY SOURCES ARE FROM VIDEOS AND THE MEDIA EVEN THOUGH I NEVER MET ONE IN REAL LIFE"[/QUOTE] Pretty much sounds like everyone who distrusts Muslims.

It's dickheads like the muhamed drawer that makes Denmark look like a racist country even tho 10% of the population here is from middle east. I don't really see a problem with muslims, they brought alot of great stuff to our country. Like being able to go down at the corner and buy a shawarma at 2am on a sunday night.

This article is ridiculously stupid - I don't have the time to explain it in detail, but the way he treats all muslims as one entity (because christians in italy, the congo and syria act the same) is very uninformed. He does not seem to have had very many experiences with "muslims" at all, even though he claims to have them in his article. Then he goes on to say that a story like "the Emperor's new clothes" couldn't be written in a muslim country. This is an opinion he would not hold had he actually read some stories from there, like Mulla Nasreddin. Integration will take a few generations, of course. Nobody thinks it won't. But, it's a two-way process, and it will only take longer if people act like this. At worse, it will end like the "jewish problem" of the Middle Ages.

It's just extremist muslims that terrorizes. Though im not really religious, just a bit christian.

It's just extremists who cause problems with anything, not just muslims or religion.

The article is wrong. That's describing the culture in much of the Middle East vs the West, as opposed to Muslims vs. Everyone else. Besides, [quote]In the Muslim culture, aggressive behavior, especially threats, are generally seen to be accepted, and even expected as a way of handling conflicts and social discrepancies. If a Muslim does not respond in a threatening way to insults or social irritation, he, not "she" (Muslim women are, mostly, expected to be humble and to not show power) is seen as weak, as someone who cannot be depended upon and loses face.[/quote] could easily be describing trailer trash [editline]11:51AM[/editline] [QUOTE=ThePuska;23467640]The problem is that we're not talking about an individual case. We're talking about [i]correlation[/i] drawn from the statistics of at least one country, Denmark. I've also seen similar figures from Norway but I really can't be arsed to dig them up. If there's correlation, there's some kind of a link between the two things. And I'm sure that with some human ingenuity, it can be explained what that link is. In fact, some people are trying to explain it. What I'm implying is not that they're right. What I'm implying is that if you think that those people are bigots and wrong, please explain not why they're bigots, but why they're wrong.[/QUOTE] [img]http://www.bg.ic.ac.uk/research/intro_to_wia/pics/lemons-accidents.jpg[/img] [editline]11:57AM[/editline] Oh one other thing [quote]If you had ever spent time in a Muslim community you experience this very clearly. You would find yourself constantly trying not to offend anyone and you’d treat everybody like a rotten egg. Jokes, irony and, especially, self-irony is as good as non-existent. It creates a superficial social environment where unhealthy hierarchies appear everywhere because nobody dares to, for instance, point out the weaknesses of childish men and make fun of the powerful. There is an old Danish fairytale about a little boy that points out the nakedness of the King; "He has no clothes on!!” embarrassing the proud King wearing his non-existent magic clothes, which are only visible to "good people" (actually, the King was just naked - because the tailor had cheated him!). Such a story could never have been written in a Muslim culture.[/quote] [quote]The King's New Turban Turkey Of old time there was a great king. One day a man came before him and said, "My king, I shall weave a turban such that one born in wedlock will see it, while the bastard will see it not." The king marveled and ordered that that weaver should weave that turban; and the weaver received an allowance from the king and tarried a long while. One day he folded up this side and that side of a paper and brought it and laid it before the king and said, "Oh king, I have woven that turban." So the king opened the paper and saw that there was nothing; and all the viziers and nobles who stood there looked on the paper and saw nothing. Then the king said in his heart, "Do you see? I am then a bastard"; and he was sad. And he thought, "Now, the remedy is this, that I say it is a goodly turban and admire it, else will I be put to shame before the folk." And he said, "Blessed by God! Oh master, it is a goodly turban, I like it much." Then that weaver youth said, "Oh king, let them bring a cap that I may wind the turban for the king." They brought a cap, and the weaver youth laid that paper before him and moved his hands as though he wound the turban, and he put it on the king's head. All the nobles who were standing there said, "Blessed be it! Oh king, how fair, how beautiful a turban!" and they applauded it much. Then the king rose and went with two viziers into a private room and said, "Oh viziers, I am then a bastard; I see not the turban." The viziers said, "Oh king, we too see it not." At length they knew of a surety that the turban had not existence, and that that weaver had thus played a trick for the sake of money.[/quote] [quote]The History of the Forty Vezirs is the translation of a manuscript prepared apparently in the early seventeenth century, but based on much older stories, similar in style and function to those found in the 1001 Nights.[/quote] Turkey's a Muslim country.

[QUOTE=bravehat;23467108]I've known a couple of Muslim guys at school, they were pretty much westerners with a different religion, this article just looks like thinly veiled xenophobia to me. Be fucked if I care either way everyone can do as they please until it encroaches on another's right to do as they please. EDIT: Actually let me fix this. This article is Xenophobic. They completely neglect to mention that without the muslim world arithmetic would be no where near as advanced as it is, they advanced a lot of scientific fields a thousand years back between the 8th - 13th centuries. Fuck the Shiites even coined the saying "The ink of the scholar is more holy than the blood of martyrs" at that time. So this whole muslim hate thing should really fucking die.[/QUOTE] It doesn't strike me at all as being xenophobic. In fact, these days you only need to mention the word 'Muslim' and you are being xenophobic. All the author of the article is doing stating the differences that he has observed. He hasn't in anyway stated that Muslims are inferior because of it, ridiculed them or incited any form of hate against them. People are becoming too PC these days - to the point where you can't differentiate between people without being racist/xenophobic. If you can find me a quote in the article that is clearly hateful, then I will happily retract my statement.

[QUOTE=David29;23514242]It doesn't strike me at all as being xenophobic. In fact, these days you only need to mention the word 'Muslim' and you are being xenophobic. All the author of the article is doing stating the differences that he has observed. He hasn't in anyway stated that Muslims are inferior because of it, ridiculed them or incited any form of hate against them. People are becoming too PC these days - to the point where you can't differentiate between people without being racist/xenophobic. If you can find me a quote in the article that is clearly hateful, then I will happily retract my statement.[/QUOTE] [quote]If integration just consists of learning the language and finding a job, it is not so difficult. But if integration also includes developing mental habits of equally respecting non-Muslims it is simply impossible for most Muslims. They see themselves as special, will always try to live together, create their own Muslim/Islamic parallel societies, feel separated and have less respect towards non-Muslims. True integration doesn’t have to, necessarily, imply religious conversion. However, for Muslims it certainly presupposes cultural conversion. Clearly, very few Muslims have the will, social freedom and strength of personality to go through such a psychologically demanding process.[/quote] .

[QUOTE=David29;23514242]It doesn't strike me at all as being xenophobic. In fact, these days you only need to mention the word 'Muslim' and you are being xenophobic. All the author of the article is doing stating the differences that he has observed. He hasn't in anyway stated that Muslims are inferior because of it, ridiculed them or incited any form of hate against them. People are becoming too PC these days - to the point where you can't differentiate between people without being racist/xenophobic. If you can find me a quote in the article that is clearly hateful, then I will happily retract my statement.[/QUOTE] Dude, he's not comparing accurately though. THAT'S WHY THIS IS XENOPHOBIC!!! These people are criminals who happen to be muslim, not criminals BECAUSE they are muslim, Corellation doesn't imply causation. You know what just read all my posts in this thread cause I can't be arsed arguing with someone else who assumes I'm trying to be PC.

I don't see the problem with muslims,hating them just because some of them did something wrong is just pure stupidity.

I'm from Iran, boo! Fear me! :ghost: [sp]I'm not a religious numbnut though.[/sp]

[QUOTE=CommanderPT;23514470]I'm from Iran, boo! Fear me! :ghost:[/QUOTE] Shouldn't you be getting stoned to death for going on such a heathenish website as FP?

[QUOTE=CommanderPT;23514470]I'm from Iran, boo! Fear me! :ghost: [sp]I'm not a religious numbnut though.[/sp][/QUOTE] Quickly go and support the metal underground they need your help!! :byodood:

[QUOTE=Splurgy;23514255].[/QUOTE] Ok, fair enough.

Article is stupid. My parents expect more of me than they did ladt yerlar, and while I have freedom, I have a shitload more responsibility.

This research doesn't seem as [sp] XENOPHOBICCCCCC![/sp] to me as just incorrect. If thats what his research has found, thats what he's found, right or wrong. it would be more anti-muslim to then say, oh yeah, they're all -racism here- because of it, which he hasn't done.

Being anti muslim isn't just calling them ragheads and this shit ain't research, it's biased opinion. The article is blatantly islamaphobic, all it was is a massive circle wank over being danish and how muslims are sub par to the danes and other western societies, totally neglecting the golden age of islam between the 8th and 13th centuries where Baghdad was the technological and cultural capital of the world, they even embraced secularism and the phrase “The ink of the scholar is more sacred than the blood of the martyr” is a quote attributed to the prophet Muhammed.

I think this article says more about Holland than Islam.

I saw mainly mention of the danes and danish culture being superior because of the fable of the naked king v:v:v