Facepunch Review Discussion: We have absolutely nothing yet edition - General

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;45846157]How about a system where it tells you how much the game is worth? Like a really good $60 game would be worth $60 A really mediocre $60 game would be worth $20-$30[/QUOTE] imo that's pretty flawed, there are very few games that are worth $60 for what is basically a weeks entertainment, a months tops. You'd just end up with a lot of "yeh this game is really really good, but that's to much money, so buy it form the piratebay"

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;45846694]I'll start working on a review today when I'm back at home[/QUOTE] We don't write 1man reviews, that's the whole point. We get several people to play a game, write a small article, a lead writer organizes them and writes a TL;DR merged version, and the editor publishes it. Tomorrow when the strawpoll votes are done we'll pick one of the highest voted games and write a test review, possibly with a runner-up review to satisfy everyone. [editline]30th August 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;45846387]How are review submissions handled, anyway?[/QUOTE] Google doc with reviewers having access to edition. You dump your article on there and the lead writer puts it all together.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;45846777]We don't write 1man reviews, that's the whole point. We get several people to play a game, write a small article, a lead writer organizes them and writes a TL;DR merged version, and the editor publishes it. Tomorrow when the strawpoll votes are done we'll pick one of the highest voted games and write a test review, possibly with a runner-up review to satisfy everyone.[/QUOTE] Good to know, that'll work out better in the long run I think.

[url]http://steamcommunity.com/groups/FPReview[/url] Read the description of the group on how to get in.

If you want a number system do a flat 1,2,3,4 system 1 - you will get cancer if you play this game 2 - its pretty awful. only buy if you are a fan of (insert something related/relevant) 3 - grab it on sale if you might like the idea 4 - why are you still reading this review when you could be playing this game? Don't have a middle ground if you use numbers. Force people to be in favor of, or against, buying a title.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;45846777]We don't write 1man reviews, that's the whole point. We get several people to play a game, write a small article, a lead writer organizes them and writes a TL;DR merged version, and the editor publishes it. Tomorrow when the strawpoll votes are done we'll pick one of the highest voted games and write a test review, possibly with a runner-up review to satisfy everyone. [editline]30th August 2014[/editline] Google doc with reviewers having access to edition. You dump your article on there and the lead writer puts it all together.[/QUOTE]I still think it needs to be peer-reviewed before going up, as in the other writers get to look it over and make some remarks of their own about the article itself, not the game.

All reviews are to be peer-reviewed. Even opinion pieces.

Honest question: What if the peers are a bunch of idiots with no experience in journalism?

[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;45846884]Honest question: What if the peers are a bunch of idiots with no experience in journalism?[/QUOTE] Then we will be on a equal playing field in the review market.

Like most of us? Until we can get a reliable editor who has journalistic experience or actually has a journalism degree. We can only get so far.

We all just need to read each other's work, discuss it critically and fairly and be okay with different opinions. Criticism should be on the writing, not the opinion.

Yeah. As well, reviewers within an article should make no mentions of each other or have knowledge of what the others are writing. Just knowing that another writer is giving the game a particular review could influence what they write.

The style of review were starting with makes me think a few different things. They'll have to be fairly succinct articles if anyone is going to read 3 of them back to back, and we should find a way to present that style in a visually appealing way.

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;45847017]Yeah. As well, reviewers within an article should make no mentions of each other or have knowledge of what the others are writing. Just knowing that another writer is giving the game a particular review could influence what they write.[/QUOTE] I don't agree with you on not having knowledge of what the others are writing. [editline]30th August 2014[/editline] But I like the first part.

I agree that went a group of 2-5 writers agree to write a review they should not talk to eachother about it. It avoids mudding the waters, so to speak.

I can offer to do some proofreading for the people doing reviews once I'm able to get stable internet within this week. I've done a lot of peer proofreading on a wide range of writing abilities from ESL Asian fobs to born and raised American Honor students in High School. I always try to keep the writer's original content to preserve their ideas and arguments, while offering new methods of writing to further express their ideas if they are unclear or could be misunderstood without reference. However, I don't have any professional editorial experience, and any proofreading is merely high school/college level. I can't really make things become better, but can assure something will be good for it's ideas.

I don't think we should expect professional quality from ourselves to start. We should just do our best and go from there. A pressure for professional quality may squash our creative drive at the start so we should try and work our way up to that level of quality

It is just about having fun and giving what the people actually want, and not stupid bullshit that we get nowadays.

[QUOTE=Dermock;45846889]Then we will be on a equal playing field in the review market.[/QUOTE] I would like to nominate this for competition in "Best posts of 2014" for the Zing Category. Also this sounds rad as fuck and i'd like to get involved and see if it's something i'd like to do.

I'd like to take part in this. I'm like currently taking a bunch of journalism classes in college and maybe this would be a good experience to try out. And for ratings of games since it's Facepunch, we should just use the icons we have for rating posts. Like you can assign a game multiple ratings like if the game is funny and good, it'll have a funny rating and winner rating. It'll incorporate things from our community as well as a simple visual display of what the reviewers think of the game.

[url]http://wkduffy.wordpress.com/[/url] This blog is my favorite site for reviews, mainly because it dabbles in stuff no one else bothers to touch, and I would dare say that it's a source of inspiration for me. I might totally go on-board with this "FPR" deal.

I'm willing to chip in $30 if you guys need.

Like I've said elsewhere, I'll offer to edit since half the population of Iowa wants to write reviews. Too many cooks and all that.

Another good place that has interesting review is [url=http://www.hardcoregaming101.net/]Hardcore gaming 101[/url]. It has pretty in depth reviews and features past iterations of a game's series and how it's evolved overall.

Whatever you guys do, do [I]not[/I] give your headlines those stupid fucking "punny" and dumb titles that Rock Paper Shotgun was infamous for (even before it was shit) Stuff like "Walking to its grave: The Walking Dead sequel shambles onto Steam" or any of that shit.

..I'd just title it "Game Review:Game Name Here"

Or just write purely in puns. The whole review is a pun.

No. I will not allow puns. I will hurt people who use puns. I hate puns. All my father talks is in fucking puns.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;45847629]I don't think we should expect professional quality from ourselves to start. We should just do our best and go from there. A pressure for professional quality may squash our creative drive at the start so we should try and work our way up to that level of quality[/QUOTE] Then again, look at what the supposed professionals have ended up pulling. I think we shouldn't ever proclaim to be professionally doing it, but, on the flipside, also conduct ourselves as professionally as possible. So the writing quality may not be top notch, but the standards of behaviour would be.

[QUOTE=Swilly;45848089]No. I will not allow puns. I will hurt people who use puns. I hate puns. All my father talks is in fucking puns.[/QUOTE] So you're gonna punish those who use puns?