[QUOTE=lintz;37858800]Anyway, if you want to bug Moffat about it, you know where his twitter is.[/QUOTE]
I'm discussing the episode, isn't that the point of the thread?
The point is, Moffat should have just killed them off.
He didn't even need to kill them off, they could've just decided to have normal lives at the end of The Power of Three.
It wasn't that one year, the whole of New York is basically borked now, is what I took the Doctor to mean.
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[QUOTE=Dan2593;37858888]He didn't even need to kill them off, they could've just decided to have normal lives at the end of The Power of Three.[/QUOTE]
Not edgy enough for Moffat, he had to kill a set of companions off for good.
[QUOTE=Dan2593;37858888]He didn't even need to kill them off, they could've just decided to have normal lives at the end of The Power of Three.[/QUOTE]
Yeah but you know that Moffat needed something final, if he did that, there was room for them to come back.
Killing them off would have created emotion, and no plot holes. Moffat fucked up. He keeps trying to create this elaborate stuff, but it's obvious he doesn't care much for Doctor Who anymore, he's all about Sherlock.
Why is he head writer for both anyway?
[QUOTE=lintz;37858895]It wasn't that one year, the whole of New York is basically borked now, is what I took the Doctor to mean.[/QUOTE]
But he's been to 60's New York last series to save River. He went to 60's New York as the first Doctor too I think. What year did he go as Tennant? Why not just land in a nearby state and find a way there?
It was a very hastily written excuse. It's like he decided on the ending and then needed a reason for it after.
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[QUOTE=ElectronicG19;37858907]Yeah but you know that Moffat needed something final, if he did that, there was room for them to come back.
Killing them off would have created emotion, and no plot holes. Moffat fucked up. He keeps trying to create this elaborate stuff, but it's obvious he doesn't care much for Doctor Who anymore, he's all about Sherlock.[/QUOTE]
I keep wondering if he wrote Blink today The Doctor would've been sent back in time by the Angels but his TARDIS would've been there as a future Doctor already did it and come to take him back or something. Everything is solved far too quickly. The River wrist breaking is probably the most annoying example. That or Rory escaping his fate.
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[QUOTE=lintz;37858928]Why is he head writer for both anyway?[/QUOTE]
He sort of started Sherlock at the same time he got Who. RTD had Who, Torchwood and Sarah Jane Adventures and complained he was overworked. He told Moffat to never have more than one show when he gave him Doctor Who. Moffat laughs at how he did it anyway like he's avoiding whatever hole RTD fell into.
[QUOTE=Dan2593;37858940]But he's been to 60's New York last series to save River. He went to 60's New York as the first Doctor too I think. What year did he go as Tennant? Why not just land in a nearby state and find a way there?
It was a very hastily written excuse. It's like he decided on the ending and then needed a reason for it after.
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I keep wondering if he wrote Blink today The Doctor would've been sent back in time by the Angels but his TARDIS would've been there as a future Doctor already did it and come to take him back or something. Everything is solved far too quickly. The River wrist breaking is probably the most annoying example. That or Rory escaping his fate.
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He sort of started Sherlock at the same time he got Who. RTD had Who, Torchwood and Sarah Jane Adventures and complained he was overworked. He told Moffat to never have more than one show when he gave him Doctor Who. Moffat laughs at how he did it anyway like he's avoiding whatever hole RTD fell into.[/QUOTE]
If you mean the Daleks in Manhattan episode, that was 1930.
Arguably, since on the Doctor's relative timeline that's in the past for him, New York is only broken now, as opposed to when he did all that other stuff. Tennant would have been in.... 07? I think that was Martha's year?
Whoops, bad reading.
No-one has explained how the Statue of Liberty was not seeing moving. Halp.
Plot hole.
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Arguably since it's night time, no one's really paying it much attention.
[QUOTE=lintz;37859032]Plot hole.
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Arguably since it's night time, no one's really paying it much attention.[/QUOTE]
I would notice if a gigantic statue suddenly moved from its pedestal.
When I watched this episode I really liked it due to the fantastic emotional punch. But now I just feel it's a bit rushed.
I'm really upset the viewer didn't get a real goodbye to Rory. I would've liked it more if we didn't see the special effect of The Angel touching Rory and Amy. I'd rather have Amy come out the TARDIS and Rory is already gone. Then we get the scene of her walking towards it with The Doctor trying to stop her. Then it cuts to 30's New York and Rory is on his own and then a little camera cut shows Amy is now with him. A final shot of them together would've been a better last shot of them.
will the Christmas episode be just a one off, or will the series carry on after it?
[QUOTE=Dan2593;37859108] A final shot of them together would've been a better last shot of them.[/QUOTE]
I found this to be a nice touch.
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[QUOTE=Dan2593;37859108]When I watched this episode I really liked it due to the fantastic emotional punch. But now I just feel it's a bit rushed.
I'm really upset the viewer didn't get a real goodbye to Rory. I would've liked it more if we didn't see the special effect of The Angel touching Rory and Amy. I'd rather have Amy come out the TARDIS and Rory is already gone. Then we get the scene of her walking towards it with The Doctor trying to stop her. Then it cuts to 30's New York and Rory is on his own and then a little camera cut shows Amy is now with him. A final shot of them together would've been a better last shot of them.[/QUOTE]
I liked the idea of them just popping away and it would have actually been effective if the story wasn't so crap. Imagine if it was just a regular adventure episode with no obvious foretelling and no drama relating to them dying. Would have been more of a shock and actually emotional, the episode was designed around the emotional goodbye which was obvious and really, I just didn't care they got sent back I just thought "well that's them gone".
Also, my chrome theme.
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Does battery farm count as the egg reference this week?
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So, what's with the dimming lights then?
That's a fair point Grizz.
Dimming lights are a sign of the Angels. Assumedly the Christmas will be back to normal.
I can't say I'm happy with the season so far.
Although not impressed with the beginning of it, I was thrilled by the ending of the first episode.
Also I was somewhat satisfied with the Wild West episode. That had a good science-fiction vibe.
Issues I have:
*Rory & Amy - [sp]Their gone now, thankfully[/sp], but the last few episodes, they felt dry. You know them too well now, and they're not really interesting at all anymore. Amy's toughness became annoying and less charming. Also how they arrived at The Doctor's side at the end of the cube episode was pretty annoying.[sp] River's also pretty annoying now too.[/sp]
*Dinosaurs Episode - Really? That was ridiculous. They rode a fucking dinosaur. As awesome as that sounds, it really wasn't good at all. Also I felt the beginning was random and rushed. Plus those two fucking robots were really bad... they really contradicted the mood and atmosphere. [sp] Also how basically they murdered the bad guy was kind of surprising. I mean sometimes the viewer wants that to happen, but by not killing him you're suppose to teach a lesson. Usually The Doctor has more mercy than that... which is why I liked the third episode.[/sp]
*Cube Episode: Very boring. Focused more around The Doctor's relationship with Amy & Rory than about the plot. It felt like they just wrote the episode to be about their relationships and then slapped on a back story about an invasion. The villain was interesting, [sp]but kind of startling how they built him up to be a "nightmare told to children on Gallafray" but then just blew him up in less than 2 minutes. [/sp]
*Gimmicks: I've felt a bit like this before, but now I strongly feel bothered by how Daleks, Weeping Angels and Cybermen are the protagonist a large part of the time. The first episodes for all of them were spectacular. I felt extremely mystified by all of these villains. Now I barely feel anything when I see a dalek or anything of the sort. They been exploited so much in the show that you know them inside and out and know what to expect.
*I'm also unsatisfied with the most recent episode in many ways, specifically [sp]the sporadic farewell of Amy & Rory, which was like "Oh look we're alive let's go--- Oops, nope, not really just kidding. Usually I think there would be some theme to this but apparently not. "You can't keep running" would've sufficed, but they didn't emphasize that at all in the end.[/sp]
TLDR; I'm not pleased by the writing and I hope it gets better... I feel like the show needs more originality. Seems to be a lack of originality lately.
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Dimming lights are a sign of the Angels. Assumedly the Christmas will be back to normal.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I thought it was interesting how that wasn't directly addressed at all. Another of Moffat's clues for us to find and speculate over ourselves, I guess =)
When they killed off Adric, it was a lot darker.
I'm not sure how I feel about the way Amy and Rory 'die'. On one hand, okay fair enough they're actually dead and not coming back at all. But on the other hand, I can't help but feel they still gave them a happy ending just to make it family friendly and not too dark.
Another annoying part of the episode is we've been building up all series to the Ponds leaving with the dialogue and themes. Then the episode itself basically writes it down and shows us. Then we fucking see one die. EVERYTHING IS SHOUTING "LOOK THE PONDS ARE GOING TO LEAVE" and then they just literally 'go' in the last 2 minutes.
Rose, Donna and Martha all just sort of left. Specially the last two. I had no idea Martha was leaving.
[QUOTE=Liber;37860664]I have never watched this show before, how many seasons are connected with this one?[/QUOTE]
26 Seasons (1963–89) + 1 TV Movie (1996) + 7 Series (2005-12/3)
However, if you want to hop on, you can just begin with the 2005 Series (with Christopher Eccleston) and work your way through it until the show returns at Christmas. A good time to catch up - especially with a new 'era' of sorts beginning. =)
[QUOTE=Liber;37860724]I get the joke, there are a lot of seasons haha, but seriously, how far does this storyline go? How far back do I have to go to understand everything?[/QUOTE]
To be honest, one of the "main" storylines of the past two series just ended. But since it won't be back for a while, it's worth watching the past six series (2005 onwards). There's a lot of history in there.
[QUOTE=Liber;37860664]I have never watched this show before, how many seasons are connected with this one?[/QUOTE]
Loads since 1963, but you can safely start watching from the 2005 reboot. That's Series 1 (old ones are called seasons to differentiate the two eras), and the first half of Series 7 just finished.
[QUOTE=Liber;37860724]I get the joke, there are a lot of seasons haha, but seriously, how far does this storyline go? How far back do I have to go to understand everything?[/QUOTE]
Just start from 2005. It explains everything you need to know as the show goes on and it's all very good and worth watching in order.
All the relevant lore and stuff gets explained in the 2005 series, the only thing you might miss are in jokes and little references here and there but thankfully those aren't common.
We've had people miss seasons and be confused as to where actors have gone. We've had people just skip a large bulk of episodes and make wild accusations about how things work and when we correct them with evidence insist they're still right.
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But yeah 2005 on and you're set.
(oh and also there's a set of 4 special episodes in between series 4 and 5, make sure you don't miss those)
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