End Times: Europe crumbles under the devastating Impact of Mass Immigration - General

[QUOTE=NeverGoWest;48632469]American, you don't know what scale of problem we are talking about here. This is not about racism or "islamophobia" it's about the fact that most of these people that come up here are unqualified, uneducated, religious extremists that will most likely shit up our welfare system, create massive ghettos and form gangs. They come from socioeconomic conditions far worse than anything in the west, and we have no way to deal with the amounts of refugees that are streaming into europe. It's going to be terrible, both for us, and for them. The video both in the OP and the one posted later are nazi-ufo conspiracy theory tier terrible, but we have a real issue here, and it needs to be dealt with in a way that is humane for the refugees, but also for us europeans.[/QUOTE] Is this a parody post? Most of them are actually educated people who were the ones to have the money to get here in the first place.

Fucking disgusting.

[QUOTE=Jamsponge;48637604]Well, I say let the refugees come. I mean, we were wary about the Jews in the 1930s, but then they came and gave us fish and chips so at the end of the day, it's a win-win.[/QUOTE] We're bombarded with WWII-era comparisons all the time, and honestly I don't think they're that helpful, society has changed - a lot. I mean refugees (at least German ones) after WWII were pretty much treated to a refugee camp, which isn't something we'd do in Denmark today. I don't know what the solution is, but we can't just look back to the 30-40's and find the answer.

That's some Breivik-tier of a video :v:

[QUOTE=boobs;48634383]I love how people in this thread defend this mass-[i]illegal[/i] immigration pretty much by saying it's good to have multiculturalism, or that morally right for these people to be moving out of their country. It may be morally right and politically correct to "let" these immigrants in (it's bloody illegal, mind you) but the economic problems and crime that illegal/non tax paying immigrants bring to all countries affected by it; are undeniable. It's not about race, noone thinks it's about race. It's about how refugees and illegal immigrants act. They have no care for the country they move to most of the time, and [B]have no quams ruining its economy or changing it to how their old country was (however good or bad that may be).[/B][/QUOTE] When your life is on the line, who would care about a countrys economy? And you make it sound like they come here because they want to change europe into what they left behind or ruin the economy, when that's the shit they're running away from. Yeah taking refugees in is not easy especially not when it's in masses, but it's far from impossible with good planning and besides whatever the price it's worth doing instead of letting them die.

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;48638696]We're bombarded with WWII-era comparison all the time, and honestly I don't think it's that helpful, society has changed - a lot. I mean refugees (at least German ones) after WWII were pretty much treated to a refugee camp, which isn't something we'd do in Denmark today. I don't know what the solution is, but we can't just look back to the 30-40's and find the answer.[/QUOTE] Whilst I am pro-accepting refugees, that post was primarily meant as a joke. [editline]8th September 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Araknid;48637710]there wasn't a threat of mass murdering terrorists sneaking through with the refugees in the 1930s.[/QUOTE] Yes, there were absolutely [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_(group)]no Jewish terrorists in the 1940s[/url].

Call me crazy, but I am pretty sure the most extreme of the extremists are not the kinds of people that would flee and become refugees. They probably stood behind and joined [insert militia here].

[QUOTE=Jamsponge;48638991] Yes, there were absolutely [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_(group)]no Jewish terrorists in the 1940s[/url].[/QUOTE] seems like the most ironic group in history. a jewish group trying to make a jewish state seeking an alliance with nazi germany

[QUOTE=Zenreon117;48640481]Call me crazy, but I am pretty sure the most extreme of the extremists are not the kinds of people that would flee and become refugees. They probably stood behind and joined [insert militia here].[/QUOTE] This doesn't make any sense. The most extreme of extremists WOULD take refuge in other countries so they can spread their political and religious hatred to other areas. Isn't one of extremist Islam's goals to convert the world to their religion and kill anybody who refuses it.. I have a feeling that soon we are going to see religious and political crimes sky rocket even more so than it has lately in europe after this mass migration cools off.

[QUOTE=asteroidrules;48631960]It actually is, the amount of backlash certain groups seem to have to seeing brown people in the twenty-first-fucking-century is one of the most worrisome things I have ever seen, tied with RT proving Nazi/Stalinist style propaganda is alive and well, even as high as the national level of a world superpower.[/QUOTE] This has basically nothing to do with skin color. Racism is a consequence that will only be more rampant due to what's happening right now however. It's the result, not the cause. It's ironic that an incompetent attempt to help those people in the long run will just breed hatred towards them in the public mind.

The "riots" shown in this video aren't even as bad as the riots that happen whenever a football team loses a big game in Europe.

I saw someone something something with this video [vid]http://d.maxfile.ro/chxwewunij.mp4[/vid] Bullshit, or not-so-bullshit?

[QUOTE=Snake7;48641098]The "riots" shown in this video aren't even as bad as the riots that happen whenever a football team loses a big game in Europe.[/QUOTE] Football is serious fucking business m8

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;48637563]How is it you can watch that video showing "apparent hordes of dark skinned, non-european people" fucking shit up in europe... and reach the conclusion that what the video showed never happened and will never happen again, because the creator has questionable bias?[/QUOTE] haha holy shit i just said that the video is at least partially racially motivated and literally nothing else. You are reading WAY too much into this.

Haha this video is so laughably over the top in its fear-mongering it's very hard to take seriously. Unfortunately there will be plenty of people who will take this 100% seriously (though with the comments it can be a bit hard at times to tell who's genuine and who's parodying these type of ultra-conservative xenophobic people).

[QUOTE=zizzleplix;48642290]Haha this video is so laughably over the top in its fear-mongering it's very hard to take seriously. Unfortunately there will be plenty of people who will take this 100% seriously (though with the comments it can be a bit hard at times to tell who's genuine and who's parodying these type of ultra-conservative xenophobic people).[/QUOTE] Honestly, the reason people are upset isn't the fact that they're "xenophobic", its the fact that these immigrants are getting so abbrasive they [b]literally[/b] come in thousands and [b]literally[/b] tear fences, walls and boats apart just to get into whatever country they will soak up social services from. I'm not saying that [i]ALL[/i] immigrants do this, but a great number of groups will do exactly what I just said. The sad part is, is that it's most of the groups.

[QUOTE=boobs;48642463]Honestly, the reason people are upset isn't the fact that they're "xenophobic", its the fact that these immigrants are getting so abbrasive they [b]literally[/b] come in thousands and [b]literally[/b] tear fences, walls and boats apart just to get into whatever country they will soak up social services from. I'm not saying that [i]ALL[/i] immigrants do this, but a great number of groups will do exactly what I just said. The sad part is, is that it's most of the groups.[/QUOTE] we cant think of the economic, security and cultural effects of this situation deeply, otherwise that would be racist.

[QUOTE=boobs;48642463]Honestly, the reason people are upset isn't the fact that they're "xenophobic", its the fact that these immigrants are getting so abbrasive they [b]literally[/b] come in thousands and [b]literally[/b] tear fences, walls and boats apart just to get into whatever country they will soak up social services from. I'm not saying that [i]ALL[/i] immigrants do this, but a great number of groups will do exactly what I just said. The sad part is, is that it's most of the groups.[/QUOTE] Are there immigrants who come in to other countries simply to abuse social services and/or bring backwards and/or extremist values? Sure I am not denying that. But videos like these heavily exaggerate (like to a comical extent) this problem by making it seem that if we don't do something about the mass immigration that Europe (and eventually countries in other continents too) will completely collapse into anarchy and chaos with no hope of recovery.

[QUOTE=zizzleplix;48642968]Are there immigrants who come in to other countries simply to abuse social services and/or bring backwards and/or extremist values? Sure I am not denying that. But videos like these heavily exaggerate (like to a comical extent) this problem by making it seem that if we don't do something about the mass immigration that Europe (and eventually countries in other continents too) will completely collapse into anarchy and chaos with no hope of recovery.[/QUOTE] Yeah, this video is no better for addressing the issue than if it was instead a mix of Syrian children crying and racist tweets on articles.

[QUOTE=boobs;48642463]just to get into whatever country they will soak up social services[/QUOTE] holy shit they are escaping fucking wars. They are going to Europe because other gulf states will not allow them into their borders. European countries have asylum and refugee policies unlike many Islamic countries. They are human beings running from absolute slaughter, rejected by their so called neighbors, into an unfamiliar place where they know they will face hardship and discrimination but they have hope that they will at least live without fear of being beheaded or bombed. and you are afraid that a few thousand are going to be "soaking up social services." Get some fucking perspective.

[QUOTE=GeneralSpecific;48643698]holy shit they are escaping fucking wars. They are going to Europe because other gulf states will not allow them into their borders. European countries have asylum and refugee policies unlike many Islamic countries. They are human beings running from absolute slaughter, rejected by their so called neighbors, into an unfamiliar place where they know they will face hardship and discrimination but they have hope that they will at least live without fear of being beheaded or bombed. and you are afraid that a few thousand are going to be "soaking up social services." Get some fucking perspective.[/QUOTE] If you honestly believe that every single illegal immigrant is a totally innocent, war torn saint; then [b]YOU[/b] need to get some perspective. Most immigrants come from countries where there are no wars!

[QUOTE=boobs;48643740]Most immigrants come from countries where there are no wars![/QUOTE] [Citation needed]

[QUOTE=DiBBs27;48640976]This doesn't make any sense. The most extreme of extremists WOULD take refuge in other countries so they can spread their political and religious hatred to other areas. Isn't one of extremist Islam's goals to convert the world to their religion and kill anybody who refuses it.. I have a feeling that soon we are going to see religious and political crimes sky rocket even more so than it has lately in europe after this mass migration cools off.[/QUOTE] They already are in the UK; attacks on Muslims and Jewish people have gone up quite a lot recently.

[QUOTE=gudman;48632313]A country being fucking shit to live in is a great deterrence too. Get on our level, stupid Europe. When the option of coming to your country seems worse than staying in a wartorn shithole where there's genocide going on - no immigration/refugees will ever bother you![/QUOTE] Chechnya, Turkmenistan, Tadjikistan etc You had illegal immigrants before it was cool kek.

[QUOTE=GeneralSpecific;48643698]holy shit they are escaping fucking wars. They are going to Europe because other gulf states will not allow them into their borders. European countries have asylum and refugee policies unlike many Islamic countries. They are human beings running from absolute slaughter, rejected by their so called neighbors, into an unfamiliar place where they know they will face hardship and discrimination but they have hope that they will at least live without fear of being beheaded or bombed. and you are afraid that a few thousand are going to be "soaking up social services." Get some fucking perspective.[/QUOTE] What pisses me off the most are shitty immigrants who makes ignorant people hate all immigrants "guuuuuh SANDGORILLAS" People should stop being generalizing fuckwits, but if an immigrant comes here and keeps acting like a piece of shit, why should he or she be allowed to stay? should northern europe turn into some sort of kindergarten for intolerant people who can't stand the thought of someone not being as religious as they are?

[QUOTE=WhyNott;48643919][Citation needed][/QUOTE] I assume he means that they're economic migrants, not refugees. [url]http://www.ssi.org.au/faqs/refugee-faqs/148-what-is-the-difference-between-a-refugee-and-a-migrant[/url] [QUOTE]A migrant is a person who makes a conscious choice to leave their country to seek a better life elsewhere. Before they decide to leave their country, migrants can seek information about their new home, study the language and explore employment opportunities. They can plan their travel, take their belongings with them and say goodbye to the important people in their lives. They are free to return home at any time if things don’t work out as they had hoped, if they get homesick or if they wish to visit family members and friends left behind.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Refugees are forced to leave their country because they are at risk of, or have experienced persecution. The concerns of refugees are human rights and safety, not economic advantage. They leave behind their homes, most or all of their belongings, family members and friends. Some are forced to flee with no warning and many have experienced significant trauma or been tortured or otherwise ill-treated. The journey to safety is fraught with hazard and many refugees risk their lives in search of protection. They cannot return unless the situation that forced them to leave improves. (RCOA)[/QUOTE] The vast majority of migration comes from economic migrants and not refugees: In the World: [img]http://i.imgur.com/6LtF8Ay.png[/img] In Europe: [img]http://i.imgur.com/fIa1T9Z.png[/img] source: [url]http://www.un.org/en/development/desa/population/migration/publications/wallchart/docs/wallchart2013.pdf[/url] Generally speaking, this is a very complex geopolitical and socioeconomic problem, nobody should be handwaving any views or arguments on this. The moral dilemma is this: if western countries don't let in enough refugees/immigrants then there will be massive consequences later on when the wars and bad economic conditions that cause people to leave their countries cease and there's nobody left alive to return to the country and rebuild the infrastructure. On the flip side, letting in too many immigrants and refugees may mean that the host country won't have enough resources to look after them all. Careful economic and resource management is required in order to provide workable living conditions, as well as to provide cultural teachings such as language to incoming migrants/immigrants/refugees. There's also a difference between immigrants/refugees and migrants. immigrants and refugees only stay in the host country temporally before returning to their own country, they only require shelter and temporary work in order to make do and don't necessary require learning the language and culture of the host country. Migrants on the other hand, become permanent residents of the country they move to, and are often 'imported' by a business from another country in order to become cheap(-er) labor. Migrants are often highly skilled, with degrees and doctorates, but work for less money and so are sought after by companies. Immigrants are sometimes skilled but often come from countries with extreme poverty, where people with doctorates are walking around the street homeless, while they sometimes have skills they usually lack experience in practicing their profession and so are not as highly sought after by companies. Refugees most likely have no skills at all, are the least educated out of all types of immigrants/migrants and usually come from the most alien culture since they come from wars on the other side of the world while most economic migrants come from places like eastern europe. In different places, immigration can be either a boon to the economy or can cause stability problems. Immigrants and Migrants provide cheap labor but are also extra mouths to feed. Because refugees are usually less skilled, are harder to adapt to the culture of the host country and take the longest amount of time before they are able to work (partially due to being from a more distant country and taking longer to adapt, but also due the psychological stress from their experiences prior to becoming refugees) they are the least desirable kind of immigrant, which is a shame because they probably need help the most. Anyway, as you can see, the refugee scare comes from a large amount of misinformation and the vast, vast majority of (im-)migration comes from economic migrants and even massive geopolitical events like the war in Syria are just small blips on the radar for the amount of migration that usually happens in Europe, the US and the world at large. The slightly larger influx of refugees will not change anything from how it is already, the amount of refugees is still a completely ineffable amount of people compared to the larger scale of immigration and economic migration. The real danger of refugees isn't that they're going to somehow flood the country, it's that they have to travel such a long distance from the middle east and Africa in order to get to Europe. Large numbers of people die from drowning in overcrowded boats while attempting to cross the Mediterranean sea, for example. The reason they get just go into neighboring countries is that those countries either can't or won't take them, so they have to take an extremely long and life-threatening journey in order to get to Europe. [url]http://www.cfr.org/migration/europes-migration-crisis/p32874[/url] [QUOTE]The growing numbers of migrants and asylum seekers fleeing turmoil in Africa and the Middle East poses complex challenges for European policymakers still grappling with weak economic growth and fractured national politics. Europe, according to a 2014 report from the International Organization for Migration, is currently the most dangerous destination for irregular migration in the world, and the Mediterranean Sea the world’s most dangerous border crossing. To date, the European Union's collective response to its growing migrant crisis has been ad hoc and, critics charge, more focused on securing the bloc's borders than on protecting the rights of migrants and refugees. With nationalist parties ascendant in many member states and concerns about Islamic terrorism looming large across the continent, it remains unclear if political headwinds will facilitate a new climate of immigration reform.[/QUOTE] [img]http://i.cfr.org/content/publications/Migration_Map.gif[/img] [img]http://i.cfr.org/content/publications/Migrants_Chart.gif[/img]