Do you support Donald Trump or his policies? Are Trump supporters human? Answers here - General

[QUOTE=Griffster26;52400682]Honestly I used to like Trump for some reason before he got elected, now he's gone back on effectively every promise he made and I seriously regret liking him[/QUOTE] Is there any chance you could go back to the mindset you had before and explain why you liked him, even if your opinion has changed since then?

[QUOTE=Joshua-029;52400689]Is there any chance you could go back to the mindset you had before and explain why you liked him, even if your opinion has changed since then?[/QUOTE] I remember some of people from both sides finding whole "Drain the swamp"-shtick pretty appealing, he seemed to hit the nail on the head with that one. I guess the idea that he, as a political "outsider", could really shake up the political situation in the government seemed pretty plausible at the time.

[QUOTE=J!NX;52400671]#ReagyForBan[/QUOTE] [t]http://horobox.co.uk/u/reag/2017-06-25_23-05-47.png[/t]

Before he became president (or ran for office), I thought he was just some rich bossy dude. Now I know he's a massive scumbag who says anything to appease his dwindling base and tries to destroy Obama's entire legacy.

[quote]Then it occurred to me that Tudd is the only real vocal Trump supporter I know of. Whenever I'm browsing through Polodicks or really anywhere else on this forum, I rarely see people go against the tide of "Trump is a shit". I've always preferred to try and see other viewpoints when in a discussion/debate, but with a lack of Trump supporters here I wonder if it's because the opposing point is simply so 'wrong' that no one here supports it, or if they don't talk about it because they'll just get into the text equivalent of a screaming battle with the majority of the forum.[/quote] Honestly, it's both. Trump supporters on this forum have followed a few trends that have just made them insufferably unlikeable at best and complete cunts at worst. Most of them have gotten perma'd by now and the ones that remain generally keep their mouth shut, though they do pop up from time to time. You can just sing along on what happens if someone openly supports Trump in a thread about his fuckups. Tudd generally walks a fine line between being obnoxious but not banworthy, though that has shifted a bit lately.

There are a handful of things Trump talked about on the campaign trail that I agree with, almost none of which have actually come into reality, and all of them are things most generic Republicans support anyway. What he doesn't share with Generic Republicans is even an ounce of humility or respect for the office, Americans at large, American institutions such as a free press, or other leaders. His domestic stances by and large come down to rolling back any progress Obama made in his 8 years and his foreign policy has been that of a bumbling idiot who is empowering our foes and discomforting our allies. I didn't support Campaign Trump, and President Trump has been [I]worse[/I]. [QUOTE=Dave_Parker;52400270]It's no secret that Facepunch is more left-leaning in general, and even greatly fits the demographic (white, college-educated, 18-35 years old) so it's not really a surprise there's not an even balance of left/right forum members.[/QUOTE] People say this but it's one of the more moderate, occasionally right-leaning boards I know of. I'd say it leans left, but not by much, because there are definitely issues FP leans right on. [QUOTE=Dave_Parker;52400270]I don't agree with everything the man does and there are legitimate criticisms to give[/QUOTE] What are the legitimate criticisms you have? [QUOTE=Dave_Parker;52400270]but I also think the media is adding fuel to the "blind hatred" fire by the truckloads. It's super interesting to read the comments on the Trump stories because it's just a bigass pool of cognitive dissonance and confirmation bias on both sides.[/QUOTE] I think the vast majority of the criticism Trump gets is legitimate. [QUOTE=Dave_Parker;52400270]For example: Trump wrote in the Comey memo "I hope you can let this go" (about the Flynn investigation) The New York Times headlined: "Comey memo says Trump asked him to end Flynn investigation" Trump supporters will see a man who hopes his friend won't be investigated Trump opposers will see a man who tries to interfere with a federal investigation by asking it to be shut down.[/QUOTE] Yeah he hopes his friend won't be investigated so he asks the person in charge of investigating him to let it go this seems pretty cut and dry. Is the point to show the unbelievable naivety of Trump supporters? [QUOTE=Dave_Parker;52400270]Next time a story like that runs, check out the Facepunch thread on it and then check the The_Donald or /pol/ thread on it, you'll see the difference for yourself.[/QUOTE] I actually do this and it is incredible. Seeing a story posted on r/politics and reading the comments, then coming to FP and reading the comments, then seeing if the story is talked about on t_d is an incredible journey through the landscape of political discourse on the internet. You can have two different people read an article and come to completely opposite conclusions. Shit is wild. [QUOTE=Dave_Parker;52400270]And Trump just had by far the best meme game in the election and I loved seeing Facepunch in general get super mad. I reread the Election Night megathread sometimes, always a good read.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Dave_Parker;52400270]I'm a generally right-leaning guy. The Trump-o-nomics era and the volatility that brings has made me lot of money on the stock market.[/QUOTE] Do you ever consider that your perspective (foreigner who won't be impacted by the generally terrible domestic policies Trump and his Republicans push) isn't shared with a lot of people on FP, and that is why people are upset? I'm glad your stocks are doing well but when you consider the typical American FPer is low-middle income that's not really a benefit they are seeing from Trump's presidency.

Absolutely not. He has no idea what he's doing, suggested violence at his rallies, and is an unlikable person.

[QUOTE=MuTAnT;52400417]I used to chat on a Republican chat room when Mitt Romney was running for President and since then from what I've seen from it there's a large group of people that dislike Trump, but being from the Republican family feel they have to support and defend him anyway to protect their political family. It's something I've noticed from both sides that gets more extreme as the divide widens.[/QUOTE] I think it's pretty interesting how many people on the right weren't really for Trump but were willing to bite the bullet and vote for him over Clinton, while the left was splintered in it's support for Clinton. I wonder if pragmatism is an inherently conservative philosphy.

also in the picture in the poll he looks like a goddamn lizard

#maga

[QUOTE=Joshua-029;52400382]I understand that a majority of this forum dislikes Trump, and these posts reflect that, but if I wanted to see how much people dislike Trump I could easily look anywhere else on Facepunch. Are there really no other Trump supporters willing to speak out and explain why to someone that's interested in hearing their take on things?[/QUOTE] Not a Trump supporter, but policies I support Pro-2nd amendment, Department of Education cuts, pro-energy independence (not pro-deregulation though), voiding TPP, increase defense spending, increase border spending (the wall is dumb though), and I'd say increase infrastructure spending but it looks like that one isn't going to pan out like he promised.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;52400905]Not a Trump supporter, but policies I support Pro-2nd amendment, Department of Education cuts, pro-energy independence (not pro-deregulation though), voiding TPP, increase defense spending, increase border spending (the wall is dumb though), and I'd say increase infrastructure spending but it looks like that one isn't going to pan out like he promised.[/QUOTE] Interesting, did you vote for him? If so, do you regret that vote? Do you think he has been acting on those policies like he intended or has he flip flopped like others have said? You support his policies but not him, is it because of how he acts? Was there a different republican candidate you would've preferred? Sorry if I'm asking a lot of questions I'm just really curious.

At first I had an indifferent/let's see how things go attitude. When one of the first things he passed included allowing coal waste to be dumped into bodies of water where some areas get their drinking water from, yet no means taken to keep the water clean and drinkable, I immediately disliked him and his policies.

[QUOTE=Joshua-029;52400689]Is there any chance you could go back to the mindset you had before and explain why you liked him, even if your opinion has changed since then?[/QUOTE] Pretty much what Crimson said, I liked his policies on illegal immigration as I felt it's contributed heavily to the decline of the city I live in and I thought he'd be a good candidate to help remove the big business lobbies and all the old farts still sitting in the supreme court and in Senate.

[QUOTE=Joshua-029;52400924]Interesting, did you vote for him? If so, do you regret that vote? Do you think he has been acting on those policies like he intended or has he flip flopped like others have said? You support his policies but not him, is it because of how he acts? Was there a different republican candidate you would've preferred? Sorry if I'm asking a lot of questions I'm just really curious.[/QUOTE] I didn't vote for him because the things I like about him are outweighed by the things I don't like about him. I think he has a mixed record on those policies. He is definitely pro-amendment and for increased defense and border spending, but I disagree with his approach to the DoE and I don't think energy independence should come at the cost of our environment (I'm pro-nuclear and renewables but I don't mind fracking or domestic drilling for oil as long as it's highly regulated). For Republicans I would have preferred, definitely Kasich. Obviously not perfect but I could seriously have seen myself voting for him over Clinton. The rest of the Republican field ranged from dangerously incompetent to needlessly malicious.

Donald Trump is the inevitable conclusion of a late stage capitalistic country.

[QUOTE=Sky King;52401043]Donald Trump is the inevitable conclusion of a late stage capitalistic country.[/QUOTE] personally i think he's the caesar of sperglers "decline of the west"

I know this is avoiding the question, but thanks to the [I]fine[/I] selection of candidates presented, I had to make a gamble between someone who I find to be nasty woman and "comedy hurr" option. And running further down the road past election night, I'm not even sold on Bernie anymore. My issue is that due to my stances in the US, it's unlikely I'll get a candidate that aligns with them across the board. I don't even have to go further than saying Pro-Gun, Pro-Gay, Pro-Environment, Pro-Nuclear to make that clear. Across Trump's policies is a randomly distributed basket for me of "Agree, disagree, agree but the implementation was dogshit." And that's about it. I'll pick up headlines, try to find some conflicting sources to make heads or tails of it, and move on. Getting angry over politics has never helped me in life, nor has staying obsessively up to date about the POTUS's daily bowel movements provided me any opportunities in life. If this election has actually upset me in any way, it's the increasing polarization of both camps. It's not just with-us-or-against us, it's downright "if you don't think like me you're a (nazi/communist) and it's alright to physically assault you xD" tier. Mix that with the general media of either Fox style chest-beating or CNN existential crisis cranked to 11, daily, and it's seriously fucking exhausting. I knew I was getting a wildcard, but I expected people to calm down a bit earlier than drag it on for half a year.

My primary issue with DT is that so many of his decisions seem to be dependent a matter of either greed, some malice, or whoever is surrounding him and makes him feel positive. Greed in the matters of taxes lowered for those of a high income, malice towards Obama in slicing policies such as the ACA and regulations, and group mentality in supporting the removal of Net Neutrality. What makes it sickening is that so much of this was evident during the elections, yet quite a number of those who support stuff vital to free speech such as Net Neutrality supported him. I don't want to be volatile towards his supporters, but it seems like they want to support a horse that could screw them just because they want it to win an imaginary race when their well being is at stake. A lot of this goes towards those who support the Republicans in general.

[QUOTE=Joshua-029;52400216]So I was asking myself yesterday why everyone just shits on Tudd. The best argument I've heard against him is that he uses biased sources when debating, but a lot of the time I see people just hate on him no matter what and I wonder if it's simply due to different political views. Then it occurred to me that Tudd is the only real vocal Trump supporter I know of. Whenever I'm browsing through Polodicks or really anywhere else on this forum, I rarely see people go against the tide of "Trump is a shit". I've always preferred to try and see other viewpoints when in a discussion/debate, but with a lack of Trump supporters here I wonder if it's because the opposing point is simply so 'wrong' that no one here supports it, or if they don't talk about it because they'll just get into the text equivalent of a screaming battle with the majority of the forum.[/QUOTE] People don't hate Tudd because he supports Donald Trump. There have been many cases in fp history where we've gotten left wing shitposters get universally hated because of how they post, not what they post. While of course there are undoubtedly out there who do hate people because of their political views, they're a small minority. [URL="https://facepunch.com/forumdisplay.php?f=64&page=1011&sort=postusername&order=asc"]Link of a username video section search, starting with Tu, you can find Tudd's video section posts in here.[/URL] Notice how most of them are universally liked? As you mentioned, the sources Tudd posts are of subpar quality, usually from sources that constantly insult liberalism and they're all just a bother to watch. You seem to have a concern with screaming matches, and honestly the sort of stuff that Tudd posts is the equivalent of a one sided screaming match because of it's content. It's when he posts the terrible content when it he hated, such as: [url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1546427[/url] [url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1568683[/url] [url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1546122[/url] [url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1553967[/url] He likes to avoid arguing with people. He posts his point, 3 people argue it, he stops and blames it on people being too mean when it starts getting just a little heated, or blames it on the fact that he can't handle this many people arguing against him if everyone is level headed. Average person would just ignore the assholes and argue with the people who are there to argue, but he just groups them all together and leaves. At the start of an argument, when valid points are provided, he ignores them anyways. An example of this was when he provided a source claiming that it was evidence that Trump was going to support nuclear power, when it was just executives saying that "hey we want trump to use nuclear power since he's not doing anything about it". Multiple people pointed it out, some being level headed, some with a lot of sass, but in the next thread about it he still posted that source. Tudd never contributed positively to the forums. It was almost always negative. Most of his articles were always critical of the left and it's supporters, and posting those sort of articles is his idea of balancing out the forums. [QUOTE=Tudd;51466587]I actually think I help keep the forum balanced by being one of the only guys that posts threads from the other side.[/QUOTE] [editline]4[/editline] I would be fully willing to support Donald Trump if he actually provided benifits to the country. If he does good, I would pretend all his social policies weren't a mess and praise him for what he did. I think I only did that once when he provided new jobs, but I took it back when it was discovered the jobs he created weren't in the same quantity and quality (by like half) as the jobs he promised.

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;52401401] I think I only did that once when he provided new jobs, but I took it back when it was discovered the jobs he created weren't in the same quantity and quality (by like half) as the jobs he promised.[/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/22/trumps-carrier-jobs-deal-is-just-not-living-up-to-the-hype.html"]And 600 of those jobs are disappearing by Christmas anyway. [/URL]

For me, this year won't be a good year unless it ends with Trump in cuffs, his party in prison, and a leader appointed by the people in charge ready to deal with Russia and their cyber attacks.

Kind of. I don't like how he's involving himself in the Middle East. I want that wall built and I want refugees out for now until we can vet them better, no offence to anyone of course.

[QUOTE=kijji;52400868]also in the picture in the poll he looks like a goddamn lizard[/QUOTE] [t]https://i.ytimg.com/vi/bwmqdCHY90g/hqdefault.jpg[/t]

[QUOTE=Quark:;52401508]For me, this year won't be a good year unless it ends with Trump in cuffs, his party in prison, and a leader appointed by the people in charge ready to deal with Russia and their cyber attacks.[/QUOTE] So, a coup d'etat and the rise of a political strongman? Please, no. The foundations are shaky enough, we don't need to tear the roof off too.

[QUOTE=Psychokitten;52401523]So, a coup d'etat and the rise of a political strongman? Please, no. The foundations are shaky enough, we don't need to tear the roof off too.[/QUOTE] No, an administrative impeachment, justice being served, laws being enforced, and democracy being restored. Why put words into my mouth, friend?

[QUOTE=WhiteGirl88;52401510]Kind of. I don't like how he's involving himself in the Middle East. I want that wall built and I want refugees out for now until we can vet them better, no offence to anyone of course.[/QUOTE] Do you agree with him as a person or just his policies? Could you elaborate on what specific policies you support and why? Do you think he has kept his promises so far?

Obviously not. My dislike for him even grew with all the forced memeshit tbh, with the 'god emperor' shit (im quite a fucking nerd about that shitty lore so it annoys me) and anime maga hats fucking everywhere, theres still like 10 people on my friendslist with avatars like that, and it just makes me roll my eyes, and shake my head, especially since most people I talked to about it are single issue voters but I am glad that trump got me into politics a bit more. I had never really been good at arguing or politics...and I'm still not good at arguing or politics, but I'm improving a little bit. It's good that I learned which types of sites to avoid as well.

[QUOTE=Naught;52401595]Obviously not. My dislike for him even grew with all the forced memeshit tbh, with the 'god emperor' shit (im quite a fucking nerd about that shitty lore so it annoys me) and anime maga hats fucking everywhere, theres still like 10 people on my friendslist with avatars like that, and it just makes me roll my eyes, and shake my head, especially since most people I talked to about it are single issue voters but I am glad that trump got me into politics a bit more. I had never really been good at arguing or politics...and I'm still not good at arguing or politics, but I'm improving a little bit. It's good that I learned which types of sites to avoid as well.[/QUOTE] Watching the cult behavior with Trump's followers develop alongside the election was very unsettling. It's even more unsettling today.

It's bad when the "Hurr option that gets you perma'd" has almost as many votes as actually following the guy :pudge: