Do you support Donald Trump or his policies? Are Trump supporters human? Answers here - General

[QUOTE=RenaFox;52401844]It's bad when the "Hurr option that gets you perma'd" has almost as many votes as actually following the guy :pudge:[/QUOTE] It gives you a comparison for exactly how smart his followers are

[QUOTE=RenaFox;52401844]It's bad when the "Hurr option that gets you perma'd" has almost as many votes as actually following the guy :pudge:[/QUOTE] im pretty sure half of the "support trump" in the poll are joking actually

[QUOTE=Quark:;52401696]Watching the cult behavior with Trump's followers develop alongside the election was very unsettling. It's even more unsettling today.[/QUOTE] Honestly, I really think a lot of them on the anonymous internet are gen-z'ers (13-18 yr old males) who jumped on the atheism > anti sjw > trump bandwagon over time, and are just joining in as people who don't really understand what they're talking about/memeshits. That, mixed in with a bunch of old people getting internet access. Trumps' cult following is certainly an interesting menagerie of people: about 65-75% male, tough.

[QUOTE=da space core;52401919]im pretty sure half of the "support trump" in the poll are joking actually[/QUOTE] Ummm what? I've been an open trump supporter since forever, everyone knows this! Same with 99% of everyone in there. The only joke vote is Tudd tbh. He's been a Bernie man since bernie first started fingering politicians. He just pretends to be a trump supporter out of satire. [editline]26th June 2017[/editline] He's making the rest of us honest, hardworking Trump supporters look bad

As far as I can tell, Trump's appeal is that he appeals to people who don't want an eloquent, intelligent, and calm leader or even a smooth-talker, they want a retarded gorilla who beats his chest harder than anybody else and is "tough" because all he does is insult everybody else instead of defeating them through reasoned debate and policy. This seems to be becoming increasingly common for conservative leaders these days so it's not just him who uses this image. He appeals to people's dumbest side. Don't like those brown people? We'll ban them all and build a big stupid physical wall because you can only understand a physical object instead of vague and confusing things like "immigration policy". His ego is the size of the moon and constant childish insults make him appear "strong and confident" at an apparently appealingly shallow level. There's nothing actually strong about him and his ego shatters like glass upon the slightest impact. And this is just his campaign. His campaign that he continues to pretend is going on because he retreats back into his hugbox every few weeks. I suppose this comes out as "trump appeals to stupid people" but I cannot imagine how you could possibly like this guy for any reasons besides those if you put a microsecond of thought into him. I don't understand how you could look at him and think he's likable and charismatic. I genuinely do not understand how you can think this guy is admirable.

[QUOTE=Joshua-029;52400255]The problem with this is that you're potentially biased against Trump from the get go. I know a ComSci Professor who has a MBA and is currently going to Law School and while she has no specific side, she does seem to agree with Trump more often than not. I and most people would consider her intellectually honest and indiscriminately critical. I feel that in something like this, for example with the Muslim Ban, there's different sides and no truly 'correct' answer to the problem, at least not one that can be reached easily. So of course when a person feels their solution is right, then they'll see the other solutions as 'wrong', because they have different priorities and views on how a country should be ran. This is why I'm interested primarily in seeing it from a Trump Supporter's view because they believe they're right, they have their reasoning, and they don't inherently lack the ability to think critically and honestly.[/QUOTE] I certainly have a bias against Trump from the get go, I recognize that - I'm generally not a fan of right wing politicians, but even with that in consideration I stand by what I said.

I dislike Trump and think that he is hilariously incompetent, in the sense that the stuff he does and says makes me chuckle and go 'holy fuck is this guy even real.' But of course he is real. It's interesting to contemplate some of the reasons he got elected, a major one (I believe) to be the dichotomy between Trump's and Clinton's speech and the implicit truth-value that each of them had. Even though a lot of what Trump was saying came straight out of his ass, the way each candidate spoke and acted was very different. Trump was brazen, confident, et cetera. Hillary seemed more weasely, unsure, more like a career politician in a time when America was fed-up with career politicans. This also connected with the speech controversies that have been occurring lately as far as university censorship, SJWs, et cetera. I know a few people who pretty much voted for Trump b/c they are very worried about the inherent danger of the regressive lefts speech policies, and the whole slippery slope towards authoritarianism and censorship. I should note that these people are academics and philosophers, and that I personally agree with them as well and am, too, concerned about this issue. All this being said, I think partisanship, bias, and echo chambers play a huge role in this election and make it so that objective truth is very hard to find. There are nuances that I think people easily skip over, like for example I feel that people overestimate how much damage Trump alone is causing. No doubt he's caused a shitshow, but people tend to overestimate the power of the President and devalue the power of the Legislative branch in particular. Much of what has come out of this presidency so far is likely House and Senate Republicans being empowered by a Republican presidency and passing a whole lot of shit, all of which gets the stamp of approval by Trump and after that has his name on it. This isn't to say that he hasn't been more or less directly responsible for certain bills, I don't doubt. And his advisers aren't the type to check him at all, so there's that. This entire situation makes me curious, as America has never had a President like this. Trump also seems to be facing an unprecedented amount of backlash, both public and private. There are many people being motivated and encouraged to spring into political action, et cetera. This type of action can already be seen with the mayors of many major cities pledging to support the Paris Climate Agreement, which I think is great. People tend to underestimate how important change is on a local level rather than the federal level, so I think that, if these Mayors are serious, this isn't simply a hollow gesture that will be overshadowed by federal actions, especially if huge polluters like New York and LA are on board. Anyways, what I'm really trying to say is that I think one of the most beneficial effects/legacies of this Presidency is what will be done by the people motivated by the hate of Trump, which is both humorous and ironic. Four years isn't that long, but how people decide to act and what people decide to do within those four years will last much longer.

He pulled us out of the Paris Accords because he thought it was literally about giving Paris jobs, so fuck that idiot.

[QUOTE=Joshua-029;52401587]Do you agree with him as a person or just his policies?[/QUOTE] Just his policies. I don't really pay attention to him as a person, or really care. I like JFK but he was a pretty shady person. [QUOTE=Joshua-029;52401587]Could you elaborate on what specific policies you support and why?[/QUOTE] I support his policies against immigration, most notably against Middle Eastern countries. I think his rhetoric against Mexican immigration is hyperbolic at best, but there's some merit there. [QUOTE=Joshua-029;52401587]Do you think he has kept his promises so far?[/QUOTE] So far, yes. I think it's way too early in his presidency to judge though. Ask me again in a year or two.

[QUOTE=Quark:;52401696]Watching the cult behavior with Trump's followers develop alongside the election was very unsettling. It's even more unsettling today.[/QUOTE] Watching the cult behavior of people in this thread is unsettling too, despite my question being "If you support Donald Trump, can you explain why?" and making it clear in every post I've made, everyone else comes in chiming in about how much they hate Trump and think he's a bad president. One of them even talked about how a Trump supporter is a drooling retarded inbred sheep. Is there any chance a Moderator can remove the poll and change the title to "If you support Donald Trump, can you explain why?" to make the point of the thread clearer? As I've said before, I honestly don't care if you [I]don't[/I] support Trump, that's outrageously clear and if I need to know it more I can very easily look anywhere else on this forum. I'm trying to figure out what a Trump supporter thinks, and it's hard to do when everyone slaps their dicks together while screaming "TRUMP IS A SHIT" because either it scares them away due to backlash or silences their opinion due to having like 10 posts of "Trump is bad" for every "Trump is kinda okay I guess" post. [QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;52401401]People don't hate Tudd because he supports Donald Trump. There have been many cases in fp history where we've gotten left wing shitposters get universally hated because of how they post, not what they post. While of course there are undoubtedly out there who do hate people because of their political views, they're a small minority. [URL="https://facepunch.com/forumdisplay.php?f=64&page=1011&sort=postusername&order=asc"]Link of a username video section search, starting with Tu, you can find Tudd's video section posts in here.[/URL] Notice how most of them are universally liked? As you mentioned, the sources Tudd posts are of subpar quality, usually from sources that constantly insult liberalism and they're all just a bother to watch. You seem to have a concern with screaming matches, and honestly the sort of stuff that Tudd posts is the equivalent of a one sided screaming match because of it's content. It's when he posts the terrible content when it he hated, such as: [url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1546427[/url] [url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1568683[/url] [url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1546122[/url] [url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1553967[/url] He likes to avoid arguing with people. He posts his point, 3 people argue it, he stops and blames it on people being too mean when it starts getting just a little heated, or blames it on the fact that he can't handle this many people arguing against him if everyone is level headed. Average person would just ignore the assholes and argue with the people who are there to argue, but he just groups them all together and leaves. At the start of an argument, when valid points are provided, he ignores them anyways. An example of this was when he provided a source claiming that it was evidence that Trump was going to support nuclear power, when it was just executives saying that "hey we want trump to use nuclear power since he's not doing anything about it". Multiple people pointed it out, some being level headed, some with a lot of sass, but in the next thread about it he still posted that source. Tudd never contributed positively to the forums. It was almost always negative. Most of his articles were always critical of the left and it's supporters, and posting those sort of articles is his idea of balancing out the forums. [/QUOTE] Thank you, that makes it clearer why people dislike Tudd and don't even bother with him that much anymore. I'd still like to see what he says, of course. But this really helps answer one of my questions. [QUOTE=Reds;52402516]As far as I can tell, Trump's appeal is that he appeals to people who don't want an eloquent, intelligent, and calm leader or even a smooth-talker, they want a retarded gorilla who beats his chest harder than anybody else and is "tough" because all he does is insult everybody else instead of defeating them through reasoned debate and policy. This seems to be becoming increasingly common for conservative leaders these days so it's not just him who uses this image. He appeals to people's dumbest side. Don't like those brown people? We'll ban them all and build a big stupid physical wall because you can only understand a physical object instead of vague and confusing things like "immigration policy". His ego is the size of the moon and constant childish insults make him appear "strong and confident" at an apparently appealingly shallow level. There's nothing actually strong about him and his ego shatters like glass upon the slightest impact. And this is just his campaign. His campaign that he continues to pretend is going on because he retreats back into his hugbox every few weeks. I suppose this comes out as "trump appeals to stupid people" but I cannot imagine how you could possibly like this guy for any reasons besides those if you put a microsecond of thought into him. I don't understand how you could look at him and think he's likable and charismatic. I genuinely do not understand how you can think this guy is admirable.[/QUOTE] That's one way to look at it, appealing to the more emotional side of a person. (I think it's called virtue signaling, but I'm not sure). Thanks for the input! If you'd like to see how else you can like him, other people in this thread (da space core) have shared their insight and a couple actual Trump supporters have came up. It's interesting. [QUOTE=WhiteGirl88;52403190]Just his policies. I don't really pay attention to him as a person, or really care. I like JFK but he was a pretty shady person.[/QUOTE] Oh okay, that's cool. You say you don't care, was there any other Republican you would've preferred in place of him? [QUOTE=WhiteGirl88;52403190]I support his policies against immigration, most notably against Middle Eastern countries. I think his rhetoric against Mexican immigration is hyperbolic at best, but there's some merit there.[/QUOTE] Ah, so you liked him because of his immigration policies. Was there any thing else of his that you particularly wanted more than others? [QUOTE=WhiteGirl88;52403190]So far, yes. I think it's way too early in his presidency to judge though. Ask me again in a year or two.[/QUOTE] I'll hold you to it ;)

[QUOTE=Joshua-029;52403424]Oh okay, that's cool. You say you don't care, was there any other Republican you would've preferred in place of him?[/QUOTE] Not really, no. [QUOTE=Joshua-029;52403424]Ah, so you liked him because of his immigration policies. Was there any thing else of his that you particularly wanted more than others?[/QUOTE] Were there any other policies of his I liked? Kind of! I guess I liked him more because he seemed like a protest choice. I know myself and a lot of other people are getting tired of politicians that say they'll do something but never really do it, and things remain the same. He seemed like such an outsider that perhaps he could rattle the cage.

I support Trump simply because he is a populist. I do not give a single shit about him as a person nor any of the policies he is currently implementing. Any other incumbent politician would do the same thing behind our backs, at least Trump has the common courtesy of saying it to our face. What I do care about is what he represents. I am mostly interested is in the dismantling of the two-party system. Thanks to the Internet, populism is starting to take hold of politics all over the globe and third-party power is a real possibility in US politics. It already is in Spain. Trump as president is one of the best catalysts to achieve that end, with Bernie Sanders in close second. I am thinking about the election come 2020 and 2024. The democrats sure as hell can't run someone like Hilary or Obama against Trump, so they will pick someone like Bernie Sanders. If Clinton won the 2016 election, then we'd have the same old circus show, and the dismantling of the two party system would come much later. I am also very happy that so many people are pissed off at the United States government. Further, say what you will about his social policies, but his fiscal policies actually make some sense.

Can you elaborate on how his fiscal policies make sense?

[QUOTE=Dave_Parker;52403636]Referencing white race and the number 88 in the username[/QUOTE] There's nothing wrong with that. What I believe or don't believe isn't in the scope of this thread. I'd appreciate if we kept on topic. [QUOTE=Not64;52403639]I am also very happy that so many people are pissed off at the United States government.[/QUOTE] If there's one good thing to come out of the Trump election, and this is true no matter what side of the political spectrum you're on, it's that people actually care about politics and we're talking about it. Good point!

[QUOTE=WhiteGirl88;52403540]Not really, no. Were there any other policies of his I liked? Kind of! I guess I liked him more because he seemed like a protest choice. I know myself and a lot of other people are getting tired of politicians that say they'll do something but never really do it, and things remain the same. He seemed like such an outsider that perhaps he could rattle the cage.[/QUOTE] Do you believe he has succeeded in rattling the cage? Are you pleased with him not being a politician or do you regret anything about him? Did you vote for him or are you simply happy with the outcome? [QUOTE=Not64;52403639]I support Trump simply because he is a populist. I do not give a single shit about him as a person nor any of the policies he is currently implementing. Any other incumbent politician would do the same thing behind our backs, at least Trump has the common courtesy of saying it to our face. [/QUOTE] I think most people would disagree that he's a populist and is instead trying to further his own goals and the goals of the upper class. Do you agree or disagree with this statement? Either way could you elaborate? Do you believe he indeed has the best interests of common people in mind? [QUOTE=Not64;52403639] What I do care about is what he represents. I am mostly interested is in the dismantling of the two-party system. Thanks to the Internet, populism is starting to take hold of politics all over the globe and third-party power is a real possibility in US politics. It already is in Spain. Trump as president is one of the best catalysts to achieve that end, with Bernie Sanders in close second. I am thinking about the election come 2020 and 2024. The democrats sure as hell can't run someone like Hilary or Obama against Trump, so they will pick someone like Bernie Sanders. If Clinton won the 2016 election, then we'd have the same old circus show, and the dismantling of the two party system would come much later. [/QUOTE] You mention supporting Trump, but then you also go on about "What I do care about is what he represents". Does this mean you don't support him, or do you simply care more about what he represents as opposed to who he is. Do you actually support him as a President or do you just like him in office since it'll, as Whitegirl88 said, "rattle the cage" and hopefully bring about a reformation of how we handle the office? [QUOTE=Not64;52403639] I am also very happy that so many people are pissed off at the United States government. [/QUOTE] As an avid patriot, I can't be that happy with that, especially since it's happening due to us worsening our international relations and making bold almost selfish moves in the eyes of others, but again I can't really talk too much about this since I'm still very uninformed on politics. Are you happy because this will bring about reformation and force the US to finally start playing nice with the others, or do you wish to see the US change and fall into something else? Could you elaborate? [QUOTE=Not64;52403639] Further, say what you will about his social policies, but his fiscal policies actually make some sense.[/QUOTE] Could you explain/elaborate in more detail about what you support in his fiscal policies? I'm sorry if it comes off as an interrogation, but I'd just really like to have a discussion and try to learn more from the side that doesn't talk as much. I don't really have any political leanings myself, so don't think I have an agenda or I'm trying to change hearts and minds or something.

[QUOTE=Mort Stroodle;52400264]Muslim ban is blatant religious discrimination that tried to ban travel from some countries that posed no terrorist threat to the US and ignored countries which had a much more substantial terrorism threat. I don't see any intellectually honest way to support Trump's policy on the matter.[/QUOTE] As a Trump supporter I couldn't make it very far down the comments without nearly cringing my lunch out of my gut. I'm going to do my best to remain leveled headed and present absent and critical information. Your comment stuck out especially because it is an inverse on reality. The origin of the list of countries came from the Obama administration. If this list had a title it would read 'terrorist funding and/or harboring nations'. Absent from the list are the 5 largest Muslim nations. It's easy to see when people have fallen victim to propaganda for example in your case you refer to this as a 'Muslim ban' when in fact the ban had nothing to do religion. The ban was also temporary. Most countries on the list were only to be barred for 90 days (a few for 180) which was idk 60-70 days ago?? Also I repeat, this list came from the previous administration. This was not an 'attack' by the Trump administration it was simply an "intellectually honest" way to address the problem that is radical Islamic terrorism.

[QUOTE='[Jake];52404227']As a Trump supporter I couldn't make it very far down the comments without nearly cringing my lunch out of my gut. I'm going to do my best to remain leveled headed and present absent and critical information. Your comment stuck out especially because it is an inverse on reality. The origin of the list of countries came from the Obama administration. If this list had a title it would read 'terrorist funding and/or harboring nations'. Absent from the list are the 5 largest Muslim nations. It's easy to see when people have fallen victim to propaganda for example in your case you refer to this as a 'Muslim ban' when in fact the ban had nothing to do religion. The ban was also temporary. Most countries on the list were only to be barred for 90 days (a few for 180) which was idk 60-70 days ago?? Also I repeat, this list came from the previous administration. This was not an 'attack' by the Trump administration it was simply an "intellectually honest" way to address the problem that is radical Islamic terrorism.[/QUOTE] The ban in itself is retarded, it doesn't matter whether the list was drawn up by the previous administration, Trump went through with it, therefore as the president of the US he can be held accountable. If you want to hold on to your belief that this was not a discrimination against Muslims then you are unfortunately going to fall into an echo chamber of facts that you do not want to hear. It is not an intelligent way to deal with Islamic terrorism when most of the terror attacks committed in the US have been done by people who were born there. And it will not deal with home grown radicalization. Tell me why Saudi Arabia isn't on the list when their regime is the biggest example of Islamic fundamentalism. Also tell me why the same administration is selling Saudi Arabia billions of dollars in weapons when it is well known the Saudi government supports terrorists in the middle east and bombs civilians every week. Trump has denounced Muslims in his campaign and verbally attacked them countless times and you still think this ban is just about keeping you safe from the flocks of suicide bombers that the republicans think come pouring into the US off planes every day.

[QUOTE='[Jake];52404227']This was not an 'attack' by the Trump administration it was simply an "intellectually honest" way to address the problem that is radical Islamic terrorism.[/QUOTE] The Muslim ban is about as intellectually honest as the fucking wall. Which is getting along swimmingly, by the way.

If Trump was doing good things, I'd support him As it is Trump is actively malicious and actively trying to harm the USA, my country, and the global community at large. He's ineffective as a president but has galvanized the extremes of the right wing into action in a way we haven't seen in a long time. He actively fosters a divide in the nation, insulting people at every given chance and he has no capability to admit his own faults or wrong doings. He is an utterly unfit president, he is unfit for the responsibility, for the power, for the nation itself. He is about to strip away healthcare from millions, he's empowered the government to hand over the internet to the largest corporations in the world potentially stripping millions of a plausable method of speech in the coming decade. He's the worst thing to happen to politics in decades because he signals the rise of the demogague and people like the OP are literally going along with it without a serious critical thought from what I can tell. Blaming the dislike of Trump on inherit biases is stupid. I dislike him entirely based on his actions. [editline]26th June 2017[/editline] [QUOTE='[Jake];52404227']As a Trump supporter I couldn't make it very far down the comments without nearly cringing my lunch out of my gut. I'm going to do my best to remain leveled headed and present absent and critical information. Your comment stuck out especially because it is an inverse on reality. The origin of the list of countries came from the Obama administration. If this list had a title it would read 'terrorist funding and/or harboring nations'. Absent from the list are the 5 largest Muslim nations. It's easy to see when people have fallen victim to propaganda for example in your case you refer to this as a 'Muslim ban' when in fact the ban had nothing to do religion. The ban was also temporary. Most countries on the list were only to be barred for 90 days (a few for 180) which was idk 60-70 days ago?? Also I repeat, this list came from the previous administration. This was not an 'attack' by the Trump administration it was simply an "intellectually honest" way to address the problem that is radical Islamic terrorism.[/QUOTE] The list was not for a ban, Trump's re purposing of said list to enact a ban that's poorly legally supported is not a good argument for you to take. Do you also notice how the countries not on that list are some of Trumps primary trading partners as a commercial entity? Huh... See? This is the dishonesty people talk about. It's dishonesty by omission.

[QUOTE=Quark:;52401555]No, an administrative impeachment, justice being served, laws being enforced, and democracy being restored. Why put words into my mouth, friend?[/QUOTE] My bad. Just that there's been some talk of violent revolt, lately.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;52404337]If Trump was doing good things, I'd support him As it is Trump is actively malicious and actively trying to harm the USA, my country, and the global community at large.[/QUOTE] In a nutshell this is essentially the general viewpoint of FP. People here approved of him withdrawing from TPP and appointing Mattis so its clearly not like we hate him blindly.

[QUOTE=kyle877;52403940]Can you elaborate on how his fiscal policies make sense?[/QUOTE] He's dis-incentivizing exported labor and manufacturing, and bringing it back to our soil. For instance, if you look at a chart of TSLA it has been steadily going up since Trump was elected. Also look at the growth of Reno, NV. The U.S. is soon going to be a major manufacturer of Li-Ion batteries, and Trump is helping that move along smoothly. [QUOTE=Joshua-029;52404126][b]1.[/b] I think most people would disagree that he's a populist and is instead trying to further his own goals and the goals of the upper class. Do you agree or disagree with this statement? Either way could you elaborate? Do you believe he indeed has the best interests of common people in mind? [b]2.[/b] You mention supporting Trump, but then you also go on about "What I do care about is what he represents". Does this mean you don't support him, or do you simply care more about what he represents as opposed to who he is. Do you actually support him as a President or do you just like him in office since it'll, as Whitegirl88 said, "rattle the cage" and hopefully bring about a reformation of how we handle the office? [b]3.[/b] As an avid patriot, I can't be that happy with that, especially since it's happening due to us worsening our international relations and making bold almost selfish moves in the eyes of others, but again I can't really talk too much about this since I'm still very uninformed on politics. Are you happy because this will bring about reformation and force the US to finally start playing nice with the others, or do you wish to see the US change and fall into something else? Could you elaborate? [b]4.[/b] Could you explain/elaborate in more detail about what you support in his fiscal policies? I'm sorry if it comes off as an interrogation, but I'd just really like to have a discussion and try to learn more from the side that doesn't talk as much. I don't really have any political leanings myself, so don't think I have an agenda or I'm trying to change hearts and minds or something. [/QUOTE] [b]1.[/b] You are correct, but he is still a populist. It is simply a mode of political communication. [b]2.[/b] Yeah. I don't really support him per se. I'd rather have someone from the Pirate Party in office. But I think all this hate towards him is for the most part misinformed, just look at the dumb ratings I'll probably get with no real refuting of my points. All of the people who hate Trump always spew this rhetoric about racism without backing it up. [b]3.[/b] Like I said his fiscal policy is spot on, which is all that really matters. His social policy, in my opinion, is just him trying to get attention and promote his brand. Look at all of the people in this thread getting mad about the Muslim "ban" for instance. Mad misinformed people are going all over the internet saying he's deporting all Muslims and getting pissed off, and he gets free advertising. Same goes for the Mexico wall, that was just a way to get attention. [b]4.[/b] I answered this to kyle877.

I'm not as left-leaning as the majority of Facepunch but I still think that if you believe Trump to be anything else than a deluded piece of shit, you're either naive or lying to yourself. He may have a few misplaced good intentions but his continuous fuck-ups, small and massive, make him America's biggest laughstock throughout the world. The only people I've seen that support Trump are either dumb racists around the world, or Americans that have somehow gone through a long and more or less random process that eventually leads them to believe Trump is not half-bad. No one in their right mind outside of the USA would like Trump except for the memes.

[QUOTE=Joshua-029;52404126]Do you believe he has succeeded in rattling the cage?[/QUOTE] People get so up in arms about him, so yes! [QUOTE=Joshua-029;52404126]Are you pleased with him not being a politician or do you regret anything about him?[/QUOTE] I don't like how he made Mike Pence his running mate. I don't like his pro-life agenda being pushed down people's throats. I dislike his anti-weed policy. I want him to stay out of the Middle East. [QUOTE=Joshua-029;52404126]Did you vote for him or are you simply happy with the outcome?[/QUOTE] I voted for him in the general and primary elections. [QUOTE='[Jake];52404227']As a Trump supporter I couldn't make it very far down the comments without nearly cringing my lunch out of my gut. I'm going to do my best to remain leveled headed and present absent and critical information.[/QUOTE] Facepunch is so much left leaning that it's almost upside down.

[QUOTE=WhiteGirl88;52404877] Facepunch is so much left leaning that it's almost upside down.[/QUOTE] Not really the political compass of the right wing that supports Trump is so right wing, people like myself from a different country go "wow, that's literally not something that even our extremists would agree with".

[QUOTE='[Jake];52404227']As a Trump supporter I couldn't make it very far down the comments without nearly cringing my lunch out of my gut. I'm going to do my best to remain leveled headed and present absent and critical information. Your comment stuck out especially because it is an inverse on reality. The origin of the list of countries came from the Obama administration. If this list had a title it would read 'terrorist funding and/or harboring nations'. Absent from the list are the 5 largest Muslim nations. It's easy to see when people have fallen victim to propaganda for example in your case you refer to this as a 'Muslim ban' when in fact the ban had nothing to do religion. The ban was also temporary. Most countries on the list were only to be barred for 90 days (a few for 180) which was idk 60-70 days ago?? Also I repeat, this list came from the previous administration. This was not an 'attack' by the Trump administration it was simply an "intellectually honest" way to address the problem that is radical Islamic terrorism.[/QUOTE] "The ban had nothing to do with religion" except when Trump explicitly said it had to do with religion, then tasked his associates with finding a way to enforce this religious ban while skirting around its true purpose, which is what the data from the Obama administration is for. The only reason why it's based on something from Obama's time is to create a guise of legitimacy that allows for the exact argument you're making here. Not even a year ago, the muslim ban was a cornerstone of Trump rhetoric. It's terribly condescending, not to mention naive, that the Trump camp would choose to brush it under the rug, and seriously expect everyone else to forget that this is very much a religious ban.

[QUOTE=WhiteGirl88;52404877] Facepunch is so much left leaning that it's almost upside down.[/QUOTE] Greenland looks pretty southern from the North Pole.

Nope. The fact that he's nuts enough to lie about the size of his inauguration crowd gave me a sign that he wouldn't be a good president. [editline]26th June 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=YourBreakfsat;52403021]He pulled us out of the Paris Accords because he thought it was literally about giving Paris jobs, so fuck that idiot.[/QUOTE] I took pleasure in the fact he said he was elected to serve "Pittsburgh not Paris" to which Pittsburgh immediately responded by saying they would go along with the Paris Accord anyway. IIRC Pittsburgh overwhelmingly voted Clinton too.

I'm not really gonna add to the 'trump sux' trashfire because everyone else has already and that's what all these threads turn into. But I don't really like your comment on how Trump supporters ' don't inherently lack the ability to think critically and honestly' it's really underhanded and kinda makes your tone bleed from 'neutral' to '[i]condecendingly[/i] pretending to be neutral

[QUOTE=WhiteGirl88;52404877] Facepunch is so much left leaning that it's almost upside down.[/QUOTE] It's left leaning, but it's not that bad. Compared to Something Awful, r/politics, Neogaf, and the vast majority of general gaming message boards out there I find it's more moderate. It just might be your perspective is so far to the right that anything leftist looks radical.