Do you support Donald Trump or his policies? Are Trump supporters human? Answers here - General

[QUOTE=Sire Noodles;52417258]Well this is going to get a lot of hate but here it is. I'm not an American and i'm definitely not a genius in politics especially in the politics of the United States, but i do support Trump in the case about Muslims, being a Christian and a Chinese descendant in Indonesia is kinda hard, and i think its kinda funny how the minority in the United States hated Trump while the minority here i Indonesia fully support Trump (well at least for my family). [/QUOTE] So you think the guy who wants to oppress minorities is fucking awesome, despite the fact that you lament that being a minority is hard? Yeah, you should feel bad about yourself.

I'm an outsider, but just about the only thing I kinda agree with Trump on is the need to overhaul skilled immigration routes to the United states and move towards Canada's current system of a points-based system. For everything else, though, I think he's abominable.

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;52417487]So you think the guy who wants to oppress minorities is fucking awesome, despite the fact that you lament that being a minority is hard? Yeah, you should feel bad about yourself.[/QUOTE] [I]"But I didn't think they would eat MY face!"[/I] sobs woman who voted for the leopards-eating-people's-faces party.

[QUOTE=Reds;52417573][I]"But I didn't think they would eat MY face!"[/I] sobs woman who voted for the leopards-eating-people's-faces party.[/QUOTE] I don't care how many times this joke is repeated, or how old it gets, it will always be relevant.

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;52417487]So you think the guy who wants to oppress minorities is fucking awesome, despite the fact that you lament that being a minority is hard? Yeah, you should feel bad about yourself.[/QUOTE] No i don't believe that oppresion of minority is a good thing no matter who's the one getting oppressed, and i do apologize for what i have said, it's just, me and my family have gone through so much i just can't help but to be exited you know, and i'm sorry if this makes other people mad and yes i confess i am a terrible human being for feeling happy but it. [editline]30th June 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Dave_Parker;52417465]Could you elaborate?[/QUOTE] Some minority in Indonesia are people of Chinese descendants and most of them are Christian and well we don't realy get along with the majority and the relations between the two got even worse at May 1998 where everything turn into a major shitshow.

[QUOTE=Sire Noodles;52417258]I still remember the time when Trump was elected, i was with my big family celebrating my cousins birthday and the family cheered as hard as they can when the TV announced that Trump wins the election, and here comes the worst part i was so happy at that time i started to run to the balcony of the second floor and yelled YEEEHAAAW so fucking loud, it feel so FUCKING SATISFYING plus the Trump memes starts to pop out at the very same day which makes it even better.[/QUOTE] This alone highlights the major issues with your support of Trump. It's entirely focused on an emotional reaction and memes rather than anything resembling logical thought.

[QUOTE=Alice3173;52419800]This alone highlights the major issues with your support of Trump. It's entirely focused on an emotional reaction and memes rather than anything resembling logical thought.[/QUOTE] my coworker is the exact same way, he's just bought hook line and sinker into the memes and hilarity of it all and is just clueless otherwise. It's pretty terrifying. If that shit works on a canadian who isn't invested, I can't imagine how it affects people who are.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;52419822]my coworker is the exact same way, he's just bought hook line and sinker into the memes and hilarity of it all and is just clueless otherwise. It's pretty terrifying. If that shit works on a canadian who isn't invested, I can't imagine how it affects people who are.[/QUOTE] Didn't r/The_Donald start out as an ironic joke?

[QUOTE=BlindSniper17;52419887]Didn't r/The_Donald start out as an ironic joke?[/QUOTE] It did. It used to be a satirical shit-posting subreddit, even I participated in it a little bit tbh. It's sort of like /pol/ now. You can't tell whether or not they're just joking or actually serious. The subreddit is actually indicative of Trump supporters in general. You have people who: 1.) Have voted conservative their entire life and just voted for Trump because he's a Republican. 2.) In it for the ~~[I]memes[/I]~. 3.) Actual idiots that can't formulate their standing as to why they support him other than "he talks the talk and walks the walk!!!". 4.) Racist/sexist/xenophobic/Islamophobic/etc,. people (also not a majority of supporters, but they [I]definitely[/I] exist). 5.) Accelerationists (also somewhat pointing at #2). 6.) Also in it for the memes but regretted what they did. 7.) Voted for Trump's policies, but think he's personally a scumbag (but they won't say it). 8.) Likes Trump in general. I know plenty of conservatives that didn't vote for Trump. I personally fucking despise the dude. He has a garbage personality, is woefully uncharismatic, divided the nation when he promised he was going to mend it, is still talking about a useless wall that will do nothing to help us and will just cost billions of taxpayer money (no, Mexico won't pay for it, you fucking idiots), has pushed no major legislation since the beginning of his tenure (only repealing all the shit Obama has done), is a [I]complete[/I] hypocrite in all senses of the word, flip-flops on too many policies and stances (LGBT rights, climate change, etc, etc,.), has participated in completely awful passage of Obamacare repealment and "replacement", and on and on and on. The dude's approval rating is plummeting, and his disapproval rating is skyrocketing. He's a joke of a President, and a serious embarrassment to this nation.

I guess Tudd would be a 2

[QUOTE=Dave_Parker;52417465]Could you elaborate?[/QUOTE] I'm not from Chinese descent, but my grandparents are from Indonesia, and many of my family's acquaintances also have roots there, with some of their family members still living there, but lemme tell you this: Despite Indonesia supposedly being a moderate muslim country, it is not anywhere near a calm or worriless place to live especially if you are Christian or are part of a population group that had contacts with the Dutch before they left. Indonesian muslims are reverting back to their most bloodlusty behavior again too, or at least, those family acquaintances are talking about that from time to time. Last time, I spoke to one of them from the Maluku Islands, and he said that shit is about to hit the fan there again, just like in 1999 to 2002, that Jakarta wants to have another try to thin out the population there, purely because they aren't all devout muslims there. Which is a thorn in the side of current Jakarta and Aceh. And the latest news coming from Indonesia isn't too positive either. The radicals from Aceh apparently managed to increase their influence all the way to Jakarta now, to even the government. I thought it was already too far when they started caning elderly minority women for the haram crime of drinking beer (My grandparents say that drinking beer was considered very normal back when they lived there), and the whole case of a Christian governor getting jailed purely for his beliefs. And that is what some people here call a moderate muslim country these days. Despite them having a few mass murder events in the last few decades (such as the Bersiap after the Second World War (radical muslim leader decides to use the chaos after the Second World War ended to attempt a genocide of every non-muslim minority, which left tens of thousands killed in horrible ways), and the 1965-1966 purges/muderfests of anyone on the far left after a far-left/Communist coup failed. Admittingly, I need to read up more on what exactly happened then, it gets glossed over a lot in history) What does make a non-moderate muslim country then? Does anyone here want to answer that? And those countries complain about Trump banning a few countries which cannot account for their own citizens abroad. It's the most blatant double standard I can think of at the moment.

[QUOTE=Vodkavia;52427038]Can we please stop glossing things over? If he was just banning a few countries that would be one thing, you'd be fucking over [B]a lot of overwhelmingly innocent people[/B] over some paranoid fantasy while in reality the threat of right wing terrorism has eclipsed the threat of jihadists and most terrorists are home grown, but the man has made it very, very clear that the Ban is aimed squarely at their religion, but less publicly we know it just so conveniently avoids some countries that he not only has business ties to but are huge supporters of terrorism. So no the ban is quadruple turbo shit bad. 1. Isn't geared towards risk assessment at all. 2. fucks over innocent people 3. Incites further social divisions 4. exposes his own double standards and corruption.[/QUOTE] None of those countries could vet or wanted to vet their own citizens before they could travel abroad. As in, another country, such as America, has no way of knowing who they are exactly letting in. Assuming that everyone who comes in has good intentions is horribly, horribly naive and shortsighted. I don't see where it is evil to put the safety of your own people and your own country first even if it means looking mean to a few other countries. Trump's proposal makes more sense to me than the current approach Western Europe has, which is to just take anyone in who is on the Mediterranean Sea while not even knowing who the hell those people are, where they came from, and why they are making a rush to Europe. The strangest thing is, that apparently they are coming as far as fucking Bangladesh for whatever reason. But we have to take them all in because we don't want to look mean for whatever reason. Even if we damn well know that the sheer majority of them are economical illegal immigrants who aren't fleeing a warzone at all and around 90% of the recent immigrants are young adult males from subsaharan Africa. Even if we damn well know that the majority of those people will never either integrate or work here. They are just here to take advantage of Western Europe's very graceful social handouts. And to think, that those Western Europe's leaders opened those borders up a few years ago because they, and their allied media outlets, fed the European citizens the lie that those people would pay for their pensions and that they would integrate properly. In my opinion, it's the biggest lie told on the European continent since the Munich Agreement. They damn well knew looking at the statistics even before the immigrant crisis that those people we let in en masse, even those that have been here for decades from the very same countries, would never work a single day in their lives here. Especially those from Subsaharan Africa. To the native European populations, especially in Southern Europe, with their youth having astounding rates of joblessness, they told them that they just had to deal with low-end jobs disappearing and that the lower-end Europeans had to deal with that.... While the EU lets in millions of people who the EU claims that they will do the lower-end jobs instead of whom they told the Europeans that those jobs weren't simply there. It's fucking ridiculous how a big part of the west puts misplaced altruism above the well-being and economic situation of their actual citizens. And I gotta give Trump that, he is putting his country first while not falling for the same misplaced altruism and worthless virtue-signalling the Western European leaders and many politicians there are so fond of these days. No wonder that those Western European leaders don't get along with Trump, he is the total opposite they are, right down on his willingness for quick, decisive actions to be taken instead of having to deal with endless bureaucratic bullshit like in Brussels. But it does give way to a possible and fairly unexpected power shift within Europe, seeing as the leaders of Eastern European countries, and especially the Visegrad Group, who are also staunch opponents of virtually unlimited illegal immigration, seem to be rather in favor of Trump, to the point that Trump is apparently meeting up with them in Poland a few days before this year's G20 Conference. With all that said, I see Trump as a very interesting way to get the Western world in general out of the utter stalling rut they have been in over the past few years.

*takes a hard breath* wow reading that out loud irl is hard Wish people used paragraphs :( [QUOTE=Sire Noodles;52417714].[/QUOTE] as a note, just because the president is christian you shouldn't cheer for them most republicans in power make for really really bad Christians that follow an insanely loose definition of the bible and just kind of fuck people over because "that's the way the good lord wanted it! Christian nation!"

[QUOTE=Jordax;52427434]None of those countries could vet or wanted to vet their own citizens before they could travel abroad. As in, another country, such as America, has no way of knowing who they are exactly letting in. Assuming that everyone who comes in has good intentions is horribly, horribly naive and shortsighted. I don't see where it is evil to put the safety of your own people and your own country first even if it means looking mean to a few other countries. Trump's proposal makes more sense to me than the current approach Western Europe has, which is to just take anyone in who is on the Mediterranean Sea while not even knowing who the hell those people are, where they came from, and why they are making a rush to Europe. The strangest thing is, that apparently they are coming as far as fucking Bangladesh for whatever reason. But we have to take them all in because we don't want to look mean for whatever reason. Even if we damn well know that the sheer majority of them are economical illegal immigrants who aren't fleeing a warzone at all and around 90% of the recent immigrants are young adult males from subsaharan Africa. Even if we damn well know that the majority of those people will never either integrate or work here. They are just here to take advantage of Western Europe's very graceful social handouts. And to think, that those Western Europe's leaders opened those borders up a few years ago because they, and their allied media outlets, fed the European citizens the lie that those people would pay for their pensions and that they would integrate properly. In my opinion, it's the biggest lie told on the European continent since the Munich Agreement. They damn well knew looking at the statistics even before the immigrant crisis that those people we let in en masse, even those that have been here for decades from the very same countries, would never work a single day in their lives here. Especially those from Subsaharan Africa. To the native European populations, especially in Southern Europe, with their youth having astounding rates of joblessness, they told them that they just had to deal with low-end jobs disappearing and that the lower-end Europeans had to deal with that.... While the EU lets in millions of people who the EU claims that they will do the lower-end jobs instead of whom they told the Europeans that those jobs weren't simply there. It's fucking ridiculous how a big part of the west puts misplaced altruism above the well-being and economic situation of their actual citizens. And I gotta give Trump that, he is putting his country first while not falling for the same misplaced altruism and worthless virtue-signalling the Western European leaders and many politicians there are so fond of these days. No wonder that those Western European leaders don't get along with Trump, he is the total opposite they are, right down on his willingness for quick, decisive actions to be taken instead of having to deal with endless bureaucratic bullshit like in Brussels. But it does give way to a possible and fairly unexpected power shift within Europe, seeing as the leaders of Eastern European countries, and especially the Visegrad Group, who are also staunch opponents of virtually unlimited illegal immigration, seem to be rather in favor of Trump, to the point that Trump is apparently meeting up with them in Poland a few days before this year's G20 Conference. With all that said, I see Trump as a very interesting way to get the Western world in general out of the utter stalling rut they have been in over the past few years.[/QUOTE] this post would be easier to read if you split it into two or three blocks, just sayin'

[QUOTE=Jordax;52427434]None of those countries could vet or wanted to vet their own citizens before they could travel abroad. As in, another country, such as America, has no way of knowing who they are exactly letting in. Assuming that everyone who comes in has good intentions is horribly, horribly naive and shortsighted. I don't see where it is evil to put the safety of your own people and your own country first even if it means looking mean to a few other countries. Trump's proposal makes more sense to me than the current approach Western Europe has, which is to just take anyone in who is on the Mediterranean Sea while not even knowing who the hell those people are, where they came from, and why they are making a rush to Europe. The strangest thing is, that apparently they are coming as far as fucking Bangladesh for whatever reason. But we have to take them all in because we don't want to look mean for whatever reason. Even if we damn well know that the sheer majority of them are economical illegal immigrants who aren't fleeing a warzone at all and around 90% of the recent immigrants are young adult males from subsaharan Africa. Even if we damn well know that the majority of those people will never either integrate or work here. They are just here to take advantage of Western Europe's very graceful social handouts. And to think, that those Western Europe's leaders opened those borders up a few years ago because they, and their allied media outlets, fed the European citizens the lie that those people would pay for their pensions and that they would integrate properly. In my opinion, it's the biggest lie told on the European continent since the Munich Agreement. They damn well knew looking at the statistics even before the immigrant crisis that those people we let in en masse, even those that have been here for decades from the very same countries, would never work a single day in their lives here. Especially those from Subsaharan Africa. To the native European populations, especially in Southern Europe, with their youth having astounding rates of joblessness, they told them that they just had to deal with low-end jobs disappearing and that the lower-end Europeans had to deal with that.... While the EU lets in millions of people who the EU claims that they will do the lower-end jobs instead of whom they told the Europeans that those jobs weren't simply there. It's fucking ridiculous how a big part of the west puts misplaced altruism above the well-being and economic situation of their actual citizens. And I gotta give Trump that, he is putting his country first while not falling for the same misplaced altruism and worthless virtue-signalling the Western European leaders and many politicians there are so fond of these days. No wonder that those Western European leaders don't get along with Trump, he is the total opposite they are, right down on his willingness for quick, decisive actions to be taken instead of having to deal with endless bureaucratic bullshit like in Brussels. But it does give way to a possible and fairly unexpected power shift within Europe, seeing as the leaders of Eastern European countries, and especially the Visegrad Group, who are also staunch opponents of virtually unlimited illegal immigration, seem to be rather in favor of Trump, to the point that Trump is apparently meeting up with them in Poland a few days before this year's G20 Conference. With all that said, I see Trump as a very interesting way to get the Western world in general out of the utter stalling rut they have been in over the past few years.[/QUOTE] I think the situation is already damaged beyond repair. For instance, look at the SF Bay Area. Tons of foreigners with H-1B's getting flown out here because it's cheaper, forcing the people who have lived in the area for generations (and made those areas great to begin with) to relocate. There's no way to reverse that, the culture has already been destroyed.

[QUOTE=Not64;52429875]I think the situation is already damaged beyond repair. For instance, look at the SF Bay Area. Tons of foreigners with H-1B's getting flown out here because it's cheaper, forcing the people who have lived in the area for generations (and made those areas great to begin with) to relocate. There's no way to reverse that, the culture has already been destroyed.[/QUOTE] Besides absurdly expensive rent I think San Francisco is doing fine.

You don't even live there. How can you say that?

[QUOTE=Not64;52429889]You don't even live there. How can you say that?[/QUOTE] Well you haven't really convinced me otherwise. Do you have any proof of what you're claiming?

[QUOTE=TheFilmSlacker;52428238]The only people I know who still support Trump have a very cult-like mindset regarding him, and most of the people I know who voted for him regret doing it. But tbh if you couldn't see any of his actions coming, you're a fucking idiot. The man can't even string a sentence together properly.[/QUOTE] Plenty are willfully ignorant as well. My best friend voted for Trump but he couldn't be bothered to do any research at all. He knew exactly shit all about any of Trump's policies and simply defaulted to him because he was the Republican candidate. (His family are socially liberal Republicans.) And two of my other friends who I'm pretty sure didn't vote (because they're both some of the laziest and most apathetic people I've ever met) thought he was clearly the better choice between him and Clinton because they fell for the bullshit rhetoric and just took it at face value.

[QUOTE=Lambeth;52429901]Well you haven't really convinced me otherwise. Do you have any proof of what you're claiming?[/QUOTE] Why is the burden of proof on me? You're the one that doesn't live here. My family has lived in San Jose since 1963.

[QUOTE=Dave_Parker;52428222]Why would you read that out loud irl lmao [editline]3rd July 2017[/editline] Don't tell your mom on us :([/QUOTE] I read out every single post I see automatically even when in public [editline]3rd July 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=TheFilmSlacker;52428238]The only people I know who still support Trump have a very cult-like mindset regarding him, and most of the people I know who voted for him regret doing it. But tbh if you couldn't see any of his actions coming, you're a fucking idiot. The man can't even string a sentence together properly.[/QUOTE] The "its bad if liberals do it" crowd are grating and terrible as shit

[QUOTE=Not64;52429921]Why is the burden of proof on me? You're the one that doesn't live here. My family has lived in San Jose since 1963.[/QUOTE] Because you made the claim. If you can't prove cultural decline then why claim the San Fran culture has declined?

The burden of proof is always on the claimant. I too have know many people, they live in San Fransisco. But using anecdote is just as useless as you using your family for purpose of such overarching claims. Cite research instead.

I don't live in san francisco but I visited it once during a day long layover and it was lovely.

[QUOTE=Not64;52429875]I think the situation is already damaged beyond repair. For instance, look at the SF Bay Area. Tons of foreigners with H-1B's getting flown out here because it's cheaper, forcing the people who have lived in the area for generations (and made those areas great to begin with) to relocate. There's no way to reverse that, the culture has already been destroyed.[/QUOTE] That's a dumb way to look at it. Tech companies cherish the H-1B program because it brings a lot of brainpower from abroad. In fact, companies from Google to no-name consulting companies have lobbied and asked for an increase to the program for years. It's not cheaper for companies, because it usually turns out that companies pay [I]higher wages[/I] to H-1B employees than regular, domestic ones. Why? Because companies aren't looking for "anyone from the US only", they're looking for specialists that can do the best in their respective field. If it turns out that the company requires to look abroad for an ideal candidate, that shouldn't be at fault with the immigration program, but other factors. Is the program perfect, however? No. But it should be more regulated, not removed entirely. [url]http://www.sfchronicle.com/business/article/Big-tech-firms-pay-H-1B-workers-more-than-11061733.php[/url] The SF Bay Area is in desperate need for top-level senior programmers, systems engineers, and on and on. Don't blame immigrants for the rising needs of companies.

[QUOTE=Omilinon;52429938]That's a dumb way to look at it. Tech companies cherish the H-1B program because it brings a lot of brainpower from abroad. In fact, companies from Google to no-name consulting companies have lobbied and asked for an increase to the program for years. It's not cheaper for companies, because it usually turns out that companies pay [I]higher wages[/I] to H-1B employees than regular, domestic ones. Why? Because companies aren't looking for "anyone from the US only", they're looking for specialists that can do the best in their respective field. If it turns out that the company requires to look abroad for an ideal candidate, that shouldn't be at fault with the immigration program, but other factors. Is the program perfect, however? No. But it should be more regulated, not removed entirely. [url]http://www.sfchronicle.com/business/article/Big-tech-firms-pay-H-1B-workers-more-than-11061733.php[/url] The SF Bay Area is in desperate need for top-level senior programmers, systems engineers, and on and on. Don't blame immigrants for the rising needs of companies.[/QUOTE] I wasn't blaming H-1B Visas. I was simply giving an anecdote to supplement Jordax's claim.

[QUOTE=Alice3173;52429915]He knew exactly shit all about any of Trump's policies and simply defaulted to him because he was the Republican candidate. (His family are socially liberal Republicans.)[/QUOTE] They're really not if they voted Republican this election.

[QUOTE=DChapsfield;52429974]They're really not if they voted Republican this election.[/QUOTE] Honestly I wouldn't really consider them Republicans to begin with even though they identify as Republicans. They're just fiscally conservative and that's really where what they have in common with Republicans stops. They're not religious, they are pro-legalized marijuana, they're fine with LGBT people, etc.

[QUOTE=Not64;52429958]I wasn't blaming H-1B Visas. I was simply giving an anecdote to supplement Jordax's claim.[/QUOTE] But I don't understand your anecdote. Jordax is claiming that Europe's refugee crisis has led to "lazy immigrants that wouldn't do a day of work in their life", as well as remarking the grand shortage of low-paying jobs. The SF Bay Area situation is extremely different. Tech companies are actively looking out for [I]mid- to high-level[/I] specialists in their respective fields, and they hire those persons to work and do their thing. The "loss of culture" isn't due to foreigners, but the rapidly-increasing costs of living there, as a result of the "tech-homogenization" that's been happening there ever since the inception of the dotcom bubble. It's due to that in which San Francisco is finally having a drain of talent (requiring the need of those H-1B immigrants), while still releasing exorbitant prices for everything in the area (leading to more locals who are poorer/lower middle-class to leave, especially younger people/millenials). It's unfortunately the problem with the "digital diaspora" that comes along with any economy. For instance, Seattle, which was a hotspot for a lot of immigration from areas such as SF Bay, has been steadily growing in the tech industry, which is a great thing. However, now it's taking a turn of effects of income inequality. [QUOTE]Seattle has been adding a lot of tech jobs the last couple years, giving rise to a large tech migration. However, there have been mixed feelings about the city’s growth. This influx of new jobs has brought many benefits to Seattle’s economy. Yet, over the same period Seattle has grown more unequal, with the portion of families’ incomes at the high and low ends increasing and those in the middle-income range decreasing. New homes are being built in Seattle to accommodate some of this growth, but the majority are higher-end homes at expensive price points. This has been a trend for years now. In 2010, the average new construction condo cost 50 percent more than the average existing ones. In 2015, new condos cost more than twice as much as existing condos.[/QUOTE] [URL="https://www.redfin.com/blog/2016/06/people-are-still-fleeing-the-bay-area-but-the-places-theyre-moving-to-have-changed.html"]Source[/URL] When you have an area that's full to the brim of high-level tech industry, there's going to be disproportionate income inequality between those in that ruling "class", and basically everyone else.

[QUOTE=Omilinon;52430014]But I don't understand your anecdote.[/QUOTE] The key thing to focus on is "I think the situation is already damaged beyond repair." in response to "I see Trump as a very interesting way to get the Western world in general out of the utter stalling rut they have been in over the past few years." I agree with everything you're saying, but it's not relevant. My anecdote was simply a parallel. The original Silicon Valley culture is dead and can never come back. Similarly, the idea of a closed border is dead and can never come back (imo).