[QUOTE=Zenreon117;43864055]I suppose it would be helpful to clarify objective purpose as meaning something that tends towards something else whether or not you believe it to be so.[/QUOTE]
If you are using that definition of purpose then your position holds, but that's not a definition I agree with or feel is particularly useful. I would agree with any of the ones pulled up by Google:
[QUOTE=Google]noun
1. the reason for which something is done or created or for which something exists.
2. a person's sense of resolve or determination.
verb
3. have as one's intention or objective.[/QUOTE]
None of those apply to life in general, except the first which may be defined by a god if one exists. All three can apply to people on a subjective individual basis by assigning one's own purpose, and the first can be assigned to an entity constructed by a person.
Defining purpose as just "tending towards" eradicates any useful meaning, and to be honest it just seems like you chose to define it as such to ensure your argument didn't collapse.
There is a hypersphere to living.
All evidence points toward No. Find your own purpose. I'd suggest any of the varied fields of science.
[QUOTE=wooletang;43802277]Personally, I find that there is almost no point in living, other than to see it all through to the end. There is beauty in the journey, and there is certainly excitement and fun to be had, but ultimately, everything we do (as a society, as individuals, as a race) will disappear. Does that make it all meaningless, or is there an alternative to this nihilistic lens I see the world through?
I am a humanistic atheist. I also reject the idea of a life after this one. I say that in order to give a basis for argument, not to come across as a brat.[/QUOTE]
Well i guess it would depend on who the person is. Cause each of us has Different perspective about life.
Ex. A guy who was raised on the slums, dreaming that he would work hard to get out of the slums and live a good life. Maybe for a guy who has everything his purpose is to enjoy what he has for him to be happy?
[QUOTE=wooletang;43802277]Personally, I find that there is almost no point in living, other than to see it all through to the end. There is beauty in the journey, and there is certainly excitement and fun to be had, but ultimately, everything we do (as a society, as individuals, as a race) will disappear. Does that make it all meaningless, or is there an alternative to this nihilistic lens I see the world through?
I am a humanistic atheist. I also reject the idea of a life after this one. I say that in order to give a basis for argument, not to come across as a brat.[/QUOTE]
I guess it would be to advance further, and to make a change
Everything good and everything bad you do has a butterfly effect. Kill one person, and in a thousand years you killed a thousand people. Save one person, in a thousand years you saved a thousand people, and who knows, maybe you saved somebody who will make massive advances in technology.
I don't think we will disappear in the end. By the time the sun burns out or whatever happens, we should have the technology to move to another solar system. If something else happens, like if robot Hitler plants a bomb in the core of the Earth or something, that would be the only way the human race could totally die out.
I don't see that there is a point to life. We are simply going to die in the end, but you may as well try to have fun while you can, at least make those seventy odd years worthwhile.
I guess you could call me an existential nihilist.
Not going to bring my personal views from religion into this, because that would be irrelevant for those who disagree with me.
I think there definitely is a point to living. Even making one person happy does something to you and those around you. Of course, those people will die eventually as well, but you might inspire them to do something good to someone else. Good works sometimes work like a spiderweb. And that might last for multiple generations.
However if you're taking the entire being of humanity, from start to finish, from beginning of the human race to the end, I really can't say that there's anything IN the existence of humanity that's going to matter on a non-spiritual level.
Haha, hoho, heehee. I mean seriously, I haven't checked the whole thread, but this is all very silly.
The reason for the ambiguity in the question: "Is there point to Living?", isn't because of etc... its because the word "point" in this question isn't being well defined. You could assume it means "purpose". Purpose is the reason for which something is done, or exists.
So the question now reduces to: "Why do we live?".
Easy, you can point to the existence of the universe. The end. Thread's over, go home everybody. Please don't reply to this, just accept it and move on. Goodbye.
Hello.
I am raised in a little community that teaches you that during your life you should learn everything possible and then apply that knowledge. The purpose of humans is not to just breed, like the animals, but to leave your "mark" on the world, your and everyone's purpose is to be noticed! You should make the world know you and remember you, you should leave your trails everywhere and write your name on every stone you come across!
I hope everyone, including me, help you at least realise that life can be sometimes tough, but whether it was made up by God or those who surround you, you should get over it.
[QUOTE=Pookaball;44146948]Hello.
I am raised in a little community that teaches you that during your life you should learn everything possible and then apply that knowledge. The purpose of humans is not to just breed, like the animals, but to leave your "mark" on the world, your and everyone's purpose is to be noticed! You should make the world know you and remember you, you should leave your trails everywhere and write your name on every stone you come across!
I hope everyone, including me, help you at least realise that life can be sometimes tough, but whether it was made up by God or those who surround you, you should get over it.[/QUOTE]
So then...what's the point of being remembered? How long do have to remembered for it to count? What if you'd live happily on your own?
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[QUOTE=mochisushi;44133734]Haha, hoho, heehee. I mean seriously, I haven't checked the whole thread, but this is all very silly.
The reason for the ambiguity in the question: "Is there point to Living?", isn't because of etc... its because the word "point" in this question isn't being well defined. You could assume it means "purpose". Purpose is the reason for which something is done, or exists.
So the question now reduces to: "Why do we live?".
Easy, you can point to the existence of the universe. The end. Thread's over, go home everybody. Please don't reply to this, just accept it and move on. Goodbye.[/QUOTE]
That just brings you to ask why there's a universe.
You know that's not what OP means.
ps. are you Malay or Chinese?
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I always thought that with life, the journey was the reward. You get to make people you like happy, and have stories to tell, or even try to make things better for the people that come after you.
That's really the reason I don't believe in God, is that it would make me uneasy to think that a diety that could do anything and control everything, let's people die at the age of 11, or get terminal illnesses, or even have anxiety about every day things. I mean I get that it's all punishent for Adam's sin, but fuck, it's been 2K years, general punishment makes no sense.
I just prefer to think that people with bad lives had bad choices made for them or they made bad choices, or just plain had bad luck.
[QUOTE=mochisushi;44157078]Why do seagulls fly? You could say that they have wings, or you can say that they fly so that they don't need to swim. You could give an infinite different answers that are all technically correct to explain "why" seagulls fly. You could causally link anything to seagulls being able to fly. This question is too ambiguous, just like the OP's question. So instead of asking "what created the universe?" (because then something would have needed to create the thing that created the universe), just leave the question alone. Seagulls fly, we get it, move on. Ethnicity doesn't matter, does it? Not saying you're nosey, but it doesn't matter, really. As you might be able to tell from my answers to other threads, I'm extremely nihilistic.[/QUOTE]
Nah, I'm just curious about people from Malaysia.
To subjectively assert purpose, we must become who we want to be, create meaning beyond determinism. The beauty behind being alive is finding right partner, right occupation, right medical care and having a developed sense of spiritualism.
The point of living? You make your own. If you don't have one you're probably suicidal.
My "point" is watching this crazy world develop. Outside that I have no reason to live -_-
There can be point(s) to living if you make some. If you don't feel like there's a point then there is none. I think the latter is a boring way to live though. For me, life is fun when you have goals and things you work towards.
TL;DR, Hopefully someone has said this before me,
There is always a point to living, everything happens for a reason.
The decisions you make, may just change someones course in their lives.
However on a broader scale. What is the point of life? Who the fuck knows, we are here through complete chance, complete [I]luck[/I], and yet of course, we fight over differences, rather than unite on our similarities. We commit self-destruction over money, power and greed. Same old story.
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The only thing we learn from history, is that we never learn from history.
Realistically no, not really. People can constantly speculate on their beliefs, but it all boils down to what you make of living.
I think that since we ourselves are limited and because we are conscious of this, we seek more to satiate this part of ourselves as a means to meet a higher goal. There is a reason to everything, it's a natural pattern of order. It is hard to come across something that doesn't have a reason behind its existence (life, planets, universe, etc), so it seems a bit puzzling to find that there isn't a reason behind something. That's my belief anyway, so make of it what you will!
Here's my answer, simplified and stripped:
By some luck, the perfect environment was created for humans.
Humans developed, and long story short, here we are now thriving.
Now, like Inigo said, rationally there is no point.
But, we have suitable conditions and a long time before, hopefully, anything that can make us extinct will happen. So I say, for now our point of living is just striving and taking advantage of the luck that we were created in a perfect environment with good minds.
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