Woman suffering from epilepsy held against her will by hospital in rural Kentucky. - General

[QUOTE=BigOwl;31838638]If he wants to take her home he should have that fucking right, regardless of what is healthier for the patient.[/QUOTE] And if she goes home and kills herself then the blame would be placed right back on the hospital. I can understand the man being upset and angry at the situation, as I would be too. But instead of placing himself in a Steven Seagal movie he could of waited and calmly explained the situation to the doctor that made the diagnoses. Hospitals have these policys in place for safety not for patient convince.

This makes my blood boil. Also, it was one of the most intense videos I've ever seen.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;31832547]So what the hospital can kidnap you for 72 hours if the doctor says you are suicidal? I'm guessing it's not based on any psychology test or anything like that? Seriously, what the fuck?[/QUOTE] Here to hold someone legally the person needs to be actively trying to kill themselves, and that's only until a psychiatric review by two independent psychiatrists can be performed. Both need to agree before a longer, 72-hour hold can be placed on someone. An alternative is to get a judge to do it, but that'll likely only happen if the cops stop you in the midst of a suicide attempt.

I just got done reading every single individual post in this thread, and i have got to say this: I don't understand your guys' reasoning. I understand your arguments, but what do you guys think holding an attempted suicide "victim" for 72 hours is going to do? Change their hole entire life? Their entire thought process? Make them suddenly realize that maybe suicide is wrong? Why? If someone has gone their whole life suffering from depression and already attempted suicide 4 times, why would being kidnapped for 72 hours suddenly change them? What's stopping them from just shooting themselves in the head as soon as they get back home? If i must say, being held against my will for 3 days would only make matters worse. Would only piss me off more. How could you guys think that it would be a good idea? Sure, MAYBE it will give them time to cool off so they don't cause harm to other people around them, like in this video (If being held captive doesn't piss you off more(which it would)), but what happens 3 days later, when the drugs wear off, and you get another wave of depression? All it did was delay what she WANTS to happen. Simple solution: When you're an automotive mechanic, like me, and a tool brakes and slices you open, bandage it yourself so you don't lose your job being held against your will. If you're trying to suicide, jump off a building or shoot yourself, otherwise they will just fix the damage and make you even more depressed by locking you in a fucking room, drugged to shit. Side note: My dad recently had a heart attack, instead of treating him immediately, IN THE EMERGENCY ROOM!, we had to wait in the waiting room for [b]9 HOURS![/b], as he was suffering in pain, before they would even TOUCH him to make sure he wouldn't crash. Who were the people around us waiting for? Well. One family brought a kid with lockjaw. Hardly life threatening. I'll never go to a hospital again, and if i have to for some emergency, I'll make sure my dad brings the .45 he has a concealed to carry so that if they try and hold me against my will because the wrench slipped, I can just fucking leave. Fuck that shit. [editline]20th August 2011[/editline] Rate dumb all you want because "Law is Law" "Rules are Rules", I don't give a fuck, it's like holding someone against their will, it's not going to change them. If someone kidnaps me and locks me in a room, you better be damn sure my ass is going to be the one that breaks magnetic sealed doors open, and I won't be mister nice guy that lets the security guards push me around, either. I'll get the chairs around and bash them in the fucking head. I don't care if it's for my "safety" or not, I will refuse to EVER be treated as a prisoner, under any circumstances. If that leads to me being tackled by policemen and thrown in jail, so be it. At least then I'll be held for a valid fucking reason.

Regardless of whoever was right or wrong, that guy was pretty brave and that video was pretty awesome to see in first-person perspective.

[QUOTE=Source;31840618]wrong every action must be taken within the patients interest they are the ones that need help the most after all.[/QUOTE] That's taking away someone's civil liberties. If they have a fit legal guardian and a safe, stable place to be, they should be able to leave. Period. [editline]21st August 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=justin1992;31855491]I just got done reading every single individual post in this thread, and i have got to say this: I don't understand your guys' reasoning. I understand your arguments, but what do you guys think holding an attempted suicide "victim" for 72 hours is going to do? Change their hole entire life? Their entire thought process? Make them suddenly realize that maybe suicide is wrong? Why? If someone has gone their whole life suffering from depression and already attempted suicide 4 times, why would being kidnapped for 72 hours suddenly change them? What's stopping them from just shooting themselves in the head as soon as they get back home? If i must say, being held against my will for 3 days would only make matters worse. Would only piss me off more. How could you guys think that it would be a good idea? Sure, MAYBE it will give them time to cool off so they don't cause harm to other people around them, like in this video (If being held captive doesn't piss you off more(which it would)), but what happens 3 days later, when the drugs wear off, and you get another wave of depression? All it did was delay what she WANTS to happen. Simple solution: When you're an automotive mechanic, like me, and a tool brakes and slices you open, bandage it yourself so you don't lose your job being held against your will. If you're trying to suicide, jump off a building or shoot yourself, otherwise they will just fix the damage and make you even more depressed by locking you in a fucking room, drugged to shit. Side note: My dad recently had a heart attack, instead of treating him immediately, IN THE EMERGENCY ROOM!, we had to wait in the waiting room for [b]9 HOURS![/b], as he was suffering in pain, before they would even TOUCH him to make sure he wouldn't crash. Who were the people around us waiting for? Well. One family brought a kid with lockjaw. Hardly life threatening. I'll never go to a hospital again, and if i have to for some emergency, I'll make sure my dad brings the .45 he has a concealed to carry so that if they try and hold me against my will because the wrench slipped, I can just fucking leave. Fuck that shit. [editline]20th August 2011[/editline] Rate dumb all you want because "Law is Law" "Rules are Rules", I don't give a fuck, it's like holding someone against their will, it's not going to change them. If someone kidnaps me and locks me in a room, you better be damn sure my ass is going to be the one that breaks magnetic sealed doors open, and I won't be mister nice guy that lets the security guards push me around, either. I'll get the chairs around and bash them in the fucking head. I don't care if it's for my "safety" or not, I will refuse to EVER be treated as a prisoner, under any circumstances. If that leads to me being tackled by policemen and thrown in jail, so be it. At least then I'll be held for a valid fucking reason.[/QUOTE] You didn't read my post then :v:

no private institution should have the right to keep someone against their will, period

[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;31856137]no private institution should have the right to keep someone against their will, period[/QUOTE] What about public ones? Can Ronald hold me up in the Mcdonald's bathroom?

that was really hard to watch...

[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;31856137]no private institution should have the right to keep someone against their will, period[/QUOTE] Utah WWASP camps. There was a thread about it.

[QUOTE=BigOwl;31856292]What about public ones? Can Ronald hold me up in the Mcdonald's bathroom?[/QUOTE] a mcdonald's is a private business [editline]21st August 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Wilford Brimley;31856705]Utah WWASP camps. There was a thread about it.[/QUOTE] i've read about those, it's fucking terrible

[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;31856759]a mcdonald's is a private business [editline]21st August 2011[/editline] i've read about those, it's fucking terrible[/QUOTE] Did I say differently?

[quote]“I finally got a straight story from her mom and Grandma that she has tried to commit suicide three times before, and I was tricked by her old man and her into going to the hospital for her.[/quote] You guys are fucking thick. You make arguments regarding the the situation in the video and when proven wrong, state that the argument still stands for any other situation. It doesn't matter, the hospital was right. Get over it.

[QUOTE=Tetsmega;31857090]You guys are fucking thick. You make arguments regarding the the situation in the video and when proven wrong, state that the argument still stands for any other situation. It doesn't matter, the hospital was right. Get over it.[/QUOTE] She's suicidal. What's the hospital going to do? Hold her there forever, because they can't let her back into the world? Locking somebody up because you feel you know what's good for them isn't a good solution by any means. Either you hold them there for a long time, which is really no different from killing them day by day, or you let them back into society and they kill themselves. I'm fine with a hospital holding somebody if there is solid evidence that it was a suicide attempt, or if the person admitted themselves. But I have a fair amount of experience with hospitals, and every time I went with even the smallest amount of epinepherine (OTC asthma drug) or hydrocodone (legally prescribed for chronic coughing), my entire visit was nothing but a bombardment of doctors trying to rip the "truth" out of me, trying to get me to admit that I'm doing heroin and speed, and to make me "admit" that my mother was in on it too. It was sick and humiliating. The same thing happened when my mother had a pancreatic attack, she takes painkillers for a spinal injury, and the doctors were so adamant that she was abusing them, they sent her to a psychiatric facility for several weeks, and tried to involve child protective services with me. In the end, my mother lost her job, we lost our house, and we were scared shitless of them trying to take me away from my mother. I don't know the entire case of this particular story here, but I do know that this happens a lot, and I really, really don't believe that hospitals should have the power to ruin somebody's life just because of a vague possibility of a suicide attempt or drug abuse. And that's my two cents.

[QUOTE=BigOwl;31856891]Did I say differently?[/QUOTE] You asked about non-private businesses and used McDonald's as an example, so yes.

[QUOTE=Tetsmega;31857090]You guys are fucking thick. You make arguments regarding the the situation in the video and when proven wrong, state that the argument still stands for any other situation. It doesn't matter, the hospital was right. Get over it.[/QUOTE] no the hospital is not right for kidnapping a suicidal person. kidnapping is wrong, period.

[QUOTE=lorden;31857288]She's suicidal. What's the hospital going to do? Hold her there forever, because they can't let her back into the world?[/QUOTE] You do realize that the detainment was to determine whether she was suicidal or not right? [editline]21st August 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=yawmwen;31857353]no the hospital is not right for kidnapping a suicidal person. kidnapping is wrong, period.[/QUOTE] lol no. Read the story. She went to the hospital and they detained her. Way to be gullible and think an opinion is fact.

[QUOTE=justin1992;31855491]I just got done reading every single individual post in this thread, and i have got to say this: I don't understand your guys' reasoning. I understand your arguments, but what do you guys think holding an attempted suicide "victim" for 72 hours is going to do? Change their hole entire life? Their entire thought process? Make them suddenly realize that maybe suicide is wrong? Why? If someone has gone their whole life suffering from depression and already attempted suicide 4 times, why would being kidnapped for 72 hours suddenly change them? What's stopping them from just shooting themselves in the head as soon as they get back home? If i must say, being held against my will for 3 days would only make matters worse. Would only piss me off more. How could you guys think that it would be a good idea? Sure, MAYBE it will give them time to cool off so they don't cause harm to other people around them, like in this video (If being held captive doesn't piss you off more(which it would)), but what happens 3 days later, when the drugs wear off, and you get another wave of depression? All it did was delay what she WANTS to happen. [/QUOTE] The three days is to determine if she is suicidal or not, and if she is the proper medication and treatment can be administered. Hospitals have protocols in place like this for a reason.

[QUOTE=Jurikuer;31831280]That's fucked up. Though honestly, I probably would have fought harder. It's a case that can go back and forth and ultimately go on the side of the patients family. Despite having the law say they can hold her for 72 hours, they have no reason to believe she is suicidal and did not understand the simplicity of the situation that she was epileptic. Something that would be in her health records. For a hospital to hold someone prisoner based on their beliefs rather than what actually happened, and to refuse to listen to the story of those who were there, it's sick. If they can do that, then what else can they hold someone against their will for? Actions speak louder than words, and those were not actions of a suicidal person by any means.[/QUOTE] I would have pulled a gun out on anyone who would have forced her to stay in that video. No really I would, they are all ugly as fuck too so nobody would have cared if those imbred hicks died.

[QUOTE=justin1992;31855491] Simple solution: When you're an automotive mechanic, like me, and a tool brakes and slices you open, bandage it yourself so you don't lose your job being held against your will. If you're trying to suicide, jump off a building or shoot yourself, otherwise they will just fix the damage and make you even more depressed by locking you in a fucking room, drugged to shit. Side note: My dad recently had a heart attack, instead of treating him immediately, IN THE EMERGENCY ROOM!, we had to wait in the waiting room for [b]9 HOURS![/b], as he was suffering in pain, before they would even TOUCH him to make sure he wouldn't crash. Who were the people around us waiting for? Well. One family brought a kid with lockjaw. Hardly life threatening. I'll never go to a hospital again, and if i have to for some emergency, I'll make sure my dad brings the .45 he has a concealed to carry so that if they try and hold me against my will because the wrench slipped, I can just fucking leave. Fuck that shit. [editline]20th August 2011[/editline] Rate dumb all you want because "Law is Law" "Rules are Rules", I don't give a fuck, it's like holding someone against their will, it's not going to change them. If someone kidnaps me and locks me in a room, you better be damn sure my ass is going to be the one that breaks magnetic sealed doors open, and I won't be mister nice guy that lets the security guards push me around, either. I'll get the chairs around and bash them in the fucking head. I don't care if it's for my "safety" or not, I will refuse to EVER be treated as a prisoner, under any circumstances. If that leads to me being tackled by policemen and thrown in jail, so be it. At least then I'll be held for a valid fucking reason.[/QUOTE] I dont think you have to worry about losing you job, because judging by your way of reasoning and handling situations your probable not old enough to be hired independently. But on the chance you are independently employed but just have the reasoning capabilitys of a 15 year old, there are laws in place to insure you cant lose your job due to a work related injury.

Oh, one thing. That's not rural Kentucky.

[QUOTE=n0cturni;31857328]You asked about non-private businesses and used McDonald's as an example, so yes.[/QUOTE] No I didn't. Re read my post. They are two completely different questions.

[QUOTE=Tetsmega;31858016] lol no. Read the story. She went to the hospital and they detained her. Way to be gullible and think an opinion is fact.[/QUOTE] i did they kidnapped her to see if she was suicidal. thats wrong

[QUOTE=BigOwl;31861619]No I didn't. Re read my post. They are two completely different questions.[/QUOTE] mcdonald's is a private business

If they wouldn't have made that wrong turn they just might have gotten out, unless they had more people waiting down stairs for them Also i really wanted to punch the black security guy for that smile he had on his face, but that probably wouldn't turn out well

[QUOTE=ScoutKing;31836059]I have to side with the hospital. [editline]20th August 2011[/editline] The 72 hour hold is to conduct psychological tests, and observe behavior. They held her because she had knife cuts on her own arm that she inflicted because she had a "seizure". Believe it or not, but A LOT of people lie about how they actually end up having self inflicted knife wounds on the arm. If i was the physician, i would of put a 72 hour hold on her too A lot of people end up trying to kill themselves by cutting their arms/wrists, and realize that that shit is not working as fast as they thought, they go to the ER to get fixed up, and lie about how they have self inflicted knife wounds. Patients lying in the ER is not uncommon, especially when someones suicidal. Now maybe this girls story is true, maybe she did cut herself while she had a seizure, but there is no way for the doctor to determine if she's suicidal or not without the 72 hour hold. What's in your best interest may not be comfortable, or enjoyable. I have to agree though, that the security guard was being a prick, and overly aggressive. Should of just had the cops come, the guy said he was happily willingly to wait and talk to the cops.[/QUOTE] Hey you know what? Freedom to take your own life. if someone wants to take their own life, then you let them, it's their life not yours, if it's someone close, then well it will probably hurt other people, but ultimately it's the persons decision. Also suicide is actually illegal in many countries So how does that work, you kill yourself and spend a night in the morgue or something?

I know how this works since i was 14 and i was put in a Shadow mountain Health Facility, And you can't go out without the legal guardians saying you can, so when i left, i didn't go back due to how many assholes are there, you try to escape they pin you down, i even saw a kid flip a table there and they detained him with hand cuff's, and when i got into a new building it was all the same same stuff, then i went out of there, never went back, so to the summary, you can't go back even if you wanted to go back, its a law for them to hold you, if any means are necessary, so even if your guardian try's to take you back you can't due to a legal law, so I'm just saying because i got out of going there again last year and i hated it, so don't try this, it sucks to be in a health facility.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;31865842]i did they kidnapped her to see if she was suicidal. thats wrong[/QUOTE] Sounds like you don't understand the concept of suicide watch. I don't think anyone here really understands just how damaging suicide is to surrounding friends and family in all but very specific circumstances. [editline]21st August 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=ChloeBlackSythe;31869468]I know how this works since i was 14 and i was put in a Shadow mountain Health Facility, And you can't go out without the legal guardians saying you can, so when i left, i didn't go back due to how many assholes are there, you try to escape they pin you down, i even saw a kid flip a table there and they detained him with hand cuff's, and when i got into a new building it was all the same same stuff, then i went out of there, never went back, so to the summary, you can't go back even if you wanted to go back, its a law for them to hold you, if any means are necessary, so even if your guardian try's to take you back you can't due to a legal law, so I'm just saying because i got out of going there again last year and i hated it, so don't try this, it sucks to be in a health facility.[/QUOTE] Welcome to the world of psychiatric help, where it's generally a bad idea to let the people with mental issues do anything they want.

Who needs to be responsible or considerate to those around them when your government already regulates that for you? :v:

[QUOTE=DrBreen;31866558]Hey you know what? Freedom to take your own life. if someone wants to take their own life, then you let them, it's their life not yours, if it's someone close, then well it will probably hurt other people, but ultimately it's the persons decision. Also suicide is actually illegal in many countries So how does that work, you kill yourself and spend a night in the morgue or something?[/QUOTE] A large majority of people who are suicidal don't want help, and most the time have to be forced to get help. I bet the farm if you ask someone who was suicidal and got help that they didn't want and are now cured of their depression/suicidal thoughts will say they are thankful that someone intervened, even if they didn't want them to. You have no idea how mentally unhinged someone is when they're suicidal. Should we let someone who is having a bi-polar mania episode who is suicidal kill themselves? I mean they're not their usual self? but they still want to die because they are suicidal, should we let them do it? or get them treatment and try to get them back to place they mentally were? using your logic we shouldn't give anyone who has a mental issue treatment, because a large majority are so delusional they don't think anything is wrong.