Woman suffering from epilepsy held against her will by hospital in rural Kentucky. - General

[QUOTE=yawmwen;31871992]which is exactly why they pad the bill [editline]22nd August 2011[/editline] it wouldnt matter because i would be dead. i cant feel anything when that point is reached. have i physically hurt them or threatened their safety? then they are not victims. suicide is generally self contained. if someone hurts another person in order to die it is not suicide, it is provoking death. thats dumb yes it is[/QUOTE] If you knew that was going to happen though, would you feel that you would be a victim to your disorder? Suicide is generally self contained? well then it has the potential to have a victim with the "generally" in there. A lot of people kill themselves as a result of a close friend/family member dying. What if you killed yourself, and your best friend couldn't cope and killed himself. He would be a victim of your action, and a product of your action. You don't have to hurt someone physically to make them a victim. Hurting someone emotionally is a crime as well. I mean, verbal assault isn't physically hurting anyone, but it's still illegal.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;31871992]which is exactly why they pad the bill [/QUOTE] Having a psychologist give a two hour exam and letting the patient go would be more cost effective than having a patient, that very possibly will not be able to pay the bill, Take up man hours it requires to monitor a patient, food for the patient, a room for the patient and other medical services.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;31871961]i cant petition[/QUOTE] Why can't you? Then find someone who can.

[QUOTE=ScoutKing;31872077]You don't have to hurt someone physically to make them a victim. Hurting someone emotionally is a crime as well.[/quote] no its not? [quote]i mean, verbal assault isn't physically hurting anyone, but it's still illegal.[/QUOTE] because it threatens someone safety. making someone feel bad is not a crime, only threatening their safety and wellbeing. [quote]A lot of people kill themselves as a result of a close friend/family member dying. What if you killed yourself, and your best friend couldn't cope and killed himself.[/quote] if i could feel bad i would, but the friend made the active choice to go about ending her life. they arent a victim of my actions. they are a product of their own ability to cope with emotional pain. [quote]If you knew that was going to happen though, would you feel that you would be a victim to your disorder?[/quote] lets imprison bi-polar disorder then! [editline]22nd August 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=BusterBluth;31872100]Having a psychologist give a two hour exam and letting the patient go would be more cost effective than having a patient, that very possibly will not be able to pay the bill, Take up man hours it requires to monitor a patient, food for the patient, a room for the patient and other medical services.[/QUOTE] no its not. its way more lucrative to have someone in the hospital for 72 hours because it raises the bill by a large amount. if they cant pay other groups will take the bill(including the government). those medical services MAKE the hospital money, not cost it.

[QUOTE=BusterBluth;31872100]Having a psychologist give a two hour exam and letting the patient go would be more cost effective than having a patient, that very possibly will not be able to pay the bill, Take up man hours it requires to monitor a patient, food for the patient, a room for the patient and other medical services.[/QUOTE] The kid's paranoid. A lot of hospitals don't like to admit you if you don't need too because you mentioned above. Man hour, time, resources and a lot of hospitals don't have enough rooms to be putting people in to try to make a quick dosh off them.

[QUOTE=ScoutKing;31872182]The kid's paranoid. A lot of hospitals don't like to admit you if you don't need too because you mentioned above. Man hour, time, resources and a lot of hospitals don't have enough rooms to be putting people in to try to make a quick dosh off them.[/QUOTE] um no, like i said its incredibly profitable to do those things. a hospital will keep you in as long as they possibly can to get the most money. [editline]22nd August 2011[/editline] you would be correct if a hospital was a non-profit organization, but hospitals are profit driven so everything they do has profit in mind

[QUOTE=yawmwen;31872165]no its not? [/QUOTE] How is that? Emergency services rendered by hospitals are very commonly not paid for, or the cost is not near compensated by the bill. Holding someone for suicide watch is part of the emergency service by the hospital.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;31872199]um no, like i said its incredibly profitable to do those things. a hospital will keep you in as long as they possibly can to get the most money.[/QUOTE] ummm.. no they don't. A lot of hospitals try to get you recovered as fast and safely as possible. They don't want people lingering around. Hospitals have a constant flow of people coming in, if they kept people there for longer than needed they wouldn't be able to handle more patients. more patients= more $$ The quicker they can get you out and feeling better the quicker they can put someone else in the room they had you in. A hospitals a well oiled machine. They're designed to be efficient in treating people, not making money. But if they were designed to make money, the more efficient thing to do is to discharge people as fast as possible.

[QUOTE=BusterBluth;31872214]How is that? Emergency services rendered by hospitals are very commonly not paid for, or the cost is not near compensated by the bill.[/quote] ya for emergency surgeries and shit [quote]Holding someone for suicide watch is part of the emergency service by the hospital.[/QUOTE] and it costs almost no money and makes a ton of money. [editline]22nd August 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=ScoutKing;31872224]ummm.. no they don't. A lot of hospitals try to get you recovered as fast and safely as possible. They don't want people lingering around. Hospitals have a constant flow of people coming in, if they kept people there for longer than needed they wouldn't be able to handle more patients. more patients= more $$ The quicker they can get you out and feeling better the quicker they can put someone else in the room they had you in.[/QUOTE] no the reason a hospital sometimes rushes people out is because of nasocomial infection which can severely ruin the reputation(profitability) of a hospital if they are common. they keep you as long as they possibly can without putting you at serious risk of ruining their money flow

[QUOTE=yawmwen;31872230]ya for emergency surgeries and shit and it costs almost no money and makes a ton of money.[/QUOTE] It costs a shit ton of money for the hospital. you have to pay the nursing staff, and the doctors on call to babysit you. Nursing staffs and doctors get paid pretty damn well.

[QUOTE=ScoutKing;31872266]It costs a shit ton of money for the hospital. you have to pay the nursing staff, and the doctors on call to babysit you. Nursing staffs and doctors get paid pretty damn well.[/QUOTE] yea but the bill is thousands of dollars, way more than enough to compensate the doctors, nurses, and supplies needed to keep you alive 72 hours.

Kid, you're just paranoid to the extreme. Get some help for your paranoia, it's really showing and clouding your judgment. To the point to were you have long drawn out arguments on the internet. I shudder to think how you are in real life.

[QUOTE=ScoutKing;31872284]Kid, you're just paranoid to the extreme. Get some help for your paranoia, it's really showing and clouding your judgment. To the point to were you have long drawn out arguments on the internet. I shudder to think how you are in real life.[/QUOTE] i would if i could afford it bro, trust me. no insurance and no money means no help

[QUOTE=yawmwen;31872300]i would if i could afford it bro, trust me. no insurance and no money means no help[/QUOTE] Best of luck, and I mean that in a none sarcastic/asshole(ish) way.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;31872279]yea but the bill is thousands of dollars, way more than enough to compensate the doctors, nurses, and supplies needed to keep you alive 72 hours.[/QUOTE] The suicide watch is a mandatory protocol regardless of patient wealth or insurance, kind of like emergency surgery. So the bill, if any, is reduced greatly. Hence losing the hospital money.

Also look at it this way. An ER physician is the one who puts the 72 hour hold on you. The money you pay, goes to the hospital, not to the ER physician. The ER physician doesn't treat people for his own dosh interest, but treats his patients using their best interest in mind. If the ER physician declines you or approves a 72 hour hold doesn't change his pay check. Why would he admit you if he has no real $$ incentive? The ER doctors don't work for the hospitals best interest, not for his pockets best interest, but for his patients best interest. They swear to an oath to protect your interest, the whole morality behind medicine is to work in the patients best interest, long term and short term, not for economic gain, or personal gain. Doctors are not evil people, yes there are some doctors who will sham you, but they don't work in hospitals most the time, and if they are shaming you, it comes back to them, doctors have reputations they have to up keep, happy well treated patients helps their reputation, in the long term, that helps him get a good position. Thus = some dosh. Even if a doctor is interested more in money than you, he has to put you first to get to that money.