• Speed limits
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The problem is there are plenty of stupid people who would gun it to 150 miles per hour if there were no speed limits, which is more than enough of a reason to have speed limits. Hell, there are stupid people out there who do it even with speed limits, which is why we have to enforce them.
[QUOTE=ChilColdCoolaid;24233461]The problem is there are plenty of stupid people who would gun it to 150 miles per hour if there were no speed limits, which is more than enough of a reason to have speed limits. Hell, there are stupid people out there who do it even with speed limits, which is why we have to enforce them.[/QUOTE] Let them gun it to 150. They would only have to stay in the left most lane, as the lanes to the right would only be slower. Since they would only be staying in 1 lane they would actually be safer drivers than they would be if they were hurrying to get somewhere right now and were jumping between lanes but only going say 80. It is in this way that raising the speed limit will make people safer drivers.
It does work very well for us Germans though. No speed limits + 3 and more lanes are really comfortable to drive. If you want to go slow, stick to the right, if you feel like going at 230kmh, do it. I don't mind people going fast as long as they don't drive reckless. And contrary to what most here seem to believe, driving fast doesn't necessarily make you drive reckless. If the left lane is free and you pay attention why the fuck not. You're all arguing about things that have long been proven to work somewhere else. the only thing that might really be in your way would be the technical limits of a highway, the rather early driving age and a tad different mentality.
Any other rebuttals? I'd like to hear from craptasket and sonicfan if they still hold their view on the subject.
[QUOTE=FunnyBunny;24232017]Human beings aren't stupid.[/QUOTE] lol yeah right
[QUOTE=FunnyBunny;24232241]People aren't idiots they're not going to go fast if they don't feel safe doing it.[/QUOTE] I guess the entire state of Florida must never feel unsafe, since it's a deathtrap down here. I think you mean people [B]are[/B] idiots.
speed limits are dumb, I go whatever speed I want and I've never been pulled over and I'm ticket-free
Dam talking about speed limits, a car behind my house was speeding, lost control, flipped over and 2 people went flying out of the vehicle. Apparently the two people are in really bad shape.
There are so many things wrong with this idea. [editline]05:58AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Bledrix;24256382]Dam talking about speed limits, a car behind my house was speeding, lost control, flipped over and 2 people went flying out of the vehicle. Apparently the two people are in really bad shape.[/QUOTE] It wasn't because he was speeding. It was because the driver was a clueless piece of shit that shouldn't be on the road in the first place.
Your theory is based on the assumption that all people in control of motor vehicles have the common sense not only to ensure their safety but the safety of others. That is one big fucking assumption.
Can you imagine 1.) Cars going 100 miles an hour in a suburb? 2.) Trying to get onto the interstate with cars zooming over 110?
No, humans are stupid. Some people in the world are actually stupid enough to accelerate to a ridiculous speed just to be cool. Not everyone thinks "I don't want to lose my life like this, better slow down." They'll be too busy texting or dong something equally stupid.
This would only MAYBE work on fully modernized freeways. The speed limits exist on lower-order highways to warn drivers of the speeds at which they can safely negotiate bends in the road, blind curves, etc.
I believe there should be multiple classes of drivers licenses. Get a basic license, you are expected to abide by the laws. Get an advanced license that shows you have more skill behind the wheel, and you are allowed a bit more leeway...
[QUOTE=Neolk;24256712]Can you imagine 1.) Cars going 100 miles an hour in a suburb? 2.) Trying to get onto the interstate with cars zooming over 110?[/QUOTE] can you... imagine... reading the op!
what about minimum speeds for a certain rod. so you don't get some retard going 50Km when the rest are going 100KM I sw the autobahn on TG, and from what I saw, it wasn't LOL FAST VROOOOOOM
When Montana added speed limits, fatalities doubled: [quote]This is an obvious call to action. Something must be done. We need more laws, more money for enforcement and more citations written - Speed Kills! Not so fast says a follow up study just completed by National Motorists Association. The study shows the safest period on Montana’s Interstate highways was when there were no daytime speed limits or enforceable speed laws. The doubling of fatal accidents occurred after Montana implemented its new safety program; complete with federal funding, artificially low speed limits and full enforcement.[/quote] [url]http://www.motorists.org/press/montana-no-speed-limit-safety-paradox[/url] [url]http://www.hwysafety.com/hwy_montana_2001.htm[/url]
[QUOTE=nemmises5;24232477]Parts of the autobhan have no speed limit and from what i've herd its one of the safest highway systems on the planet. If germans were able to adjust to it in the 60+ years they've had it I think Americans can do the same with a similar system[/QUOTE] Yeah, but that's because it isn't your average US road or Highway. American's just get the fucking license. You turn 16, and you maybe learned to drive. But if you can keep your car in a straight line, realize that a red light means quit fucking driving (and assuming you haven't fucked those parts up), and parallel park, you can get a US drivers license. In Germany you have to pay. And you pay a lot more. Drivers education is taught, people are actually required to pull their head from the depths of their ass and learn to drive. Also, that all negates the huge safety features the autobahn has. For fucks sake most of it has medevac helicopter coverage, so if there is an accident, the victims can be airlifted in under 20 minutes or so. The Autobahn isn't just a strip of road in Germany that's like US highways. It's a well built, well maintained, and well patrolled road that has drivers who actually had to go through some effort to get the license that lets them drive on it. US drivers aren't ready for that kind of responsibility.
[quote]A 2005 study by the German Federal Interior Ministry ([I]Bundesministerium des Innern[/I]) indicated that Autobahn sections with unrestricted speed have the same crash record as sections with speed limits[/quote] You assume that this means the same amount of deaths, when it doesn't. Unrestricted will have a higher average deaths, yet the same amount of crashes. If logic is to be believed
[QUOTE=Profanwolf;24232655]Except the autobahn, doesn't have turns, intersections, and s-curves? Are you retarded [editline]10:00AM[/editline] The Autobahn is basically a straight line that occasionally turns a few degrees[/QUOTE] Good thing it doesn't have intersections. There's an interstate I occasionally take to work, and they put two fucking stop lights on it because they put a gay ass casino right by the highway. Interstates never have stop lights, but some retard put them there. I get so pissed off when I have to stop at either of those lights. Fuck those smug bastards going to the casino to blow what's left of their savings to boot. And holy shit, driving by the casino at 4:00pm on a Wednesday afternoon and the parking lot is full. And the parking lot like a runway at an airport and it has a 3 or 4 story parking garage. :geno:
[QUOTE=abcpea;24256072]lol yeah right[/QUOTE] Yes, let's judge the most advanced species on our planet/in the solar system based solely on the actions of a small percentage of idiots. Do you think that all muslims are terrorists too? [editline]01:21AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Neolk;24256712]Can you imagine 1.) Cars going 100 miles an hour in a suburb? 2.) Trying to get onto the interstate with cars zooming over 110?[/QUOTE] Read the OP/Thread. Both of these issues have already been covered.
[QUOTE]Now, you'd also argue that some people wouldn't be as adept with driving as others which would cause accidents, which you could counter by keeping the current left >> right system where the left lanes go faster than the right ones. If you're a super pro badass driver you go in the left lane, if you're unsure of your ability to control a car at high speeds, you go into the right lanes. Pretty straightforward. [/QUOTE] Except many people are stupid [I]and[/I] arrogant. Many will think they are the "super pro badass" drivers when they shouldn't even have a license. They'll be the ones in the left lane going as fast as they can until they kill themselves. [QUOTE]In the beginning (Stupid) people might be excited about it and gas it above their limits, but overall it will settle out as people get used to it[/QUOTE] I don't think this will be the case. Many people have been fined, arrested, and killed in drunk driver incidents, and they still happen.
[QUOTE=JohnStamosFan;24257433]Yeah, but that's because it isn't your average US road or Highway. American's just get the fucking license. You turn 16, and you maybe learned to drive. But if you can keep your car in a straight line, realize that a red light means quit fucking driving (and assuming you haven't fucked those parts up), and parallel park, you can get a US drivers license. In Germany you have to pay. And you pay a lot more. Drivers education is taught, people are actually required to pull their head from the depths of their ass and learn to drive. Also, that all negates the huge safety features the autobahn has. For fucks sake most of it has medevac helicopter coverage, so if there is an accident, the victims can be airlifted in under 20 minutes or so. The Autobahn isn't just a strip of road in Germany that's like US highways. It's a well built, well maintained, and well patrolled road that has drivers who actually had to go through some effort to get the license that lets them drive on it. US drivers aren't ready for that kind of responsibility.[/QUOTE] So apparently almost all the arguments in this thread against the idea assume that American drivers are all blatant idiots and look like this. [IMG]http://gyazo.com/4ab4424cf3c67e725fb6104445e96d9c.png[/IMG]
[QUOTE=FunnyBunny;24232017]It would remove a lot of wasted manpower, like police hiding in bushes trying to catch speeders, speed cameras, etc.[/QUOTE] That "wasted manpower" is there to write up as many tickets as possible. Government needs to get money somehow.
[QUOTE=Zoook;24258309]Except many people are stupid [I]and[/I] arrogant. Many will think they are the "super pro badass" drivers when they shouldn't even have a license. They'll be the ones in the left lane going as fast as they can until they kill themselves. I don't think this will be the case. Many people have been fined, arrested, and killed in drunk driver incidents, and they still happen.[/QUOTE] Drunk drivers kill people on the freeway because they merge in between cars recklessly. If you implement the left >> right system then all people have to do is get in the left lane and go as fast as they please. Anyone who has managed to obtain a license can manage to drive in a straight line.
I don't think they should be removed, but they should be raised a bit. You dang city folks need lower speed limits with all the traffic and such. Out where I live you can drive 10+ miles without seeing a single car. The straightaways are miles long. Higher speed limits would also help out the trucking industry. Be able to get more loads in each day. I think 70 MPH would be good for regular roads, and 90-100 MPH would be good for the interstate. There should also be a minimum speed limit set in place. Something like 20mph under the speed limit.
[QUOTE=FunnyBunny;24258345]So apparently almost all the arguments in this thread against the idea assume that American drivers are all blatant idiots and look like this. [IMG]http://gyazo.com/4ab4424cf3c67e725fb6104445e96d9c.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] No those are British drivers.
[QUOTE=FunnyBunny;24258368]Drunk drivers kill people on the freeway because they merge in between cars recklessly.[/QUOTE] Exactly. They try to merge going faster than is safe. I've seen it happen. [QUOTE]If you implement the left >> right system then all people have to do is get in the left lane and go as fast as they please. Anyone who has managed to obtain a license can manage to drive in a straight line. [/QUOTE] The faster you go, the harder it is to maintain control of a car. The posted speed limit is usually a speed which is easy enough to maintain control in case of an emergency. When going 100+, which most people will do if allowed, there is limited steering and braking capabilities, even for the best of drivers. When someone gets in a crash, if the person behind them is going as fast as they want(read: 100+) and following too closely, they won't have enough time to stop and changing lanes that quickly would be very dangerous. Only thing left to do is slam right into the back of the car ahead. Things like that happen everyday, and they're only going 65. In a perfect world were everybody understands you need to stay a safe distance at high speeds and was calm and fast enough to react to a sudden change in the road, this would be perfect, but people don't and can't. [editline]02:16AM[/editline] [QUOTE=FordLord;24258542]I don't think they should be removed, but they should be raised a bit. You dang city folks need lower speed limits with all the traffic and such. Out where I live you can drive 10+ miles without seeing a single car. The straightaways are miles long. Higher speed limits would also help out the trucking industry. Be able to get more loads in each day. I think 70 MPH would be good for regular roads, and 90-100 MPH would be good for the interstate. There should also be a minimum speed limit set in place. Something like 20mph under the speed limit.[/QUOTE] I agree with this. On many roads the speed limit could be raised. I would prefer a little more thought going into the speed limits. I've been on roads when I think I could safely go about 20 mph faster, and others I think the speed limit is too high.
Having no speed limits is awesome. My favorite Autobahn(en) are A61 and A44, at least the parts that I usually drive. Almost no traffic, basically straight lines and [I]no limit[/I]...
[QUOTE=bugfix;24260617]Having no speed limits is awesome. My favorite Autobahn(en) are A61 and A44, at least the parts that I usually drive. Almost no traffic, basically straight lines and [I]no limit[/I]...[/QUOTE] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFd5Cci_pE4[/media]
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