[QUOTE=joe588;38205592]are you serious? his stunts get more ridiculous every single time.
this one seems like he didn't even bother to get decent actors.[/QUOTE]
Is there a series of predictable characterizations in how people react to that playout scenario that can convince you otherwise?
What speculation do you use to convince yourself of the victim being an actor?
I think that you could do something like this but not with the whole shit before he was in the hospital. If you could like drug him (Yeah goes to far but just a what if) and while he is asleep to bring him to a empty and ruined hospital then you could have the real deal.
The 'hacking' of the iPhone and TV is also something i can't really take for real, same for the sleeping trick even though he can still walk..
[QUOTE=Slater;38201160][I]And in the beginning he also agreed to get involved in a Derren Brown experiment. [/I][/QUOTE]
Agree to a Derren Brown experiment, world ends sometime later on your birthday.
Hmm, that definitely wouldn't get me thinking just a little bit.
Couldn't you give someone PTSD by putting them through this?
Also, aside that its staged its a great watch but i just cringe about the performance of that little girl he is with
People calling fake should know that Derren does stuff like this live in his stage shows.
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[QUOTE=darth-veger;38205831]Also, aside that its staged its a great watch but i just cringe about the performance of that little girl he is with[/QUOTE]
It isnt staged.
[editline]27th October 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Eonart;38205800]When is the next episode up?[/QUOTE]
Friday.
[QUOTE=- Livewire -;38205796]Agree to a Derren Brown experiment, world ends sometime later on your birthday.
Hmm, that definitely wouldn't get me thinking just a little bit.[/QUOTE]
It would have been months later that it started, they drip fed him information so it's not obvious, Derren Brown knows how people work, he could easily make sure someone forgot about signing up
Regardless if it's fake or not I think it's entertaining to watch.
It's really quite frustrating to see how many people are taking a nonsensical cynical stance on this one. Sure, the actors around him are pretty damn bad, but that doesn't mean Steven is acting. I've already explained how it works.
Watch some of Derren's other work and you'll understand.
That's amazing. I'm really sucked in and wanting to know what happens next.
Still, though, it seems like an awful lot of trouble they're going through to improve one guy's life.
[QUOTE=Slater;38206036]It's really quite frustrating to see how many people are taking a nonsensical cynical stance on this one. Sure, the actors around him are pretty damn bad, but that doesn't mean Steven is acting. I've already explained how it works.
Watch some of Derren's other work and you'll understand.[/QUOTE]
Why did he use Simon Pegg for this video:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTwCMX5sUQU[/media]
Why didn't he use just any regular person? I just can't believe that changing someone's memories and feelings is that simple. I mean sure he skillfully weaves bike lingo into his conversation, but why the hell would subtle things like that actually make him want it? Admittedly I haven't read books on the subject and so on, but if it's really possible then why does torture exist if people could just NLP-trick people into confessing?
Video is blocked in the UK, or at least for me and I can't find a mirror on another website. Simon Pegg's appearance is just a cameo, Simon showed an interest in Derren's work and wanted in. (He's also a terrible actor so don't pull that card!)
[QUOTE=Slater;38206188]Video is blocked in the UK, or at least for me and I can't find a mirror on another website. Simon Pegg's appearance is just a cameo, Simon showed an interest in Derren's work and wanted in. (He's also a terrible actor so don't pull that card!)[/QUOTE]
All he did in that video anyways, was have a crap-load of things that kind of have similarities to bicycles, red circles on the floor, a tape in the background rolling like the wheels of a bicycle and Derren pops in some bicycle related words while he talks to Simon.
And of course he does the thing where he unexpectedly grabs Simon's hand and starts feeding him bike words. Allegedly all that random bike japery not only got into Simon's head, it also made him WANT a red bike. And not only that, but it also somehow made him completely forget what he wanted before.
I just don't see how that is possible. At most I think it'd be like, later on in the day Simon would stop and think [I]"why am I thinking of red bikes all of a sudden?"[/I], but no, it literally replaced a memory and made him think that it was what he always wished for.
There's also the video where he pays people with blank pieces of paper. He literally doesn't do [I]anything[/I] other than small-talking while putting in [I]"it's okay, just take it, just take it"[/I] , which supposedly is enough to make people ignore that they're being handed white pieces of paper rather than money.
i've watched a few of these and liked them but this one's just far out.. ridiculous in my opinion
I don't think he means you can [I]replace[/I] a memory, it'll be the idea of temporarily insinuating a subconscious want. If Simon walked off later, he'd probably forget anything about wanting that red bike. The signs have stopped and Simon doesn't know he was being influenced.
Forgetting completely what he wanted before comes with the same mind trick, how many times have you wanted something from the kitchen, got there and forgotten what it was? It happens because en route you see things or remain within your thoughts. You could be thinking of what you'll do when you get back or what you'll be doing later, and by the time you arrive in the kitchen you'll have no idea what it was you wanted.
I remember that blank pieces of paper bit, that was nothing short of bizarre but I can see how it'd work depending on the person.
People will believe the stupidest shit but somehow a completely feasible hypnosis process is ridiculous and far-fetched. I think it's probably not faked, Steven would've acted a lot more different if he knew it was fake and he was going to be on TV.
[QUOTE=Slater;38206284]I don't think he means you can [I]replace[/I] a memory, it'll be the idea of temporarily insinuating a subconscious want. If Simon walked off later, he'd probably forget anything about wanting that red bike. The signs have stopped and Simon doesn't know he was being influenced.
Forgetting completely what he wanted before comes with the same mind trick, how many times have you wanted something from the kitchen, got there and forgotten what it was? It happens because en route you see things or remain within your thoughts. You could be thinking of what you'll do when you get back or what you'll be doing later, and by the time you arrive in the kitchen you'll have no idea what it was you wanted.
I remember that blank pieces of paper bit, that was nothing short of bizarre but I can see how it'd work depending on the person.[/QUOTE]
But Simon Pegg later looks at the piece of paper where had written [I]"leather jacket"[/I], he looks at it and doesn't remember ever wanting a leather jacket, he exclaims that he has got no need for a leather jacket. He only agrees that he ever even wrote it because he can see that [I]"that's definitely my j"[/I]
Also in the video, Derren Brown is actually explaining what he is doing, he says that he can replace Simon's memory. He uses the word [I]"replace"[/I].
[QUOTE]I remember that blank pieces of paper bit, that was nothing short of bizarre but I can see how it'd work depending on the person.[/QUOTE]
That's how skeptical you're going to be about things?
[I]"Yeah that definitely does seem sort of off the wall crazy, but hey it makes some kind of sense in some situations so I guess it's the truth."[/I] How about at least demanding someone who isn't Derren to reproduce it, to confirm that it is indeed possible? Y'know like, something scientific? Just like how everyone wants psychics to be tested and confirmed, we should do the same against Derren. I know he throws around a bunch of scientific words but that doesn't automatically make everything he does true. He can't confirm himself as true.
[QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;38206364]But Simon Pegg later looks at the piece of paper where had written [I]"leather jacket"[/I], he looks at it and doesn't remember ever wanting a leather jacket, he exclaims that he has got no need for a leather jacket. He only agrees that he ever even wrote it because he can see that [I]"that's definitely my j"[/I]
Also in the video, Derren Brown is actually explaining what he is doing, he says that he can replace Simon's memory. He uses the word [I]"replace"[/I].
That's how skeptical you're going to be about things?
[I]"Yeah that definitely does seem sort of off the wall crazy, but hey it makes some kind of sense in some situations so I guess it's the truth."[/I] How about at least demanding someone who isn't Derren to reproduce it, to confirm that it is indeed possible? Y'know like, something scientific? Just like how everyone wants psychics to be tested and confirmed, we should do the same against Derren. I know he throws around a bunch of scientific words but that doesn't automatically make everything he does true. He can't confirm himself as true.[/QUOTE]
You've misperceived me. I said it's bizarre, not crazy. I also said I can see [B]how [/B]it'd work. I never insinuated Derren was the only one who could.
It won't be fake, Derren has a reputation for things like this and it would be stupid to throw it all away for one two episode series.
It was actually quite emotional when he saw the picture of him.
Some of you are believing in things with no scientific background [sp]like religion[/sp], and you're more sceptical over this? Shame on you.
Its called a handshake interrupt (putting them to sleep that quickly) also dont forget he was probably given the suggestion to return to this state in the audition process (you see them all hypnotised in the audition process)
the handshake interrupt simply put is taking a normal situation (one that we do every day say for example a handshake ) and interuppting the normal process with a change, this will send the brain into a cataleptic state for a few seconds, confused and highly suggestible. So you go to shake the volunteers hand but then grab their wrist the plant a suggestion.
Ive explained it in a very simplistic way but thats how you can put someone "to sleep" that quickly
[QUOTE=fuckingcake;38205243]That was a horrible observation, when the mechanic came he put the fuse back in.[/QUOTE]
Yeah but when the actor gets into the car the first time, he turns the key and the engine turns over. That is before the mechanic arrived. That would not happen if the fuse had been taken out.
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[QUOTE=FreddiRox!;38206614]It won't be fake, Derren has a reputation for things like this and it would be stupid to throw it all away for one two episode series.[/QUOTE]
Do you honestly not see any problem with what you just said? Nothing at all?
What if....gee....all the other things were fake too? Just, made a tad more realistic so when he goes balls to the wall like this, everyone goes "oh it HAS to be real, this guy did that other trick I also believed!"
What is more logical, an actor collecting a group of actors together to perform a stunt earning themselves a tidy paycheck thanks to the gullible viewers, or using some mystical power and winging it all on the hope that the guy doesn't sue them for undressing him and filming him, and climbs into bed himself while supposedly "under"
One thing: it's actually understandable why people would react to the infected in an apparently underwhelming fashion. Fear only kicks in when you understand the situation JUST ENOUGH to understand the danger. If a situation is so surreal, so removed from reality, and it hasn't sunk in, then you won't actually process it fully. He may be thinking "What the fuck is going on" just as much as "oh shit".
[QUOTE=Trumple;38207477]Yeah but when the actor gets into the car the first time, he turns the key and the engine turns over. That is before the mechanic arrived. That would not happen if the fuse had been taken out.
[editline]27th October 2012[/editline]
Do you honestly not see any problem with what you just said? Nothing at all?
What if....gee....all the other things were fake too? Just, made a tad more realistic so when he goes balls to the wall like this, everyone goes "oh it HAS to be real, this guy did that other trick I also believed!"
What is more logical, an actor collecting a group of actors together to perform a stunt earning themselves a tidy paycheck thanks to the gullible viewers, or using some mystical power and winging it all on the hope that the guy doesn't sue them for undressing him and filming him, and climbs into bed himself while supposedly "under"[/QUOTE]
You're being far too cynical without justifiable means. You haven't seen his previous work, you haven't listened to the explanations as to why these methods actually work and therefore you cannot bring up logic and reason. There are countless studies and academic journals on the theories Derren uses.
I've actually seen lots of his other shows, too. used to watch them on TV, now I just watch them on youtube. Some of them I am sure are real. Like the one where he goes into a town and makes an idea of a lucky dog statue, and uses it to influence one man who considered himself unlucky.
This one, however, screams bullshit.
Also, by not watching all his other shows, I am not allowed to use logic or reason? What
I have read the explanations of people above, I'm hardly swayed by them
Give me a credible academic journal and I'll be quiet, honest. I want to believe just as much as you, but this just takes the biscuit
I think Derren's being a bit of a prick. The poor guy is just trying to live his life, maybe he doesn't want people telling him what he should be doing, what he should appreciate, and just let him be his own person. Shit.
Not saying this is by any means the most credible source.
[url]http://www.grumpymiddleagedman.co.uk/2012/10/27/derren-browns-apocalypse-fake-is-steve-brosnan-as-actor/[/url]
but it breaks my heart.
[QUOTE=Conna;38208025]I think Derren's being a bit of a prick. The poor guy is just trying to live his life, maybe he doesn't want people telling him what he should be doing, what he should appreciate, and just let him be his own person. Shit.[/QUOTE]
Thing is that he was "taking everything for granted" thus losing his own personality. Derren himself said something like this on the video, Steven still acts like a child sometimes. What reason is there to live for if you're just a walking, consumist machine? This is the point of the episode, I guess. Break up routines etc, not just desire what you already have.
It would be cool as hell if this was real, but it gives off a fake vibe.
That is terribly fake. Never ceases to amaze me what bullshit people will accept as truth.
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