Derren Brown - The Apocalypse - General

A desperate man could make a weapon out of anything, but fair enough. It's nice that they took proper precautions.

[QUOTE=Fhux;38236453]Brown just answered some concerns on his blog: [url=http://derrenbrown.co.uk/apocalypse-qa/]More here[/url][/QUOTE] It still doesn't prove anything, he's basically said "yeah we messed up the editing, but that was because of time constraints and sloppy work, don't worry" or "the channel wouldn't allow such a misleading show!"

[QUOTE=Foogooman;38244183]"Plus of course the actors knew to control him if anything like that happened."[/QUOTE] I'm picturing an actor breaking character by just uppercutting him in the face

[QUOTE=Leo Leonardo;38255329]I'm picturing an actor breaking character by just uppercutting him in the face[/QUOTE] "You're goin' to jail now!"

The Evolution of this thread: Wow nice show > Hey is it real? > FAKE > Look hes an actor! > Oh maybe hes not > aah its real! > Wow nice show!

[QUOTE=Djessey;38201359]Really?... You guys believe that someone can just put his fingers on someones head and he'll pass out? What a load of bullshit.[/QUOTE] That's called a rapid induction.

[QUOTE=Cl0cK;38200967]If it's not fake, this is incredible. But it looks really staged I mean, you can't make someone [sp]fall asleep that quickly in a really stressful situation.[/sp][/QUOTE] At the start it said he was susceptible to hypnosis. During the screening process they probably gave him a code word to fall asleep to and never un-hypnotized him. So when he was on the bus, Derren Brown just said the code word and he got knocked out.

I personally am curious to see how he does rapid inductions and the neurological science behind it. My natural skepticism makes me want to doubt his ability to simply make someone lose consciousness with the touch of his fingers. Yet another part of me--the hopeful part wants to believe such feats are possible. After all, there are so many things we don't fully understand about the brain and human psychology in general.

would've be funny if he was a pedo and raped the girl because they're alone and the world went to shit and see the look on Darrens face when they try to stop him

Why does everyone accept that Derren Brown is in his right to change someone to his [I]perception[/I] of what is a better version of themselves? Could this be some kind of audience test... [sp]Steven was in the year above at my old school, he was a drama student in two school plays - Suspicious...[/sp]

The way Derren thinks is that the situations [I]guide[/I] Steven into being a better person. Ultimately, it's up to Steven to make the choices himself.

Anyone know why that guy was washing the ambulance in the middle of a zombie Apocalypse? seems rather pointless to me.

Can't wait for part 2... Fucking amazing!

[QUOTE=Valdread;38261215]Anyone know why that guy was washing the ambulance in the middle of a zombie Apocalypse? seems rather pointless to me.[/QUOTE] Actually, when you think about it, when situations are that extreme, people tend to deny certain things (or at least destract themselfs of those things).

[QUOTE=waoop;38260788][sp]Steven was in the year above at my old school, he was a drama student in two school plays - Suspicious...[/sp][/QUOTE] Sounds legit. [editline]31st October 2012[/editline] Let me guess, your dad's Gabe Newell and your mum's the tooth fairy?

[QUOTE=Marlamin;38221582]Well it [b]is[/b] scripted obviously, they wouldn't credit Mark Gatiss (Writer; Doctor Who, Sherlock etc) at the end for no reason. :v:[/QUOTE] that's not how writing works lol

[QUOTE=waoop;38260788]Why does everyone accept that Derren Brown is in his right to change someone to his [I]perception[/I] of what is a better version of themselves? Could this be some kind of audience test... [sp]Steven was in the year above at my old school, he was a drama student in two school plays - Suspicious...[/sp][/QUOTE] [Media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqAqhaa0DhE[/Media]

[QUOTE=FunnyBunny;38227781]To everyone talking about the going to sleep part: If you've ever been to a hypnotist show, you know it is some serious shit. If you've never been, then go to one. The stuff that hypnotists can do to people is incredible. My friend that I went with got to go on stage, the hypnotist got him to take off his shirt and go back to his seat, thinking he was still wearing it. I took a picture of him with my phone when he sat back down near me. His que to come out of hypnosis was leaving the auditorium. The second he walked out, he stops dead in his tracks, turns around, and runs back to grab his shirt. Later on as we're walking through the parking lot, I show him the picture, and he literally can not believe it. He gets to the point of being aggressive, insisting that it did not happen, even though he's holding the picture right there in his hands. And it's not like it's even some hired actor that was planted in the crowd, it was my friend who I'd known for years. Hypnotists can do some pretty intense things to people who are willing to fall for it. In the video, when they were auditioning, they went through a hypnosis session. This is a perfect place to plant the idea in his mind. After that, it's just a matter of taking advantage of it. That part is definitely the most dubious part of this video, but I have no doubt he could have pulled it off. I've seen it done before.[/QUOTE] this. I think the main thing to notice in this video is that brown says he needed someone susceptible to suggestion. Though simple hypnosis isn't flawless, if you are "willing" to be hypnotized, you can be made to do essentially anything. I, like funnybunny watched part of my class take part in a hypnosis show, not knowing there was going to be one until an hour before. A few of the people that volunteered, particularly the people I thought to be the more intelligent out of the bunch, just simply couldn't let themselves go to hypnosis even when they tried, but the rest of the group, I'll tell you... He had people believing they were Taylor Swift signing t-shirts and just the most insane shit, and he was able to que people to do things after they were "released."

He was washing the side of the ambulance where the zombies touched. Smart if you ask me.

[QUOTE=TheMustacheHero;38257984]At the start it said he was susceptible to hypnosis. During the screening process they probably gave him a code word to fall asleep to and never un-hypnotized him. So when he was on the bus, Derren Brown just said the code word and he got knocked out.[/QUOTE] I love how everyone makes up the most bizarre explanations that don't make any more sense of the situation Lets be realistic here, if such a power existed and worked in the same way it did in the show, we'd A) Have some scientific proof of it. Still waiting on that scientific article 'Slater' said he'd provide! B) Have a lot more people using it for their own benefit. Does it not seem suspicious to you that these things only happen at shows? Have you ever seen a news article describing a victim who was hypnotised and then made to do X or Y? No, even though hypnosis in this form is supposedly such a powerful tool. I'm not denying hypnosis, but I am denying someone's ability to just tap them on the head and have them fall asleep. You do, however, hear stories of people shot with guns, for example. Guns that are designed with a real science, with real facts and real physics. Not some mystical power that doesn't appear to have any scientific proof whatsoever.

[QUOTE=Trumple;38262346]B) Have a lot more people using it for their own benefit. Does it not seem suspicious to you that these things only happen at shows? Have you ever seen a news article describing a victim who was hypnotised and then made to do X or Y?[/QUOTE] Doctor Who had a pretty interesting explanation to this, in which hypnosis (or rather blood control in that case) couldn't control the subconscious, so basically if you ordered someone to kill someone else or kill themselves, you wouldn't be able to because it goes against their nature. So if stealing or murder etc. is against someones nature, it wouldn't work. Or something like that.

[QUOTE=EcksDee;38262054][Media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqAqhaa0DhE[/Media][/QUOTE] The video still doesn't address why his supposed life as a moocher doesn't add up. Looking it up Darren Brown has been a bullshitter before so I'm guessing this will be verified as fake pretty soon.

[QUOTE=Trumple;38262346]I love how everyone makes up the most bizarre explanations that don't make any more sense of the situation Lets be realistic here, if such a power existed and worked in the same way it did in the show, we'd A) Have some scientific proof of it. Still waiting on that scientific article 'Slater' said he'd provide! B) Have a lot more people using it for their own benefit. Does it not seem suspicious to you that these things only happen at shows? Have you ever seen a news article describing a victim who was hypnotised and then made to do X or Y? No, even though hypnosis in this form is supposedly such a powerful tool. I'm not denying hypnosis, but I am denying someone's ability to just tap them on the head and have them fall asleep. You do, however, hear stories of people shot with guns, for example. Guns that are designed with a real science, with real facts and real physics. Not some mystical power that doesn't appear to have any scientific proof whatsoever.[/QUOTE] Apparently hypnotizing someone who isn't a volunteer is a hell of a lot harder than stage hypnotism, which always has a volunteer. Skepticism is understandable and good, but I honestly suggest you go to an actual show with someone who knows what they're doing, and volunteer. Preferably with a friend nearby so they can tell you what dumb shit you did. [editline]31st October 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=BusterBluth;38264135]The video still doesn't address why his supposed life as a moocher doesn't add up. Looking it up Darren Brown has been a bullshitter before so I'm guessing this will be verified as fake pretty soon.[/QUOTE] Derren Brown is everything but a bullshitter, look at some of his Live shows, full versions are on Youtube. He is quite literally a genius. How does it not add up exactly? I looked on the last page and saw "aspiring actor" which somehow disproves that he is a moocher, yet hey, he's not an aspiring actor.

[QUOTE=Valdread;38261215]Anyone know why that guy was washing the ambulance in the middle of a zombie Apocalypse? seems rather pointless to me.[/QUOTE] They were rubbing the infection all over it, he wanted to steralize it [editline]31st October 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Trumple;38262346]I love how everyone makes up the most bizarre explanations that don't make any more sense of the situation Lets be realistic here, if such a power existed and worked in the same way it did in the show, we'd A) Have some scientific proof of it. Still waiting on that scientific article 'Slater' said he'd provide! B) Have a lot more people using it for their own benefit. Does it not seem suspicious to you that these things only happen at shows? Have you ever seen a news article describing a victim who was hypnotised and then made to do X or Y? No, even though hypnosis in this form is supposedly such a powerful tool. I'm not denying hypnosis, but I am denying someone's ability to just tap them on the head and have them fall asleep. You do, however, hear stories of people shot with guns, for example. Guns that are designed with a real science, with real facts and real physics. Not some mystical power that doesn't appear to have any scientific proof whatsoever.[/QUOTE] Why is it that no one even read the blog post about all this yet they continue to talk about it. Read this (all of it) [quote]CAN YOU REALLY HYPNOTISE SOMEONE THAT QUICKLY AS YOU DID ON THE BUS? Not completely from scratch, no. It does look impossibly quick. However, as we explained in the programme, one of the reasons we chose him because he was highly responsive to suggestion, which allows me to get him used (during the audition process) to the suggestion of going to sleep on command. You see him zonked out at the start of episode one, in the auditions. Once that’s in-built, it’s easy enough to trigger off again, weeks or even months in the future. His hyper-alert and confused state following the meteor attack, plus the total out-of-context surprise of my voice and person being suddenly present, really help too. There was no way we could start and finish the stunt without putting him to sleep on those occasions, so it was necessary to get him conditioned to this early on. [/quote]

[QUOTE=EcksDee;38264278] Derren Brown is everything but a bullshitter, look at some of his Live shows, full versions are on Youtube. He is quite literally a genius. How does it not add up exactly? I looked on the last page and saw "aspiring actor" which somehow disproves that he is a moocher, yet hey, he's not an aspiring actor.[/QUOTE] He is a bullshitter to some degree, he mislead everyone on some stunt where he claimed to predict what chamber a live round was in when playing russian roulette. Stevens twitter profile suggest he is a marathon runner and by the looks of it it doesn't look like he is some lazy ass.

[QUOTE=BusterBluth;38264432]He is a bullshitter to some degree, he mislead everyone on some stunt where he claimed to predict what chamber a live round was in when playing russian roulette. Stevens twitter profile suggest he is a marathon runner and by the looks of it it doesn't look like he is some lazy ass.[/QUOTE] Derren only bullshits enough to hide his true methods, that's part of being a magician. It's obvious at this point that Steven is real in every sense of the word and Derren made a good point. Suggesting that Steven is fake is honestly a conspiracy theory, the number of people that would have to stay silent is HUGE and most of them like his friends wouldn't ever have to sign an agreement to stay quiet and would happily spill the beans for 100 bucks to some news organization.

[QUOTE=Foogooman;38264546]Derren only bullshits enough to hide his true methods, that's part of being a magician. It's obvious at this point that Steven is real in every sense of the word and Derren made a good point. Suggesting that Steven is fake is honestly a conspiracy theory, the number of people that would have to stay silent is HUGE and most of them like his friends wouldn't ever have to sign an agreement to stay quiet and would happily spill the beans for 100 bucks to some news organization.[/QUOTE] Suggesting you are using a live round when you are only using a blank is bullshitting, not really a method to be hid. I will bet in a few weeks someone will come forward, if not then I suppose I will have to take it as real. But if its is real I still think its an incredibly shitty thing to do to someone, regardless of their personnel life.

[QUOTE=BusterBluth;38264645]Suggesting you are using a live round when you are only using a blank is bullshitting, not really a method to be hid. I will bet in a few weeks someone will come forward, if not then I suppose I will have to take it as real. But if its is real I still think its an incredibly shitty thing to do to someone, regardless of their personnel life.[/QUOTE] They were forced to use blanks, and seeing as most people (like you) don't understand that a blank round can still kill you, they decided to just say they are live rounds since saying they're blanks would (to most people) make it less dramatic. [editline]31st October 2012[/editline] And so once again this is a case of lying simply to cover up his real methods. The fact is that he didn't use any mentalism to perform that trick, there was never any real danger. It's just a magic trick. The same way that when Penn Jillette catches a bullet in his mouth, there was never really any danger.

[QUOTE=Asaratha;38265100]I was hoping that infected guy at the hospital was his brother am I the only one?[/QUOTE] It WAS, his long lost brother his dad had in an affair what a tweest

[QUOTE=Foogooman;38264769]They were forced to use blanks, and seeing as most people (like you) don't understand that a blank round can still kill you, they decided to just say they are live rounds since saying they're blanks would (to most people) make it less dramatic. [editline]31st October 2012[/editline] And so once again this is a case of lying simply to cover up his real methods. The fact is that he didn't use any mentalism to perform that trick, there was never any real danger. It's just a magic trick. The same way that when Penn Jillette catches a bullet in his mouth, there was never really any danger.[/QUOTE] You can do without being condescending. I know blanks can kill and my point still stands, its still bullshitting, its not hiding a method, as you said it was too be dramatic. While using a fake gun and a fake actor are different in relation to the actual event, it still shows he has the capacity to bullshit for reasons other than the experiment itself.