Holy shit tears everywhere when Ian went out to his wife. Hes playing that role goddamn awesome, I freaking cried :v:
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You can't act on purpose like steven did it's real, steven is not an actor and people still doubt this. The show would be senseless if he was an actor, why all of this hassle then.
Ugh, I like the way part 1 of episode 2 is blocked in the UK on copyright grounds.
Even better it's not up on 4OD yet.
Either real, or a really good natural actor.
Just got round to watching the final part on sky+. Whether or not he was an actor it was still really enjoyable and gave me a moment to think about the things in my life that I take for granted.
I gotta be honest i think,if that was real,That was without a doubt a moment to go down in television history!
Best TV show I have ever seen, Ian's acting was amazing and Steven's reactions were heart warming and heart breaking. Such a brilliant show, made me think about my life too
Watched it now, Brown has done as astonishing as always.
Highly disappointed that Derren didn't do his usual end-of-show part where he explains everything down to the T though.
I bet he releases a video instead because of all the speculation.
Decided to give this a go, seems interesting so far. Thank you for sharing OP.
[QUOTE=darth-veger;38205706]The 'hacking' of the iPhone and TV is also something i can't really take for real[/QUOTE]
You kidding? The phone has some kind of VNC application installed on it(not sure how they hid it from his view), they replaced their router with one of their own that has common software set to resolve the websites they wanted to modify to their own servers(which modify the page and serve it back)(ssl certificates would be fucked with this so not sure how that fake tweet wasn't obvious). That's extremely basic stuff. Considering the network that made this is a [b]Television Network[/b], I'm sure they have enough control/sway to have someone's digital cable channel resolve to a custom channel they've created.
but honestly I'm of the opinion that this is all bullshit. just needed to sort this out.
Look the whole thing is superb, but as soon as the one-touch hypnosis makes an appearance, you can't honestly tell me that you'd rather cram a best fit hypothesis in there to support it rather than just look at the obvious facts of life.
I get that it's a lot more fun to be unsure of these things, but it's not fun enough to abandon reason and feel ok about it.
[QUOTE=Slater;38294614]Highly disappointed that Derren didn't do his usual end-of-show part where he explains everything down to the T though.
I bet he releases a video instead because of all the speculation.[/QUOTE]
Didnt he explain everything in the first part? Whats left to explain?
I don't believe that he can make someone fall asleep by touching them on the head, so I strongly doubt he can make someone fall asleep using a phone call.
I don't like derren brown and have only enjoyed two things he's done.
[QUOTE=FunnyBunny;38289509]Hypnosis isn't some myth. It's heavily researched in the psychological community. The reason you can't hypnotize people to go kill someone is that they have to want to be hypnotized. People who volunteer on stage [I]want[/I] to be hypnotized. The reason they are willing to do all of that shit like sing taylor swift songs is because they know it's all in good fun, and they're there to have a good time. You're gonna have a [B]really[/B] hard time trying to convince someone to kill someone else.[/QUOTE]
People keep saying "it's been researched" yet no one can provide a credible scientific article that actually documents it. I saw one from Harvard which basically says they couldn't find any evidence for or against it
[url]http://bscw.rediris.es/pub/bscw.cgi/d4502286/Orne-Nature_hypnosis_Artifact_essence.pdf[/url]
If you can find me one of the ones you mentioned, that would be brilliant
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[QUOTE=Foogooman;38273626]What exactly does he do that you don't think is possible?[/QUOTE]
Putting people to sleep in such a situation
[QUOTE=Foogooman;38273626] Also include how you think he could fake the things you don't think are possible.[/QUOTE]
Actors
[QUOTE=Trumple;38296875]People keep saying "it's been researched" yet no one can provide a credible scientific article that actually documents it. I saw one from Harvard which basically says they couldn't find any evidence for or against it
[url]http://bscw.rediris.es/pub/bscw.cgi/d4502286/Orne-Nature_hypnosis_Artifact_essence.pdf[/url]
If you can find me one of the ones you mentioned, that would be brilliant
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Putting people to sleep in such a situation
Actors[/QUOTE]
I'll step out to defend Brown here.
First of all, there are innumerable books about it. It has been proven to for example reduce pain, and has been used during child birth, operations, and things like that. So it most definitely exists and isn't all made up.
I also don't understand why it would be less likely to manage a feat like putting a man to sleep during a situation of panic and almost paralyzation than not. To me it seems like it would be easier.
Of course it would be more or less difficult depending on the person. Brown clearly states in the first episode that they chose Steven partially due to how suggestible he was to hypnosis.
As for the actors, as Brown himself pointed out, if Steven was an actor everyone else must have been actors as well. They would also have to trust that everyone who knew Steven, including his real family, stayed quiet. Furthermore, Brown must have also used actors in everything he has used the technique in.
I really don't think the guy was an actor.
I mean, if he was, he's [I]really[/I] bad at giving a performance. The other actors give performances, they're clearly giving mind to pacing and rhythm. Meanwhile, he's choking out lines and muttering and being stonefaced.
But at the same time he can summon tears like a fucking pro, which is not easy to do under any circumstances. When put under pressure he doesn't do the hollywood "[I]Nooo![/I]" shit, he just sort of freaks the fuck out like no one who's improvising would do. There's no arc or reason to what he does, he just sort of reacts.
So if he's acting, he's both a really good actor and a really bad actor at the same time. Eh, doesn't really add up for me.
That was amazing.
Now he can go get a job and just give them a copy of this as his CV
[QUOTE=Trumple;38296875]People keep saying "it's been researched" yet no one can provide a credible scientific article that actually documents it. I saw one from Harvard which basically says they couldn't find any evidence for or against it
[url]http://bscw.rediris.es/pub/bscw.cgi/d4502286/Orne-Nature_hypnosis_Artifact_essence.pdf[/url]
If you can find me one of the ones you mentioned, that would be brilliant
[editline]3rd November 2012[/editline]
Putting people to sleep in such a situation
Actors[/QUOTE]
He wrote a book just go read it.
[QUOTE=Fhux;38298984]I'll step out to defend Brown here.
First of all, there are innumerable books about it. It has been proven to for example reduce pain, and has been used during child birth, operations, and things like that. So it most definitely exists and isn't all made up.
I also don't understand why it would be less likely to manage a feat like putting a man to sleep during a situation of panic and almost paralyzation than not. To me it seems like it would be easier.
Of course it would be more or less difficult depending on the person. Brown clearly states in the first episode that they chose Steven partially due to how suggestible he was to hypnosis.
As for the actors, as Brown himself pointed out, if Steven was an actor everyone else must have been actors as well. They would also have to trust that everyone who knew Steven, including his real family, stayed quiet. Furthermore, Brown must have also used actors in everything he has used the technique in.[/QUOTE]
Hypnosis could exist, I'm not denying it. I've not seen proof either way, though, and the articles I have read suggest hypnosis is more of a psychological thing, where when you know you're being hypnotised, you act as though you are (kind of like a placebo effect)
That is why if Steven WASN'T an actor, he'd not be expecting hypnosis and would, rather than falling sleep, give Darren a confused stare as he put his hand on his head
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[QUOTE=Superkilll307;38299379]He wrote a book just go read it.[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure if you're being serious or if you're missing my point: Why do you think Darren would tell the truth when millions of pounds are on the line for him? Of course he's going to make stuff up if it means he'd become loaded!
Scientific proof/articles is what I'm looking for. Otherwise it means nothing more than opinions, estimates and guesses
Oh god, what if this guys gets zombie flashbacks?
No but seriously. This was a really really really good show.
[QUOTE=Superkilll307;38296168]Didnt he explain everything in the first part? Whats left to explain?[/QUOTE]
The important part of my statement was down to a T. Usually he goes through every little part of the show with a fine hair comb and explains how and why he did each bit.
[QUOTE=Slater;38299607]The important part of my statement was down to a T. Usually he goes through every little part of the show with a fine hair comb and explains how and why he did each bit.[/QUOTE]
Although he's usually lying about that too, look at the lottery prediction.
Like quite a few have said earlier in this thread, I don't think the one-touch hypnosis would ever work on a random person off the street.
Not only did they pick this guy because he was susceptible to hypnosis, but they had weeks to condition his mind. Who knows what kinds of subliminal messages Derren was feeding him throughout the entire buildup, maybe playing a certain sound or word every time Steven went to sleep, stuff like that.
Essentially turning Steven into one of Pavlov's dogs. I have no doubts that a mind that has been conditioned to associate a certain sound or word with sleep could be put to sleep by simply muttering said word. Especially if it isn't expected at all.
Which is also why the sound goes out momentarily each time Derren knocks Steven out. They don't want people to go looking for Steven and dropping his ass willy nilly by copying it.
I'm very skeptical of hypnosis as far as "hurr im hypnotised doing silly stuff" goes, but mental conditioning is very real.
How fucked up would it be if Derren hynotized Steve right after he went downstairs to see his family and woke him up in the hospital again
I believe most of it, but that faint; that was the most dramatic faint in ever.
[QUOTE=Slater;38299607]The important part of my statement was down to a T. Usually he goes through every little part of the show with a fine hair comb and explains how and why he did each bit.[/QUOTE]
What didnt he explain?
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[QUOTE=Trumple;38299473]Hypnosis could exist, I'm not denying it. I've not seen proof either way, though, and the articles I have read suggest hypnosis is more of a psychological thing, where when you know you're being hypnotised, you act as though you are (kind of like a placebo effect)
That is why if Steven WASN'T an actor, he'd not be expecting hypnosis and would, rather than falling sleep, give Darren a confused stare as he put his hand on his head
[editline]3rd November 2012[/editline]
I'm not sure if you're being serious or if you're missing my point: Why do you think Darren would tell the truth when millions of pounds are on the line for him? Of course he's going to make stuff up if it means he'd become loaded!
Scientific proof/articles is what I'm looking for. Otherwise it means nothing more than opinions, estimates and guesses[/QUOTE]
His book explains what he does and the scientific logic behind it such as ideo movement, and if that doesnt satisfy you, dole out some money on something here [url]http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=Hypnosis+and+Suggestion&btnG=&as_sdt=1%2C5&as_sdtp=[/url]
[QUOTE=SparkDog;38299817]How fucked up would it be if Derren hynotized Steve right after he went downstairs to see his family and woke him up in the hospital again[/QUOTE]
Me imagining that was quite hillarious. Thanks for the mental image :v:
[QUOTE=Superkilll307;38300317]What didnt he explain?[/QUOTE]
The [B]exact [/B]way in which he caused hypnosis
The [B]triggers [/B]he used to make it happen [sp]even over the phone[/sp]
The reason for choosing the [B]exact[/B] storyline he chose
And so forth. For the third time; usually all of this sort of information is discussed in detail.
cried like a little girl
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