Girls and political ideology - where did it all go wrong? - General

I know several girls who know a lot about politics and where they stand. But I also know a lot of stupid girls

[QUOTE=The DooD;29658283]I couldn't care less about politics. I don't even vote[/QUOTE] Even if you don't care about politicians or ideology you should at least vote. The outcome affects your life.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;29658869]Even if you don't care about politicians or ideology you should at least vote. The outcome affects your life.[/QUOTE] Not really, unless you're at least a little knowledgeable about what you're voting for, please don't.

[QUOTE=Shadaez;29658947]Not really, unless you're at least a little knowledgeable about what you're voting for, please don't.[/QUOTE] Well of course don't be stupid about it. I figured that was a given.

Politics are so fucking boring, I don't blame them.

I share your pain OP, it's really hard not turning misogynist when you have to listen to the same, mold-formed ideals of the female youths of today.

[QUOTE=Cheezy;29659082]it's really hard not turning misogynist[/QUOTE] not if you have a brain

OP, No. Most of the women I know are politically aware and left wing. Your presumptions are baseless or based on a faulty sample.

[QUOTE=Cheezy;29659082]same, mold-formed ideals of the female youths of today.[/QUOTE] It's generalization time everybody! Which one is it this time? Oh, it's women.

Interesting replies. Thank you. -------------------- I spoke to a lot of people at my school about this prior to posting and they all agreed with me pretty strongly, if not entirely. Perhaps my area or the people in my school are just a phenomenon. [b]As a bit of background to this area and me and the school:[/b] I'm 18 It's a 6th Form college (for those outside the UK, that means further-education after high-school for 16-18 year olds) All of the people in question in this anecdotal observation are 17 or 18 The area the school is in is middle-class but there are working class areas within 10 minutes walk from the school. The school is predominately made up of middle-class students although there are plenty of students from working-class backgrounds too In terms of ethnicity, it's probably around 80% white, 10% asian and 5% other Because it is a 6th Form at a grammar school, certain IQ tests must have been passed to go to the lower school and a set number of high-grades from high-school are required to attend the 6th Form. Just a bit of background info.

[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;29655911]"prison is way too cushy, people just go there cos it's easy. Prison should be punishment and nothing else" "poor people will only sell the laptops to pay for drug habits anyway"[/QUOTE] Well that just rustles my jimmies.

Most girls I know are ferociously against abortion, whereas most guys are indifferent.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;29658869]Even if you don't care about politicians or ideology you should at least vote. The outcome affects your life.[/QUOTE] I've never felt a change in leaders to have an effect on my life (probably because I've only been able to vote for a few months now), but I don't see what effect my single vote could have on my life, aside from maybe a tiny amount of exercise while walking down to a polling station.

[QUOTE=Kingy_why;29659237]Most girls I know are ferociously against abortion, whereas most guys are indifferent.[/QUOTE] So girls don't want girls to have choices? INTERESTING.

Heh, I have a chick in my Math class that is left winged and pretty much said "I don't know why Stephen Harper got back in power, he broke the law, and wants to criminalize abortion which is completely right, and stop stem cell research so we can't test products on things other than bunnies and monkeys, and screw over Canada again! Even worse now that they're majority!" While not entirely true (I think) she's pretty kickass. I'm thinking of asking her out if I have the balls. :P

this sort of sexism is the reason that women are discounted in politics, fyi don't even kid yourself women are just as politically active as men

[QUOTE=BrickInHead;29660344]this sort of sexism is the reason that women are discounted in politics, fyi don't even kid yourself women are just as politically active as men[/QUOTE] this kinda goes in circles are women not in politics because they are discounted in politics? or are they not in politics because they don't want to be in politics? do they not want to be in politics because of sexist socialisation? saying "women are discounted in politics" makes it seem like you've looked at parliament, or congress or whatever, and said "hey. it's like 99% men. that must mean that politics is sexist" which implies that women are trying to get involved but being allowed into upper echelon politics. figures, however, don't present social situations very well at all if you look at political party youth groups or council-level politics (in the UK) the demographic is still the same. so are girls not being allowed into these youth movements? of course not. it's because they're not trying to get involved. why are they not trying to get involved? sexist socialisation.

I don't know of any girls who care about politics, but if they do they're probably right wing. I live in a hardcore Conservative area of Canada so it makes sense.

Women.

Most girls I know are left-winged, and most girls I know are also pretty politically involved. You didn't meet every women in the world.

No one is good at politics. [editline]6th May 2011[/editline] ESPECIALLY not politicians

[QUOTE=Kopimi;29658172]Yeah, 16 year old girls not being interested in politics doesn't really surprise me.[/QUOTE] Why would one gender or another be more or less inclined to politics than the other? Amongst the people I know at least I can have intelligent and insightful conversations with all of them, male or female, and in fact often more with girls than boys, about current politics, a few of which furthering their studies at university in that subject area. The boys I have attempted to discuss politics with have generally just thrown around opinions that have been circulated offhandedly around Facebook during times of political interest, or have voted for the sake of voting - the same characteristics that girls have been accused of displaying. Both girls and boys will of course have a varying interest in politics depending on friend groups/social class etc. It just appears that in your friend group, the girls haven't been particularly fussed with politics. ('Your' as in OP, not you Kopimi).

[QUOTE=Jessbinx;29662227]Why would one gender or another be more or less inclined to politics than the other? Amongst the people I know at least I can have intelligent and insightful conversations with all of them, male or female, and in fact often more with girls than boys, about current politics, a few of which furthering their studies at university in that subject area. The boys I have attempted to discuss politics with have generally just thrown around opinions that have been circulated offhandedly around Facebook during times of political interest, or have voted for the sake of voting - the same characteristics that girls have been accused of displaying. Both girls and boys will of course have a varying interest in politics depending on friend groups/social class etc. It just appears that in your friend group, the girls haven't been particularly fussed with politics. ('Your' as in OP, not you Kopimi).[/QUOTE] would you say that boys tend to be the more outspoken gender?

[QUOTE=Sputn!k;29662274]would you say that boys tend to be the more outspoken gender?[/QUOTE] At my college, no. Most of the political discussions/debates are done by female students. The input by guys is still strong, but there is far less of a male political presence at college.

This is generalising like hell/specific to your own experiences. I'm female, politically minded and left wing. -fake snip- (Long winded and poorly structured mocking argument goes here). Basically most of the right-leaning people I know are male, religious and fairly rich. Oh wait that [B]is[/B] the stereotypical right-winger.

[QUOTE=cheesedelux;29662347]This is generalising like hell/specific to your own experiences.[/QUOTE] This is key right here. All you guys live in different areas, there's hardly a chance that the demographic's the same. Jessbinx, there's probably a reason the dudes have hardly any input at your college, probably because it appeals to girls more. OP's probably got some sort of invalidating fact about it too, I would think

[QUOTE=Sputn!k;29662401]This is key right here. All you guys live in different areas, there's hardly a chance that the demographic's the same. Jessbinx, there's probably a reason the dudes have hardly any input at your college, probably because it appeals to girls more. OP's probably got some sort of invalidating fact about it too, I would think[/QUOTE] Yeah, most probably. As I said previously, it is very much dependant on social circles/stances as well as biased opinions. For example, as my circle of friends is mostly female, it is much easier for me to see more girls who have an active interest in politics. Cheesedelux summed it up perfectly.

You complain about others making up statistics yet you think that your anecdotal evidence can somehow translate into a generalization that girls somehow "went wrong" with political ideology? Ignorance + generalization + sexism- fabulous.

OP is wrong on both counts. Women are more likely to vote than men, and a bigger proportion of them vote for liberal candidates. [url]http://www.apsanet.org/content_5270.cfm[/url]

liberal women are better in bed