Once I got to college I found many more people with minds like mine. Finally there were others whom I could discuss computers, literature and science with. It was comparable to a rebirth, and an incredible discovery that was so simple to obtain.
Later I realized I was pretty much of average intelligence, and had been making foolish assumptions about everyone around me for my entire life.
Having a simple interface to an amazingly complicated machine means the required standard to use the machine is lower, but the overall technical competence of the user base is also lowered. It's like cars. People aren't dumb because they can't fix their ECU, they just don't want or need that knowledge to get the use out of the machine they need.
OP needs to realize that [U]over[/U]simplified interfaces exist because people are "stupid". Not the other way around.
[QUOTE=Teh_Cheese;18558572]I disagree.
Simplified is not bad, you just like looking at hard core websites that have a bright green and black color scheme.[/QUOTE]
That's not hardcore. That's 12 year old kids making websites on freewebs.
I don't like oversimplified interfaces myself, it's frustrating trying to find something that's behind some "easy" path rather than a path based on the logic of previous similar programs. The new messengers, HP's "programs" (more like slideshows with occasional checkbox somewhere) and so on are so oversimplified it takes more time for me to find the options I need (if they are even available for being deemed too "advanced") than with a normal interface.
I don't want a million buttons and too many options but I can't work with one or two buttons either.
[QUOTE=bobste;18558545]why do things the hard way when you can do it the easy way[/QUOTE]
I agree.
My life is just so much easier since I discovered the combination of chloroform and "here, this smells awesome!"
[QUOTE=bobste;18558545]why do things the hard way when you can do it the easy way[/QUOTE]
If it's easy, it's wrong.
Not everyone can be a know it all computer geek like most of facepunch.
[QUOTE=teh pirate;18558534]I have come to the conclusion that simplified interfaces on everything are largely responsible for youth being [url=http://www.myspace.com/]fucking[/url] [url=http://www.twitter.com/]stupid[/url] [url=http://www.youtube.com/]idiots.[/url] Seriously. People are so used to having everything done for them by oversimplified interface that when someone does something the traditional way, confusion ensues.
There was a group of failures at my school who were shocked beyond belief when they discovered the address bar in Internet Explorer, and later the same group was chattering about how "Windowses" (PCs, I think) couldn't play games like the Xbox because when they tried to put their xbox games in the "Windows" disc drive it didn't work. To them, this meant that Windowses sucked in comparison to Xboxes and they asked me why the disc drive was there if games didn't work in it.
My technology teacher was amazed when I used the task manager to end a task that was slowing down the computer. She was determined that the only way to fix it was to unplug the computer and call technicians down to repair the issue, and when I showed her the task manager she didn't believe it at first and made me show it to her again.
Millions of other examples of this are found all over the world, and it can all be attributed to simplified interfaces. The fact that people are introduced to technology whose most important features are controlled by simple pictures and colorful graphics is dumbing people down to a point that makes me wonder how long humanity is going to last before it dumbs itself to death. Humans are supposed to be the master species of Earth and yet we've got these stupid little twits who somehow manage to get killed by housecats? :wtc:
I'm not even sure how to organize my thoughts on this. There's so much to say and so little ways to present it rationally. It's infuriating. But I'm sure Facepunch knows what I mean, right?
I want you guys to try to notify as many people of this danger as you can. Teach people how to use more complex aspects of technology, and explain the reasoning behind it to them. Get other people in on it. Maybe we can't completely change the inevitable, but we can sure as hell slow it down if we try. Seriously, guys. This is the future of humanity we're looking at, here. Look at the big picture. Even if this is mostly incoherent, you no doubt know what I'm talking about - so don't act like you're :downs: and don't understand. Please, guys. Take this seriously.[/QUOTE]
I agree. There should also be a complex way to make threads so you don't get any like this one.
Who got killed by a cat?
[QUOTE=teh pirate;18558927]
[img]http://www.letsgodigital.org/images/artikelen/64/ipod-touch.jpg[/img]
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What's wrong with that?
Its an iPod touch and it needs to be simplified for clear text anyway
Guys help people aren't as technological minded with me what's the best way to call them dumb and blame it on a gui
Not everyone is like this, OP lives in StupidVille.
This is why I spend half my time on the CLI: so I don't become retarded.
As it's relevant, posted from Lynx on an xterm.
This reminds me of this guy who goes to the same college as me.
In the IT room I told him the classic If you type google into google you break the internet so he immediatly went onto google to test this for himself and the moment he typed it in I pulled the ethernet cable out of his computer and so when he hit enter it came up with page cannot be displayed and he went absolutley nuts saying that it was that simple to destroy the internet that he was surprised terrorists hadn't destroyed the internet yet.
[QUOTE=gman003-main;18564662]This is why I spend half my time on the CLI: so I don't become retarded.
As it's relevant, posted from Lynx on an xterm.[/QUOTE]
As much as I hate Lynx, I give you props for using it.
Also, look up Yakuake. Turns the terminal into a console ala HL2. I like it a lot better.
[QUOTE=PLing;18563330]That's not hardcore. That's 12 year old kids making websites on freewebs.
I don't like oversimplified interfaces myself, it's frustrating trying to find something that's behind some "easy" path rather than a path based on the logic of previous similar programs. The new messengers, HP's "programs" (more like slideshows with occasional checkbox somewhere) and so on are so oversimplified it takes more time for me to find the options I need (if they are even available for beeing deemed too "advanced") than with a normal interface.
I don't want a million buttons and too many options but I can't work with one or two buttons either.[/QUOTE]
I agree, for some things.
However I find it's always better to compress buttons that are rarely used and clutter the interface. Hence making button trees or open-able panels.
For example I love the Chrome interface, they've removed the "File. View. Edit.."/ Titlebar and put the tabs up there, they've combined the search and address bar, made the bottom bar off by default and compressed a lot of buttons into 2, the "page" and "wrench".
All of these changed improve the user experience; they simplify it, while taking out none of the functionality.
So simplifying is definitely not a bad thing in a lot (most?) of cases.
One negative situation would be compressing all the photoshop tools into 2 menus and so on. As you want to get to those tools in one click and not 2 or 3.
OP:
As to why some people don't know how PC's work, well when talking to people who use over-complicated interfaces and have no clue what they're doing, the simply create "routines". Click here, click here, double click here and type "www.google.com" here and you get Google.
They don't know why but it works. So simplifying things makes it easier for the end user who "dont kno puters".
The problem is an education problem, or the person simply isn't the kind of person who wants to know how it works, they just want it to work.
It's just the way it is, you're welcome to tour the world and do lectures to our youth on how PC's work.
EDIT: I just googled Lynx and I have this to say: Oh mother Jesus god WHY!
[QUOTE=Teh_Cheese;18558572]I disagree.
Simplified is not bad, you just like looking at hard core websites that have a bright green and black color scheme.[/QUOTE]
He's not exactly saying that simple GUIs are bad; it's more a general concern about people using technology without really understanding it. I've no idea how a computer [i]actually[/i] works (I've ideas about logic gates and motherboards and whatnot but I don't get how you can put electricity in and out the other side get Half Life 2) and I don't know any coding languages, but I do at least comprehend the ideas of hardware and software and I know about how files work and whatnot. I couldn't work a computer from the 80s but I can work modern day ones.
What's he's saying is that if we get people who don't really know how to work these simplified computers, what chance do we have for the computer?
Having an oversimplified interface doesn't create idiots; it attracts them.
Because most people are lazy and stupid anyway, that's why simplified interfaces exist. Not the other way around.
yeah man go back to text interface
that wasn't a fucking asshole machine that bit you in the testicles or something
[QUOTE=peabrain101;18558738]Thread reminded me of:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BnLbv6QYcA[/media][/QUOTE]
The funny thing is that people on Youtube are actually thinking that this is real :v:
Did teh pirate ever go into detail about what exactly was over simplified?
I was thinking along the lines of asking me three times whether I'm sure I want to close an application without saving.
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[quote=Dlaory]You are all idiots for thinking that this is real.[/quote]
[IMG]http://i429.photobucket.com/albums/qq12/the1trueryandaniels/high_five.png[/IMG]
That story almost seems too stupid to be true.
[QUOTE=teh pirate;18558876]What is your argument even based on? That it's profitable to keep people stupid?[/QUOTE]
It's profitable to have a GUI because a command line is fucking annoying to dick with.
Hey u guiz dyh about dat fit bitch last nite? she was like wel smal an she barly fit n dat wus awesum
I swear my high school is full of fucking geniuses because I've never met anyone that stupid.
[url=http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/]Here OP, have this operating system[/url], and see how long it takes you to get it installed.
Simplification is why technology is able to make things easier to do than before. You don't expect the average PC user to fiddle around with back-end CLIs just to boot their PC, do you?
OP is kind of ignorant.
We are at the peak of our intelligence. And the reason why some people sound dumb because they don't know alot about technology or can spell perfectly is because we are getting so used to intelligent people that the slightest bit of idiocy is extremely frowned upon.
And if you really believe that we are all idiots.. then just make sure you teach your kids to be as "intelligent as you are".
[QUOTE=Doug52392;18570149][url=http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/]Here OP, have this operating system[/url], and see how long it takes you to get it installed.
Simplification is why technology is able to make things easier to do than before. You don't expect the average PC user to fiddle around with back-end CLIs just to boot their PC, do you?[/QUOTE]
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amirite
ITT: Dorks rage because people don't know as much as them. (see teh pirate)
Give me a break guys, are you really this socially inept? Just because someone doesn't know as much as you do doesn't mean you call them an idiot. Jesus Christ, how many of you have friends here?
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