[QUOTE=Socrates;44749988][B]WHY AREN'T YOU PART OF THE AMERICAN UNION[/B][/QUOTE]
It doesn't exist? When it does I'll be sure to contact your newest alt account to satisfy my burning desire to consider myself the winner of a meaningless argument on an obscure forum
[QUOTE=ionuttzu;44749895]Well gee I wonder what the EU helps with[/QUOTE]
but there are countries that are not in the eu like norway and switzerland whom both can trade freely in the EU
EEC and EFTA i think
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;44749892]Which the EU facilitates very well.[/QUOTE]
Any better though?
[url]http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-27284489[/url]
[QUOTE=DaysBefore;44750120]It doesn't exist? When it does I'll be sure to contact your newest alt account to satisfy my burning desire to consider myself the winner of a meaningless argument on an obscure forum[/QUOTE]
It was a joke but I was reffering to the fact that the northern colonies (current Canada) didn't join the union of colonies (USA) formed after the american revolutionary war.
I wonder if he also argues so vehemently for the independence of Scotland.
Anybody who argues that UK should lose all dependence with EU should automatically admit and agree with Scotland's independence on the rest of the UK, mainly if it's all in name of democracy.
[editline]8th May 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Midas22;44750108]I like it how everyone just instantly labels him an old miserable git even though he's sourced everything in his youtube channel. At least try to actually refute what he's saying instead of calling him names, Facepunch. After all, you absolutely loved last week's video and ate that shit up, didn't you? Don't take this for me supporting him or going against him, you guys are just a bunch of fucking hypocrites is all.[/QUOTE]
I personally found the last video hilarious and gave me a good idea about how much of an old muddled stump her is.
~Prob 2 l8 but w/ever~
When people say "everything will go better when the old generation dies off", he's exactly what comes to my mind.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;44750205]When people say "everything will go better when the old generation dies off", he's exactly what comes to my mind.[/QUOTE]
I dunno I think my grandparents are pretty nice people.
[QUOTE=DaysBefore;44749505]So when you make your next RC thread are you going to fess up about being an alt or still play dumb
[editline]7th May 2014[/editline]
Yeah he gets sick winner ratings, certainly has nothing to do with Facepunch's large Islamophobic community[/QUOTE]
I don't understand how you can be a feminist and pro-Islam, you need to pick a side.
Or does their "culture" need to be respected?
[QUOTE=Shreddinger;44750249]I don't understand how you can be a feminist and pro-Islam, you need to pick a side.
Or does their "culture" need to be respected?[/QUOTE]
Not being Islamophobic isn't being pro-Islam...
I usually disagree with most "left" things, but a lot of people genuinely are idiots when it comes to Islam and the muslim world and are just terrible reactionaries.
[QUOTE=Midas22;44750241]I dunno I think my grandparents are pretty nice people.[/QUOTE]
Sorry they deserve to die off because they have codgy old people opinions, that's just how the internet works
[QUOTE=Shreddinger;44750249]I don't understand how you can be a feminist and pro-Islam, you need to pick a side.
Or does their "culture" need to be respected?[/QUOTE]
You can support Islam while believing it needs to change and reform.
[editline]8th May 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=DaysBefore;44750267]Sorry they deserve to die off because they have codgy old people opinions, that's just how the internet works[/QUOTE]
I never did implied all people should. This particular beautiful individual is example of case where it's desirable.
[QUOTE=Aman;44750266]Not being Islamophobic isn't being pro-Islam...
I usually disagree with most "left" things, but a lot of people genuinely are idiots when it comes to Islam and the muslim world and are just terrible reactionaries.[/QUOTE]
Really, the only thing I've seen from Muslims on FP is how one of them defended lashings as correct way to punish someone in the modern age, and how sexualizing female children by putting a hijab on them so that they wont get raped is not extreme, there's nothing good about Islam.
There was a whole fucking thread about it, no one came out with reasonable arguments.
[QUOTE=Shreddinger;44750249]I don't understand how you can be a feminist and pro-Islam, you need to pick a side.
Or does their "culture" need to be respected?[/QUOTE]
Yo if you really need it explained that I can respect the religious beliefs of a person while still condemning the individual acts or statements that religion puts forth that are objectively awful than I don't what to say, beyond what I just said anyway.
Obvs I'm not respecting the culture of backwater Islamist sheep herders who, well, are just awful. But at the same time I do not share this old dudes hate affair (Nor the hate affairs of countless socially incompetent internet nerds) with all Islam because I have seen and grown up up with literally hundreds of perfectly nice, and respectable Muslims who generally value social equality, mostly thanks to that most time-honoured religious tradition, cherry-picking.
[QUOTE=Aman;44750266]Not being Islamophobic isn't being pro-Islam...
I usually disagree with most "left" things, but a lot of people genuinely are idiots when it comes to Islam and the muslim world and are just terrible reactionaries.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for assist A-Dog (I guess??)
[editline]7th May 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Shreddinger;44750286]Really, the only thing I've seen from Muslims on FP is how one of them defended lashings as correct way to punish someone in the modern age, and how sexualizing female children by putting a hijab on them so that they wont get raped is not extreme, there's nothing good about Islam.
There was a whole fucking thread about it, no one came out with reasonable arguments.[/QUOTE]
Are the Facepunch Muslims you're talking about you with an alt account and a fake beard from the dollar store because if not you're obviously joking
[QUOTE=DaysBefore;44750299]Yo if you really need it explained that I can respect the religious beliefs of a person while still condemning the individual acts or statements that religion puts forth that are objectively awful than I don't what to say, beyond what I just said anyway.
Obvs I'm not respecting the culture of backwater Islamist sheep herders who, well, are just awful. But at the same time I do not share this old dudes hate affair (Nor the hate affairs of countless socially incompetent internet nerds) with all Islam because I have seen and grown up up with literally hundreds of perfectly nice, and respectable Muslims who generally value social equality, mostly thanks to that most time-honoured religious tradition, cherry-picking.
Thanks for assist A-Dog (I guess??)[/QUOTE]
I really don't understand how you can respect a belief in such vile things.
I can understand if you can respect them as people, but their beliefs is not something that can be respected.
Hey Eurosceptic Swedish dude I can hardly respond to your visitor messages if you disable your own and prevent me from PMing you!!
[QUOTE=DaysBefore;44750299]Yo if you really need it explained that I can respect the religious beliefs of a person while still condemning the individual acts or statements that religion puts forth that are objectively awful than I don't what to say, beyond what I just said anyway.
Obvs I'm not respecting the culture of backwater Islamist sheep herders who, well, are just awful. But at the same time I do not share this old dudes hate affair (Nor the hate affairs of countless socially incompetent internet nerds) with all Islam because I have seen and grown up up with literally hundreds of perfectly nice, and respectable Muslims who generally value social equality, mostly thanks to that most time-honoured religious tradition, cherry-picking.
Thanks for assist A-Dog (I guess??)
[editline]7th May 2014[/editline]
Are the Facepunch Muslims you're talking about you with an alt account and a fake beard from the dollar store because if not you're obviously joking[/QUOTE]
No, they weren't alts, pretty active members.
[QUOTE=Shreddinger;44750311]I really don't understand how you can respect a belief in such vile things.
I can understand if you can respect them as people, but their beliefs is not something that can be respected.[/QUOTE]
Yes I respect them as individuals and I respect their right to the free practice of religion
However
Above all I respect the laws and societal values of the west at large and Canada in particular that enshrine total unquestioned equality and the fair treatment of all. I'm not so blinded by my tumblr homepage as to ignore the vile underbelly of popular Islam (Much like the vile underbelly of, well, every religion) but I'm not going to condemn the whole for actions and beliefs of any amount of their fellows.
[editline]7th May 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Shreddinger;44750320]No, they weren't alts, pretty active members.[/QUOTE]
Okay. You ever seen an SH thread about a child rapist or a serial murderer? Ever seen the opinions on justice and punishment put forth by white American atheist males on our beloved forums, many of whom are veteran posters? Do you now condemn American atheists because of their desire to see a child rapist tortured and killed in cold blood by the state?
[QUOTE=DaysBefore;44750328]Yes I respect them as individuals and I respect their right to the free practice of religion
However
Above all I respect the laws and societal values of the west at large and Canada in particular that enshrine total unquestioned equality and the fair treatment of all. I'm not so blinded by my tumblr homepage as to ignore the vile underbelly of popular Islam (Much like the vile underbelly of, well, every religion) but I'm not going to condemn the whole for actions and beliefs of any amount of their fellows.[/QUOTE]
Well I can also respect them as individuals, I'm not condemning them for the actions of all of the followers of Islam, but by believing in Islam, they support the religion, which in turn supports misogyny, rape, murder, etc...
[editline]8th May 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=DaysBefore;44750328]Yes I respect them as individuals and I respect their right to the free practice of religion
However
Above all I respect the laws and societal values of the west at large and Canada in particular that enshrine total unquestioned equality and the fair treatment of all. I'm not so blinded by my tumblr homepage as to ignore the vile underbelly of popular Islam (Much like the vile underbelly of, well, every religion) but I'm not going to condemn the whole for actions and beliefs of any amount of their fellows.
[editline]7th May 2014[/editline]
Okay. You ever seen an SH thread about a child rapist or a serial murderer? Ever seen the opinions on justice and punishment put forth by white American atheist males on our beloved forums, many of whom are veteran posters? Do you now condemn American atheists because of their desire to see a child rapist tortured and killed in cold blood by the state?[/QUOTE]
There's a difference between atheists since atheism is not actually a religion, and we don't have rules that tell us how to properly beat our wife, pretty bad comparison.
^ holy shit is this guy serious
[QUOTE=Diet Kane;44750353]^ holy shit is this guy serious[/QUOTE]
If you actually believe in a book that has all these barbaric rules, it's much different than an ideology that rejects the concept of god, what is so funny about that?
[QUOTE=Shreddinger;44750286]Really, the only thing I've seen from Muslims on FP is how one of them defended lashings as correct way to punish someone in the modern age, and how sexualizing female children by putting a hijab on them so that they wont get raped is not extreme, there's nothing good about Islam.
There was a whole fucking thread about it, no one came out with reasonable arguments.[/QUOTE]
I think I know what you are talking about with the guy who was talking about lashings, if I'm correct in who I'm thinking of then you are taking what he said out of context.
The guy who was talking about lashings was explaining how in the modern context lashings weren't done violently, as in bleeding back lashings. He was saying how they were essentially done as a way to embarrass the person, not to cause pain.
I also don't remember him saying anything about it being correct or not, just that the context of lashings isn't what people automatically assumed it was.
[QUOTE=Valnar;44750366]I think I know what you are talking about with the guy who was talking about lashings, if I'm correct who I'm thinking of then you are taking what he said out of context.
The guy who was talking about lashings was explaining how in the modern context lashings weren't done as violently, as in bleeding back lashings. He was saying how they were essentially done as a way to embarrass the person, not to cause pain.
I also don't remember him saying anything about it being correct or not, just that the context of lashings isn't what people automatically assumed it was.[/QUOTE]
He's still kind of defending it, it's not taken out of context.
[QUOTE=Shreddinger;44750365]If you actually believe in a book that has all these barbaric rules, it's much different than an ideology that rejects the concept of god, what is so funny about that?[/QUOTE]
oh dear, i think I stepped into /r/atheism
[QUOTE=Diet Kane;44750375]oh dear, i think I stepped into /r/atheism[/QUOTE]
No it's still Facepunch, at least for now. This time next year, however...
[editline]7th May 2014[/editline]
..........
[QUOTE=Shreddinger;44750372]He's still kind of defending it, it's not taken out of context.[/QUOTE]
He was saying that it was essentially equivalent as a spanking for an adult.
When you said
[quote]Really, the only thing I've seen from Muslims on FP is how one of them defended lashings as correct way to punish someone in the modern age[/quote]
You are giving the impression that the person was defending bloody back lashings or something like that. That's how you were taking it out of context.
[QUOTE=Diet Kane;44750375]oh dear, i think I stepped into /r/atheism[/QUOTE]
Instead of using ad-hominem crap right now, how about you actually put out a reasonable argument?
if you can't understand the difference between a religion that has its own rules, and a simple ideology that rejects the concept of god, I have nothing to say to you.
I've never been to reddit in my life, so that really says more about you than me.
[editline]8th May 2014[/editline]
Taking you seriously was a mistake that wont happen again, I have no idea why I excepted a reasonable argument with you, lol.
This is basically backpedaling
[QUOTE=Shreddinger;44750396]
Taking you seriously was a mistake that wont happen again, I have no idea why I excepted a reasonable argument with you, lol.
[/QUOTE]
Took the words right out of my mouth.
[QUOTE=Fayez;44750439]Took the words right out of my mouth.[/QUOTE]
The only thing I've heard from you is that "you don't understand my religion"
great argument there.
Basically he tried to compare two different things to justify his point (which is retarded)
and he also used atheism as a try to appeal to emotion, then when I asked him why he's comparing two different things, lol r/atheism.
might as well said, *tips fedora*
"lol sjw"
Also, here are the quotes you asked in the other thread, incase you forgot.
[url]http://quran.com/8/39[/url]
[url]http://quran.com/9/29[/url]
[url]http://quran.com/9/5[/url]
[url]http://quran.com/9/11[/url]
[url]http://quran.com/9/56-57[/url]
[url]http://quran.com/2/193[/url]
[url]http://quran.com/3/83[/url]
[QUOTE=Socrates;44749988]That's not logical. The EU is not only a economical union, it is a politcal union. Just because trade agreements are made in the EU currently doesn't mean they couldn't have been made without it, or that the EU on the whole is a good thing.[/QUOTE]This is like saying that diplomacy and economics are easier if everyone is separate instead of in a more interconnected entity. Would economics in the U.S. be better if the union were dissolved and every state did its own thing? What if Sweden just dissolved in to individual city-states? It so fucking dumb yet explains the EU fear perfectly. "I don't know what I'm talking about and complex things scare me!"
(Also, the communications you mentioned are part of diplomacy. Now you know.)
[QUOTE][B]WHY AREN'T YOU PART OF THE AMERICAN UNION[/B][/QUOTE]There is no union of North American countries, and right now no one really cares enough to make one, it wouldn't be a terrible idea though. It's been mentioned in the past to form more open ended economic and political ties between North American countries but usually gets met with paranoid Ron Paul Alex Jones idiots crying about the NWO.
[QUOTE]I would argue that it inherently makes democracy weaker, more difficult and is a bit like putting all of your eggs in one basket.[/QUOTE]And you'd have no idea what you're talking about. Its does nothing to harm democracy no matter how much you cry about commissioners and garbage. Worst case scenario, no change, best case scenario, its another level of democracy for people to participate in.
States/Countries are (typically) unions of provinces. Provinces are unions of cities. Cities are unions of people.
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