Automotive Addicts Lounge V4 - Lube my pistons, baby

[Texasbbwlover]

[QUOTE=Trekintosh;49982632][B]!!Rambling potential project babbling alert!![/B]

Things are looking up for the business and we haven't sold the Cruiser yet, so I was thinking of asking to spend the money from that on getting a roller chassis and a drivetrain for it.

What kind of feasibility troubles would I run into stuffing a relatively modern midsized some-cylinder engine into a 193x-195x car of some sort? I know it's a vague question. I guess I'm asking how hard would it be to take a 1940ish car of some sort (there's actually a huge selection of reasonably priced rollers around here) and drop a reasonably reliable powerplant in it, maybe only about 200 horsepower so a GM 350 or something in it. As long as the sump clears the frame rails and there's room in the transmission tunnel, it should be doable relatively easily, right?

I mean off the top of the Craigslist in the under $1000 asking range for alleged mostly complete rollers there's a Desoto 4-door, a Hudson Commadore, a Nash Rambler Classic, a Ford Falcon, a 47 Chevy, a '60 Merc 190, a '40 GMC dump truck, a '49 Willis Wagon, a '57 Jeep, a Pontiac Star Chief, a Volvo PV 544, a Stude Pickup, a Packard DeLuxe, and more!

I was even thinking of doing something really out there and putting a Honda or Toyota 4-pot in one. Are there any RWD solutions for those, Hondayota guys? I mean presumably I'd need the whole drivetrain except for possibly the rear end, so what's the cheapest solution for that? We're expecting to get about 3-4 grand out of the Cruiser (yes, really) so a thousand bucks for the roller leaves a modest amount for the drivetrain, since I'd need brakes and probably suspension. I'd budget a thousand bucks for the drivetrain, really. I'm not expecting to make any kind of speed monster, just a semi-driveable uniquity that I can cruise around in.

Can I get some advice on those honda/toyota motors in particular from you guys? Preferably something that's relatively self-contained and can make about 200hp N/A or with a tiny turbo. Other suggestions for power are welcome, except LS's and Chevy V6's (every engine swap project around here has a Chevy V6 in it), but I like the idea of putting a buzzy 4-pot in a big lump of old steel.[/QUOTE]

What about a straight six? There should be room in most of those. Maybe a Ford 300 with a four barrel carb, or something.

[Raygen]

[QUOTE=Jimmaye;49982108]Thanks for taking interest. The Beemer as a 'few' issues, a blown clutch master and slave, buggered tyres, front shocks are gone, putting it in gear moving the lever around is about the same when in neutral (bushes) and new vacuum lines are required. Also the whole exhaust system is leaky (gaskets) and the muffler is rusted out, she still runs on leaded fuel.

It hasnt been to hard of a car to work on, im just waiting for major parts, the clutch master for the RHD cars is difficult and expensive to get. The M20 motor starts and runs! but could run better with new vacuum lines, from driving it up and down the street with out a clutch the gearbox shifts very well!

There is one part I'd like to chase up from you and thats a shift lever boot, do you have any spare[/QUOTE]

That's not too bad of a list, should be workable. Any rust around?

Vacuum lines might be best to just get straight from a BMW dealer, they usually have a strong supply network that can get you any parts within one day (for a relatively heavy price though). Just like other regular wear and tear parts. Except for clutch master and slave, you should probably get those from car part stores that do old BMWs.

I'm sorry I'll have to disappoint you on the shift lever boot, ours was fine (the car was only really used for the first 11 years of its lifetime anyway.) And besides, we're operating on a bit of a student budget, so keeping spares around usually isn't part of the project :v:

I would absolutely recommend, though, that you find some sort of BMW owners' or enthusiasts' club near you, especially one that's geared towards the E28. The one we're part of is an awesome source of information and second-hand parts, and the meetings are always fun.

[TheBirdman]

[QUOTE=Trekintosh;49982632][B]!!Rambling potential project babbling alert!![/B]

Things are looking up for the business and we haven't sold the Cruiser yet, so I was thinking of asking to spend the money from that on getting a roller chassis and a drivetrain for it.

What kind of feasibility troubles would I run into stuffing a relatively modern midsized some-cylinder engine into a 193x-195x car of some sort? I know it's a vague question. I guess I'm asking how hard would it be to take a 1940ish car of some sort (there's actually a huge selection of reasonably priced rollers around here) and drop a reasonably reliable powerplant in it, maybe only about 200 horsepower so a GM 350 or something in it. As long as the sump clears the frame rails and there's room in the transmission tunnel, it should be doable relatively easily, right?

I mean off the top of the Craigslist in the under $1000 asking range for alleged mostly complete rollers there's a Desoto 4-door, a Hudson Commadore, a Nash Rambler Classic, a Ford Falcon, a 47 Chevy, a '60 Merc 190, a '40 GMC dump truck, a '49 Willis Wagon, a '57 Jeep, a Pontiac Star Chief, a Volvo PV 544, a Stude Pickup, a Packard DeLuxe, and more!

I was even thinking of doing something really out there and putting a Honda or Toyota 4-pot in one. Are there any RWD solutions for those, Hondayota guys? I mean presumably I'd need the whole drivetrain except for possibly the rear end, so what's the cheapest solution for that? We're expecting to get about 3-4 grand out of the Cruiser (yes, really) so a thousand bucks for the roller leaves a modest amount for the drivetrain, since I'd need brakes and probably suspension. I'd budget a thousand bucks for the drivetrain, really. I'm not expecting to make any kind of speed monster, just a semi-driveable uniquity that I can cruise around in.

Can I get some advice on those honda/toyota motors in particular from you guys? Preferably something that's relatively self-contained and can make about 200hp N/A or with a tiny turbo. Other suggestions for power are welcome, except LS's and Chevy V6's (every engine swap project around here has a Chevy V6 in it), but I like the idea of putting a buzzy 4-pot in a big lump of old steel.[/QUOTE]

4banger in an old cast iron fridge of a car? Heresy.

My friend has a 48 international pickup on a jeep 4x4 chassis that hes planning on switching out for a chevy 3/4 ton chassis.

[Serj22]

I don't think anyone has failed to stuff a modern engine into anything. Usually you just put the body on a modern frame, or a simple two tube frame and go. Any engine, any oil pan, etc...

I've been watching a few SRT4 Darts be built, 1960s steel, with a Turbocharged 4 cylinder and rear wheel drive. The other one I saw that was particularly interesting was a 1968 Dart with I believe a twin turbo K20 or K24 Honda. I'm ok with all of it, as long as it helps keep the car on the road.

Also why would you want a Ford inline 6 in anything? 300ci for 122hp? Get you a slant six. And then turbo the hell out of it if you go that route.

[LineArc]

If you're gonna swap a 6 cylinder into anything, why stick with old architecture that was never intended to go over 60mph, 2JZ or bust! 12v cummins if its a truck

[Doritos_Man]

I have the option of buying an apparently "mint" dash for my Miata for $120. My dash cracked/is cracking. When I say cracking, it's kinda like this one:

[img]http://revlimiter.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/DSC_4900-590x392.jpg[/img]

Should I do it?

[dude709]

cant toyota/lexus v8's be had for a couple hundo?

[turke]

[QUOTE=Doritos_Man;49983903]I have the option of buying an apparently "mint" dash for my Miata for $120. My dash cracked/is cracking. When I say cracking, it's kinda like this one:

[img]http://revlimiter.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/DSC_4900-590x392.jpg[/img]

Should I do it?[/QUOTE]

thats literally nothing, maybe when its GM tier

[Doritos_Man]

[QUOTE=rampageturke 2;49983991]thats literally nothing, maybe when its GM tier[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I know it's pretty small but the guy is local and it's cheap. Hmmm

[TheBirdman]

[QUOTE=Birdman101;49983231]4banger in an old cast iron fridge of a car? Heresy.

My friend has a 48 international pickup on a jeep 4x4 chassis that hes planning on switching out for a chevy 3/4 ton chassis.[/QUOTE]

Shit, I take this back. Get any of those old steel bathtubs you were talking about and put in a 4bt. Doesn't have to be a rat rod, even a semi-nice or survivor condition car would benefit from clouds of black smoke and hella tork. Or, you could keep it tasteful and not tune it to dump fuel in, and then you'd still have a simple as shit drivetrain with more power than a cool cruiser would ever need.

[Grenadiac]

[QUOTE=Doritos_Man;49983903]I have the option of buying an apparently "mint" dash for my Miata for $120. My dash cracked/is cracking. When I say cracking, it's kinda like this one:

[img]http://revlimiter.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/DSC_4900-590x392.jpg[/img]

Should I do it?[/QUOTE]

That's nothing, my eclipse's dash cracked so bad a chunk of it exploded up and bounced off the windshield when I touched it.

[crazycory65]

So i decided on what to do, I have like 1,000 left over a month, house will be paid off in a year + raises after that and it only means more extra a month. Instead of getting a newerish car and taking on a car payment, I decided to just build my 300zx. Now its a 1991 NA, should I save up the money and get the TT Motor or just build what I got?

[Del91]

Ls swap bruh

[editline]22nd March 2016[/editline]

[Media]https://youtu.be/nCXfXX8z8wQ[/media]

[crazycory65]

Aww, but I want to keep it JDM :saddowns: But it's not out of the question

[Van-man]

[QUOTE=crazycory65;49984780]Aww, but I want to keep it JDM :saddowns: But it's not out of the question[/QUOTE]

[URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazda_Wankel_engine#13B"]Dual doritos engine.[/URL]

[DPkiller]

[QUOTE=rampageturke 2;49983991]thats literally nothing, maybe when its GM tier[/QUOTE]

Dont make me cry.

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;49984463]That's nothing, my eclipse's dash cracked so bad a chunk of it exploded up and bounced off the windshield when I touched it.[/QUOTE]

Silicone fixes everything.

[butre]

[QUOTE=crazycory65;49984651]So i decided on what to do, I have like 1,000 left over a month, house will be paid off in a year + raises after that and it only means more extra a month. Instead of getting a newerish car and taking on a car payment, I decided to just build my 300zx. Now its a 1991 NA, should I save up the money and get the TT Motor or just build what I got?[/QUOTE]

forged internals and single turbo making 25 psi

[Slayer3032]

[QUOTE=Trekintosh;49982632][B]!!Rambling potential project babbling alert!![/B]

Things are looking up for the business and we haven't sold the Cruiser yet, so I was thinking of asking to spend the money from that on getting a roller chassis and a drivetrain for it.

What kind of feasibility troubles would I run into stuffing a relatively modern midsized some-cylinder engine into a 193x-195x car of some sort? I know it's a vague question. I guess I'm asking how hard would it be to take a 1940ish car of some sort (there's actually a huge selection of reasonably priced rollers around here) and drop a reasonably reliable powerplant in it, maybe only about 200 horsepower so a GM 350 or something in it. As long as the sump clears the frame rails and there's room in the transmission tunnel, it should be doable relatively easily, right?

I mean off the top of the Craigslist in the under $1000 asking range for alleged mostly complete rollers there's a Desoto 4-door, a Hudson Commadore, a Nash Rambler Classic, a Ford Falcon, a 47 Chevy, a '60 Merc 190, a '40 GMC dump truck, a '49 Willis Wagon, a '57 Jeep, a Pontiac Star Chief, a Volvo PV 544, a Stude Pickup, a Packard DeLuxe, and more!

I was even thinking of doing something really out there and putting a Honda or Toyota 4-pot in one. Are there any RWD solutions for those, Hondayota guys? I mean presumably I'd need the whole drivetrain except for possibly the rear end, so what's the cheapest solution for that? We're expecting to get about 3-4 grand out of the Cruiser (yes, really) so a thousand bucks for the roller leaves a modest amount for the drivetrain, since I'd need brakes and probably suspension. I'd budget a thousand bucks for the drivetrain, really. I'm not expecting to make any kind of speed monster, just a semi-driveable uniquity that I can cruise around in.

Can I get some advice on those honda/toyota motors in particular from you guys? Preferably something that's relatively self-contained and can make about 200hp N/A or with a tiny turbo. Other suggestions for power are welcome, except LS's and Chevy V6's (every engine swap project around here has a Chevy V6 in it), but I like the idea of putting a buzzy 4-pot in a big lump of old steel.[/QUOTE]

Don't bother with Honda stuff, RWD Honda stuff has S2000 "worth it's weight in gold" tax. Older honda stuff is all CCW rotating and there's no RWD transmissions even out there. You could go K series which is cheaper than F20C but unless you get a K24 CRV lump you're gonna pay good money.

You could go J series V6... Here's where we're gonna get crazy, custom and possibly expensive but you can find a J lump from any old Ddyssey, Pilot, TL or Accord for really cheap. Now there's basically two ways to go J RWD, there's a JV6 swap Miata kit which you can go out right now and buy but you're gonna pay 6x what you paid for the motor alone and you'd still need a Miata trans.
[url]http://www.superfastmiatas.com/JV6%20Miata%20Kit.html[/url]

HOWEVERRRR, you want old school anyways right? You really want that old school feel? There's like one single guy on this planet who runs a twin turbo J series adapted to a fucking powerglide through a 8.8 in an S2000. If you could somehow convince the guy who made it for him to make you one as well you could possibly pull it off.
[url]https://www.facebook.com/ChrisEpicTuningService/[/url]
[url]https://www.facebook.com/bill.hincher/media_set?set=a.810955332334336.1073741844.100002596308162&type=3[/url]

Otherwise, I'd go like KA24DE or maybe something Toyota like the 3RZ Tacoma motor. Both come in RWD and manual while being dirt cheap. If you want to go American, I'd say 4.0 Jeep motors. If you want to go even more off a tangent, look up the VW TDI Toyotas. It's decently common for Toyota guys to swap in the VW TDI motors into their Toyotas and since they're already diesel there shouldn't be much computer stuff to run either.

[Van-man]

[QUOTE=slayer3032;49986097]Otherwise, I'd go like KA24DE or maybe something Toyota like the 3RZ Tacoma motor. Both come in RWD and manual while being dirt cheap. If you want to go American, I'd say 4.0 Jeep motors. If you want to go even more off a tangent, look up the VW TDI Toyotas. It's decently common for Toyota guys to swap in the VW TDI motors into their Toyotas and since they're already diesel there shouldn't be much computer stuff to run either.[/QUOTE]

Older TDI Engines with Bosch distributor pumps and most Pumpe-düse have a 16bit ECU can can be flashed for cheap by someone with the right gear and basically then be used to the same extend as a typical aftermarket ECU can for gasoline engines.

Stay away from the 8-bit ECU's though, they're a PITA to work with in comparison because they're so limited due to old & gimped microcontroller.

And when the ECU has been stripped down to bare essentials software-wise and immobilizer has been deleted, then you can trim down the harness.

I've even seen examples where the TDI dash cluster was ditched in favor for a adapter circuit sending tach signal to the original gauge cluster, and the original TDI pedal assembly were ditched for a in-engine-bay potentiometer for the speeder so the original throttle cable hooked up to that instead of the throttle body of original gasoline engine.

I know older Peugeots with electronically governed engines had those, which are often used in such conversions here in europe.

[editline]22nd March 2016[/editline]

Also take a look here:
[url]https://forums.tdiclub.com/forumdisplay.php?f=63[/url]

[Trekintosh]

[t]http://i.imgur.com/YMBEJ6n.jpeg[/t]

It has no grille, it has no face.
This old bumper needs a replace.

[dwt110]

[QUOTE=dude709;49983967]cant toyota/lexus v8's be had for a couple hundo?[/QUOTE]

You could probably find a decently nice 1UZ-FE between $500-$1000 if you hunt around.

ex. [URL="http://www.ebay.com/itm/98-01-TOYOTA-LEXUS-LS400-SC400-GS400-JDM-1UZ-FE-VVT-i-V8-4-0L-ENGINE-1UZ-MOTOR-/172111183203?hash=item2812a03d63:g:jwcAAOSwzgRWy1yR&vxp=mtr"]http://www.ebay.com/itm/98-01-TOYOTA-LEXUS-LS400-SC400-GS400-JDM-1UZ-FE-VVT-i-V8-4-0L-ENGINE-1UZ-MOTOR-/172111183203?hash=item2812a03d63:g:jwcAAOSwzgRWy1yR&vxp=mtr[/URL]

[turke]

ls swap for $500 and an afternoon

[Ridge]

Mazda just had their big reveal. I don't like it.

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/TXkV4tih.jpg[/IMG]

[Missing User]

The weird gap in the roof which I assume is going to be a tiny soft-top

[editline]22nd March 2016[/editline]

but other than that, I like it

[turke]

[QUOTE=Ridge;49987165]Mazda just had their big reveal. I don't like it.

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/TXkV4tih.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

more info?

[Npc_Hydra3]

[QUOTE=Doritos_Man;49983903]I have the option of buying an apparently "mint" dash for my Miata for $120. My dash cracked/is cracking. When I say cracking, it's kinda like this one:

[IMG]http://revlimiter.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/DSC_4900-590x392.jpg[/IMG]

Should I do it?[/QUOTE]

Y we talking about cracked dashes?
[t]http://i.imgur.com/FXQl1yG.jpg[/t]
get it? Because it's like a Y

[Ridge]

[QUOTE=rampageturke 2;49987205]more info?[/QUOTE]

Mazda MX-5 RF, they're calling it.

[img]http://i.imgur.com/DjuaKBzh.jpg[/img]

[turke]

I like it and I usually don't like Targas that much

[Trekintosh]

[QUOTE=slayer3032;49986097]Don't bother with Honda stuff, RWD Honda stuff has S2000 "worth it's weight in gold" tax. Older honda stuff is all CCW rotating and there's no RWD transmissions even out there. You could go K series which is cheaper than F20C but unless you get a K24 CRV lump you're gonna pay good money.

You could go J series V6... Here's where we're gonna get crazy, custom and possibly expensive but you can find a J lump from any old Ddyssey, Pilot, TL or Accord for really cheap. Now there's basically two ways to go J RWD, there's a JV6 swap Miata kit which you can go out right now and buy but you're gonna pay 6x what you paid for the motor alone and you'd still need a Miata trans.
[url]http://www.superfastmiatas.com/JV6%20Miata%20Kit.html[/url]

HOWEVERRRR, you want old school anyways right? You really want that old school feel? There's like one single guy on this planet who runs a twin turbo J series adapted to a fucking powerglide through a 8.8 in an S2000. If you could somehow convince the guy who made it for him to make you one as well you could possibly pull it off.
[url]https://www.facebook.com/ChrisEpicTuningService/[/url]
[url]https://www.facebook.com/bill.hincher/media_set?set=a.810955332334336.1073741844.100002596308162&type=3[/url]

Otherwise, I'd go like KA24DE or maybe something Toyota like the 3RZ Tacoma motor. Both come in RWD and manual while being dirt cheap. If you want to go American, I'd say 4.0 Jeep motors. If you want to go even more off a tangent, look up the VW TDI Toyotas. It's decently common for Toyota guys to swap in the VW TDI motors into their Toyotas and since they're already diesel there shouldn't be much computer stuff to run either.[/QUOTE]

Good info, thanks. I was just thinking of Hondayota engines because when you look for complete running engines on Craigslist around here, you find Hondas and Toyotas right at the bottom of the price barrel. I'm not really looking for fabricating custom transmission adapters and such, I'd much rather just find a matching pair tranny/engine than anything else. I'm trying to get a running driving usable drivetrain for as little money as possible. I do love the idea of putting a diesel in something though, are there any small Cummins or Powerjokes for cheap?

Or a subaru engine? Surely those boxers would be nice and usable, easy to fit in things.

[Ridge]

I am a big fan of targas, too. But I don't like all that metal sticking around on the Miata when the top is down. I like having everything around my head and shoulders gone if I want it.