Music? Is this generation making shit music, or are people not looking hard enough? - General

[QUOTE=Ordigenius;34719788]isn't open mindness a trait required for art anyway?[/QUOTE] yeah, but if there's no emotion it's obvious, because the art is shit. I've never said don't be technical, but art should be motivated by the desire to convey a certain feeling or thought to the audience. Even if the thought is as mundane and base as 'drugs and pussy' it still has meaning. I don't like fear of a blank planet because of the technicality, I like it because I suffer from Bipolar and the music speaks to me in that sense

I don't think we look hard enough, but the rap industry just plain sucks. Now days it's any black-man can rap and all rap is now is singing about bitches and big houses

I never said "no emotions whatsoever", I said "Technical over emotional" And you make some good points about the emotional aspect of songwriting. also why you keep stating that art is, no mather what, 100 percent about feelings, many musicians had taken that approach and it takes us to the original debate theme, why modern music "sucks"

[QUOTE=Ordigenius;34719985]I never said "no emotions whatsoever", I said "Technical over emotional" And you make some good points about the emotional aspect of songwriting. also why you keep stating that art is, no mather what, 100 percent about feelings, many musicians had taken that approach and it takes us to the original debate theme, why modern music "sucks"[/QUOTE] the delivery isn't 100 percent about feelings, but the motivation is. Anyone who goes into music or visual art or poetry or literature just trying to make something that's technically capable won't survive. I've seen it happen before. There's a reason why in poetry slams I can go up against some guy working with hyperbole, metaphor, sibilance and repetition, and I still win when I use little to no imagery or poetics.

[QUOTE=Ordigenius;34719985]I never said "no emotions whatsoever", I said "Technical over emotional" And you make some good points about the emotional aspect of songwriting. also why you keep stating that art is, no mather what, 100 percent about feelings, many musicians had taken that approach and it takes us to the original debate theme, why modern music "sucks"[/QUOTE] i would argue that for the most part modern music has the potential (which shows, in a lot of cases) to be more expressive than ever.

[QUOTE=redBadger;34715277]the beach boys don't even compare to the number of songs bach, mozart, handel, etc. wrote. The number of songs classical musicians wrote, each being just as accurate and logical as the last, is astronomical. The BWV catalog for bach has 1,127 pieces in it. Mozart is around 600. It's doubtful that anyone nowadays can compare. Music and logic nowadays are going down the drain. Most people ignore rules and just plop notes on a page and experiment with how things sound and just go for it. Classical masterminds crafted their music with great, incomparable precision.[/QUOTE] im deeply sorry about your inability to grasp not only the process of creating music, but also the intended sense of freedom behind artforms.

[QUOTE=Ordigenius;34719985]I never said "no emotions whatsoever", I said "Technical over emotional" And you make some good points about the emotional aspect of songwriting. also why you keep stating that art is, no mather what, 100 percent about feelings, many musicians had taken that approach and it takes us to the original debate theme, why modern music "sucks"[/QUOTE] many musicians have taken that approach and it's brought us to a time where one doesn't need to be amazing at their instrument in order to create amazing music.

[QUOTE=MaddaCheeb;34719973]I don't think we look hard enough, but the rap industry just plain sucks. Now days it's any black-man can rap and all rap is now is singing about bitches and big houses[/QUOTE] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAg3uMlNyHA[/media] oh hey look it's a rap song about the folly of the pursuit of consumerism and branding

[QUOTE=thisispain;34720060]many musicians have taken that approach and it's brought us to a time where one doesn't need to be amazing at their instrument in order to create amazing music.[/QUOTE] true but isn't true art subjective after all At this point, what would be amazing?

hip-hop is a good example for a lot of things. hip-hop has become so wide-spread because you don't even need to play an instrument just to make which has given a voice to the most unlikely of people.

[QUOTE=MaddaCheeb;34719973]I don't think we look hard enough, but the rap industry just plain sucks. Now days it's any black-man can rap and all rap is now is singing about bitches and big houses[/QUOTE] awesome, racism and sweeping generalizations! there is as much rap music against wealth as there is for wealth. we hear more about the rap music for wealth because, hint hint, it's being promoted by people WITH wealth.

[QUOTE=strayebyrd;34720078][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAg3uMlNyHA[/media] oh hey look it's a rap song about the folly of the pursuit of consumerism and branding[/QUOTE] Macklemore, Atmosphere, and anyone from Rhymesayers/Doomtree are fucking amazing. [editline]15th February 2012[/editline] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEHTTFOwsDs[/media]

[QUOTE=redBadger;34714995]Music in this generation, for the most part, has no logic or actual musicality put into it at all. Let's look at something like this: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kpqm1hxgH-w[/media] Name one contemporary piece that can compare to logic of this. Everything Bach, and other composers of their generations wrote took time, patience, and logic. Nowadays, musicians can rely on electronics to hide their 'talent' and to create nice beats for them in a few weeks. Everything musicians did in the past was constructed with every brick in the right spot. Granted Bach did have to hand-write all his pieces, but the actual performance base of the music relied on everyone's cooperation to know their part perfectly.[/QUOTE] ohh shit man, are you really saying these words? You do understand that many, many musical artists today compose their songs with the notes and stuff? They have the added advantage of computers to listen to it as they write it. I'm not really well versed in classical music so I'm going to assume that Bach was a pioneer of music and he pushed new boundaries. This is Meshuggah, they push boundaries. They pioneer music, they've influenced a whole new generation of musicians. This is a song from their upcoming album. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P68fmKQJ-6g[/media] Don't say modern music is shit.

[QUOTE=MaddaCheeb;34719973]I don't think we look hard enough, but the rap industry just plain sucks. Now days it's any black-man can rap and all rap is now is singing about bitches and big houses[/QUOTE] That is a horrible, horrible generalisation of an entire genre.

[QUOTE=Nibwoddle;34719400]Why? [editline]16th February 2012[/editline] Because if it's because you get to see how well some huge black shirted man can wank around on a guitar, that's closer to mathematics than it is art.[/QUOTE] There may be a certain thrill to how technical the music is. Don't forget that mathematics can too be an art. :v:

hey OP, what's wrong with electronics? oh yeah, nothing, they're just another tool in the artist's repertoire. I'd say come up with some real reasons why modern music is worse but there actually aren't any - plenty of reasons why it's different to the music you like, to be sure, but there is literally no such thing as an objective fact in the realm of musical taste. Here's an example: Objectively, Bach composed more technically complex orchestral pieces than, say, Rihanna Subjectively, you prefer Bach to Rihanna because to you, complex orchestral music sounds good, rather than dance-y pop music, which you do not like. Technical complexity and complexity of melody or rhythm or anything like that is objective. You can tell it is, it is documented and to a degree, scientific/mathematical. However, objective qualities don't actually equate to musical taste, and thus, how "good" a piece of music is. Some people infinitely prefer a simple melody with a 4/4 beat that they can dance to - in their minds, a pop song is a very, very good song - that's just the wya people are, we have subjective personal preferences and the sooner you accept this the happier you will be.

All styles and flavours of music should be respected equally as expressive forms. [editline]16th February 2012[/editline] apart from Teen Pop.

I'm personally a sucker for simple melodies and what not. I think the simplest of things can be the most expressive and awesome. Anyone know The Downward Spiral motif? [img]http://www.ninwiki.com/images/8/84/The_Downward_Spiral_Song_Motif_Tab.JPG[/img] Plays through the entire album, [i]The Downward Spiral[/i], and is a representation of the endless spiraling down the "character of the album" is going through. The motif plays it's last time as the main melody in the song [url=http://www.ninwiki.com/The_Downward_Spiral_%28song%29]"The Downward Spiral"[/url] and is ultimately a representation for the end of the spiral with him killing himself. A very simple melody that represents something so much greater than what you might think, Ordigenius. A painting doesn't need to have the finest acrylics and complex shapes in order to be a beautiful painting. A painting can be simple and still be pretty awesome. Music is the same way.

sometimes the most simple things in music can make you feel good.

[QUOTE=WeekendWarrior;34722225]That is a horrible, horrible generalisation of an entire genre.[/QUOTE] Not really. It's what most rap is. Before you ask, I was raised half around rap and half around country. I like the latter better (for obvious reasons), but I can tell you that rap is mostly about hookers, drugs, cribs, gangs, etc. There are exceptions like christian rap. That's the only rap genre I can name off the top of my head that isn't about said things.

[QUOTE=deaded38;34732821]Not really. It's what most rap is. Before you ask, I was raised half around rap and half around country. I like the latter better (for obvious reasons), but I can tell you that rap is mostly about hookers, drugs, cribs, gangs, etc. There are exceptions like christian rap. That's the only rap genre I can name off the top of my head that isn't about said things.[/QUOTE] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bb3gB-qY2bQ&feature=related[/media] thought id drop this here lol

[QUOTE=deaded38;34732821]Not really. It's what most rap is. Before you ask, I was raised half around rap and half around country. I like the latter better (for obvious reasons), but I can tell you that rap is mostly about hookers, drugs, cribs, gangs, etc. There are exceptions like christian rap. That's the only rap genre I can name off the top of my head that isn't about said things.[/QUOTE] Hip hop isn't that bad [video=youtube;rKTUAESacQM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKTUAESacQM[/video]

[QUOTE=deaded38;34732821]Not really. It's what most rap is. Before you ask, I was raised half around rap and half around country. I like the latter better (for obvious reasons), but I can tell you that rap is mostly about hookers, drugs, cribs, gangs, etc. There are exceptions like christian rap. That's the only rap genre I can name off the top of my head that isn't about said things.[/QUOTE] Obviously you don't know a lot about rap music.

[QUOTE=deaded38;34732821]Not really. It's what most rap is. Before you ask, I was raised half around rap and half around country. I like the latter better (for obvious reasons), but I can tell you that rap is mostly about hookers, drugs, cribs, gangs, etc. There are exceptions like christian rap. That's the only rap genre I can name off the top of my head that isn't about said things.[/QUOTE] you're so full of crap

[QUOTE=deaded38;34732821]Not really. It's what most rap is. Before you ask, I was raised half around rap and half around country. I like the latter better (for obvious reasons), but I can tell you that rap is mostly about hookers, drugs, cribs, gangs, etc. There are exceptions like christian rap. That's the only rap genre I can name off the top of my head that isn't about said things.[/QUOTE] well then you weren't really raised around any good rap dude

[QUOTE=deaded38;34732821]Not really. It's what most rap is. Before you ask, I was raised half around rap and half around country. I like the latter better (for obvious reasons), but I can tell you that rap is mostly about hookers, drugs, cribs, gangs, etc. There are exceptions like christian rap. That's the only rap genre I can name off the top of my head that isn't about said things.[/QUOTE] Do you have any idea what you're talking about?

[QUOTE=deaded38;34732821]Not really. It's what most rap is. Before you ask, I was raised half around rap and half around country. I like the latter better (for obvious reasons), but I can tell you that rap is mostly about hookers, drugs, cribs, gangs, etc. There are exceptions like christian rap. That's the only rap genre I can name off the top of my head that isn't about said things.[/QUOTE] This is just fucking astounding I can't not look at how stupid it is. I mean, even most popular 'mainstream' rap like Kid Cudi, Kanye West and Jay-Z now isn't about that

[QUOTE=deaded38;34732821]Not really. It's what most rap is. Before you ask, I was raised half around rap and half around country. I like the latter better (for obvious reasons), but I can tell you that rap is mostly about hookers, drugs, cribs, gangs, etc. There are exceptions like christian rap. That's the only rap genre I can name off the top of my head that isn't about said things.[/QUOTE] Uh that whold fad died off in the early 2k. Artists like Das Racist are actually pretty clever if you make an effort to listen to their lyrics. [editline]17th February 2012[/editline] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lLm0HYVrlg[/media] I mean obviously this is all about bitches and ho's.

What can make hip hop bad, is the lack of charisma. It's not about how many bitches there are that matters at all. There can be a billion bitches in it for all I care.

[QUOTE=DesumThePanda;34734924]Obviously you don't know a lot about rap music.[/QUOTE] Sorry, but I do. At least I did six years ago. Maybe it has changed since then. That's doubtful, though. [editline]17th February 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=MachiniOs;34739335]Uh that whold fad died off in the early 2k. Artists like Das Racist are actually pretty clever if you make an effort to listen to their lyrics.[/QUOTE] That would explain why the assumption I made is false. If this is true, sorry about that. Seriously though, what do you expect from somebody who hasn't listened to the genre for quite some time.