Music? Is this generation making shit music, or are people not looking hard enough? - General

[QUOTE=deaded38;34745916]Sorry, but I do. At least I did six years ago. Maybe it has changed since then. That's doubtful, though. [editline]17th February 2012[/editline] That would explain why the assumption I made is false. If this is true, sorry about that. Seriously though, what do you expect from somebody who hasn't listened to the genre for quite some time.[/QUOTE] From at least 8 years ago: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Egr3-lSCDh8[/media]

[QUOTE=deaded38;34745916]Sorry, but I do. At least I did six years ago. Maybe it has changed since then. That's doubtful, though.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=thisispain;34735350]you're so full of crap[/QUOTE] intelligent rappers have been around since the beginning of hip-hop.

[QUOTE=deaded38;34745916]Sorry, but I do. At least I did six years ago. Maybe it has changed since then. That's doubtful, though. [/QUOTE] You're an imbecile. End of discussion with you. You think because you "grew up" in a shithole, that you know everything that there is to know about the hip hop culture. Have you heard of any of the following: Deltron 3030, Cannibal Ox, Death Grips, Dalek, Madvillain, Madlib, MF DOOM, Shabazz Palaces? If not, then give up your arguement.

[QUOTE=deaded38;34745916]Sorry, but I do. At least I did six years ago. Maybe it has changed since then. That's doubtful, though. [editline]17th February 2012[/editline] That would explain why the assumption I made is false. If this is true, sorry about that. Seriously though, what do you expect from somebody who hasn't listened to the genre for quite some time.[/QUOTE] 'i dont have a clue what im talking about, but believe me man its true!!!"

[QUOTE=deaded38;34745916]Sorry, but I do. At least I did six years ago. Maybe it has changed since then. That's doubtful, though. [editline]17th February 2012[/editline] That would explain why the assumption I made is false. If this is true, sorry about that. Seriously though, what do you expect from somebody who hasn't listened to the genre for quite some time.[/QUOTE] Rap, just like any other genre is constantly evolving.

Hip Hop as a genre seems to be going for the more abstract styles anyway. It's fairly obvious that it won't stay linear like perhaps the genre blues has.

I like music that stimulates my body and sounds good in my ears.

[QUOTE=AK'z;34746420]You're an imbecile. End of discussion with you. You think because you "grew up" in a shithole, that you know everything that there is to know about the hip hop culture. Have you heard of any of the following: Deltron 3030, Cannibal Ox, Death Grips, Dalek, Madvillain, Madlib, MF DOOM, Shabazz Palaces? If not, then give up your arguement.[/QUOTE] You're a jackass. End of discussion with you. (See, I can do it too.) I didn't "grow up in a shithole". Where did I say that? My daycare are actually the ones who listened to rap and from what I gathered, a good majority of the genre's songs were in fact about said things. Maybe not exactly those things, but they weren't about anything good. [editline]18th February 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Bobie;34746639]'i dont have a clue what im talking about, but believe me man its true!!!"[/QUOTE] I don't think you guys know what you're talking about. I already said if it's changed since then, I will disregard my argument. I know SOME rap isn't about things like that, but the majority of it is. If you guys can't learn to deal with the simple truth that most rap was (or maybe still is) this way, then you guys are the true "imbeciles".

[QUOTE=deaded38;34748125]disregard my argument.[/QUOTE] That's something I'd recommend everyone to do.

[QUOTE=AK'z;34748289]That's something I'd recommend everyone to do.[/QUOTE] Exactly. Because you're wrong.

[QUOTE=deaded38;34748694]Exactly. Because you're wrong.[/QUOTE] this is the mass debate section not the mass statement section

[QUOTE=deaded38;34748694]Exactly. Because you're wrong.[/QUOTE] Your arguement is: I grew up in a town where hip hop was terrible, therefore the entire genre is about bitches and hoes.

[QUOTE=AK'z;34547718]my main interest in music is personality/culture. after that it's the feeling and expression, and THEN the sound/composition. Most people worry so much about the sound it turns the entire enjoyment of music into mathematics.[/QUOTE] in my opinion sound is as valuable as expression. if you have crappy sound/composition, it really doesn't matter how good your expression is - the music just isn't enjoyable to listen to. whereas if you have crappy expression, you really can't take anything away from the music - which really makes it nothing more than an easily forgotten technical showcase

[QUOTE=Mon;34749068]in my opinion sound is as valuable as expression. if you have crappy sound/composition, it really doesn't matter how good your expression is - the music just isn't enjoyable to listen to. whereas if you have crappy expression, you really can't take anything away from what you just listened to - and in a sense, is nothing more than a technical showcase[/QUOTE] yeah, I'm realising that people could gain more of a thrill through the technicality of the music. It's all subjective to the listener's experience.

[QUOTE=AK'z;34748887]Your arguement is: I grew up in a town where hip hop was terrible, therefore the entire genre is about bitches and hoes.[/QUOTE] Your argument is: hurr no itz not You should really learn to get your facts straight. Here, let me quote myself: "I know SOME rap isn't about things like that, but the majority of it is." There is rap out there that isn't that way. I'm not denying that. And no, I didn't "grow up in a town where hip hop was terrible". I grew up AROUND PEOPLE where rap was terrible. Everybody in my town would probably listen to country pop and/or country. Long story short, I'm not generalizing the whole genre, just stating the facts which is rap was (or still is) MOSTLY about said things. There are exceptions. Get that through your head and stop putting words in my mouth. [editline]18th February 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Bobie;34748845]this is the mass debate section not the mass statement section[/QUOTE] Oh... thanks. I didn't realize that.

"Your argument is: hurr no itz not" [B]My arguement is saying that you are misguided, and proving it by listing artists which you have NOT heard of. These are a bulk of what is regarded as some of the most creative hip hop of our time[/B] "I grew up AROUND PEOPLE where rap was terrible." [B]That still doesn't make your arguement worthy, I know people who make terrible rap music too. Doesn't mean to say the style of music is bad in any way because of it. If anything, they're part of the culture that has been built up with personality and charisma over the decades.[/B] "Long story short, I'm not generalizing the whole genre, just stating the facts which is rap was (or still is) MOSTLY about said things. " [B]And how is that not generalising?[/B]

[QUOTE=deaded38;34748694]Exactly. Because you're wrong.[/QUOTE] Can you stop being stupid and open your eyes? In no way is the majority of rap JUST about bitches and money and guns. No-one cares if you grew up around it, that usually always means fuck all. You probably just have a dislike of rap because of that and you're justifying it with retarded reasoning.

[QUOTE=deaded38;34749302]Your argument is: hurr no itz not You should really learn to get your facts straight. Here, let me quote myself: "I know SOME rap isn't about things like that, but the majority of it is." There is rap out there that isn't that way. I'm not denying that. And no, I didn't "grow up in a town where hip hop was terrible". I grew up AROUND PEOPLE where rap was terrible. Everybody in my town would probably listen to country pop and/or country. Long story short, I'm not generalizing the whole genre, just stating the facts which is rap was (or still is) MOSTLY about said things. There are exceptions. Get that through your head and stop putting words in my mouth. [editline]18th February 2012[/editline] Oh... thanks. I didn't realize that.[/QUOTE] don't post here if you aren't willing to listen

[QUOTE=deaded38;34745916] Seriously though, what do you expect from somebody who hasn't listened to the genre for quite some time.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=deaded38;34749302] "I know SOME rap isn't about things like that, but the majority of it is." [/QUOTE] You admit that your knowledge of the entire genre is outdated but still cling desperately to the assumption that most of Hip-Hop is about ''guns, bitches and bling''. There are many examples of artists who put thoughtful lyrics into their productions; Dan Le Sac vs Scroobius Pip, Nas, Sage Francis, B Dolan... etc. In Pip's song [I]Thou Shalt Not Kill [/I]there is a line that reads: ''Thou shalt remember that [I]guns[/I], [I]bitches and bling[/I] were never part of the four elements and never will be.''

[QUOTE=deaded38;34732821]Not really. It's what most rap is. Before you ask, I was raised half around rap and half around country. I like the latter better (for obvious reasons), but I can tell you that rap is mostly about hookers, drugs, cribs, gangs, etc. There are exceptions like christian rap. That's the only rap genre I can name off the top of my head that isn't about said things.[/QUOTE] Nah mate, mainstream rap is that, but you clearly can't see past that and actually look through a genre. I'm sick to my fucking back teeth of folk saying an entire genre is shit because they heard 3 or 4 different examples of the genres mainstream appeal. God fucking damnit this is not a difficult concept to grasp either, jesus mother fucking christ literally it's like folk are just so fucking flat out [i]lazy[/i] that they won't even challenge their preconceptions and actually look for a good example of most music and dig further than the shitty surface of music that is the mainstream. And yes, I mad.

People aren't not looking hard enough, they're just paying more attention to the shit music to give them something to complain about and act like they're better than other people that listen to radio hits.

[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;34755182]Nah mate, mainstream rap is that, but you clearly can't see past that and actually look through a genre. I'm sick to my fucking back teeth of folk saying an entire genre is shit because they heard 3 or 4 different examples of the genres mainstream appeal. God fucking damnit this is not a difficult concept to grasp either, jesus mother fucking christ literally it's like folk are just so fucking flat out [i]lazy[/i] that they won't even challenge their preconceptions and actually look for a good example of most music and dig further than the shitty surface of music that is the mainstream. And yes, I mad.[/QUOTE] You guys saying "HEZ GENRLAIZING TEH HOEL GENRE OMG OMG OMG" really need to get your shit strait. I can't believe I have to stress this with capital letters: MOST. RAP. WAS. ABOUT. SAID. THINGS. I'm not generalizing the "whole" genre. I'm generalizing MOST of it. If I were to generalize the whole thing, my argument would be ALL rap is about drugs, bitches, etc. Do we have an understanding now? I hope we do... [editline]18th February 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Mon;34750448]don't post here if you aren't willing to listen[/QUOTE] I'm willing to listen. Just not to people who don't understand a simple concept of most rap was (or still might be) this way. [editline]18th February 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Eluveitie;34749774]Can you stop being stupid and open your eyes? In no way is the majority of rap JUST about bitches and money and guns. No-one cares if you grew up around it, that usually always means fuck all. You probably just have a dislike of rap because of that and you're justifying it with retarded reasoning.[/QUOTE] I do have a dislike for rap. Why do I have a dislike for rap do you think? Hmm... maybe it's because rap's message is about drugs, bitches, arrogance, guns, and just plain stupid things. I dunno. I could always just be speaking out of my ass... Or from personal experience.

[QUOTE=deaded38;34758155] I do have a dislike for rap. Why do I have a dislike for rap do you think? Hmm... maybe it's because rap's message is about drugs, bitches, arrogance, guns, and just plain stupid things. I dunno. I could always just be speaking out of my ass... Or from personal experience.[/QUOTE] No, it's original message was about the social issues of the 70's/80's/90's especially concerning the African-American communities and the ghettos of Los Angeles and New York. So yes, you are talking out of your arse.

I like how most of this thread is: "Rap is about bitches" "Actually that is a generalisation and most of rap is not about said things. In fact, only a very small portion is" "No you're wrong"

Most country also has a lot of stupid themes like misogyny, blind patriotism, circlejerking over the army, etc. yet no one ever calls it out on that and just focuses on some idiot rappers who they try to argue represent them all.

[QUOTE=OutOfExile2;34758835]Most country also has a lot of stupid themes like misogyny, blind patriotism, circlejerking over the army, etc. yet no one ever calls it out on that and just focuses on some idiot rappers who they try to argue represent them all.[/QUOTE] Popular country does not represent all country just as popular rap does not represent all rap.

[QUOTE=Sanius;34758903]Popular country does not represent all country just as popular rap does not represent all rap.[/QUOTE] I know, but what I mean is people try to make that argument about rap and then ignore the fact that popular country is just as bad yet if you told them that they'd say "Don't generalize it"

[QUOTE=OutOfExile2;34758924]I know, but what I mean is people try to make that argument about rap and then ignore the fact that popular country is just as bad yet if you told them that they'd say "Don't generalize it"[/QUOTE] The kinds of people who think that rap is "all about bitches and money" tend to be closeted racists and misogynists, so it's not really surprising that they'd be defensive about popular country but not popular rap.

[QUOTE=deaded38;34758155]You guys saying "HEZ GENRLAIZING TEH HOEL GENRE OMG OMG OMG" really need to get your shit strait. I can't believe I have to stress this with capital letters: MOST. RAP. WAS. ABOUT. SAID. THINGS. I'm not generalizing the "whole" genre. I'm generalizing MOST of it. If I were to generalize the whole thing, my argument would be ALL rap is about drugs, bitches, etc. Do we have an understanding now? I hope we do... [editline]18th February 2012[/editline] I'm willing to listen. Just not to people who don't understand a simple concept of most rap was (or still might be) this way. [editline]18th February 2012[/editline] I do have a dislike for rap. Why do I have a dislike for rap do you think? Hmm... maybe it's because rap's message is about drugs, bitches, arrogance, guns, and just plain stupid things. I dunno. I could always just be speaking out of my ass... Or from personal experience.[/QUOTE] Of course we have an understanding, you're entirely ignorant of the genre in terms of anything other than the mainstream rap perpetuated by shitty groups or rappers and the dumbasses who think that's the best rap out there and it makes them gansta. You said it last page I think that you were pretty ignorant of the genre. Do yourself a favour and stpp arguing that most rap is about bitches, blow and gats. Check out Death Grips and then listen to some grime that came out of the London scene such as the track Gun Talk by Virus Syndicate then tell me most rap is about glorifying bitches and killing. [editline]18th February 2012[/editline] PS you're definetly talking out your ass. [editline]18th February 2012[/editline] PPS you do understand that rap originated in the ghettos right? and that the only culture most folk living in the ghettos knew was gang culture, they found their voice through that music, some used it purely for fame and fortune and some done it to try and make the world see how them, their friends and their families suffered. Besides the whole hijacking of a genre has happened to every genre.

There was that Leona Lewis Star on the radio for what a month? before people just stopped giving a shit. Where as Bands Like Iron Maiden have been going for 35 Years and still going strong. I Guess its the Hard work Playing Instruments Vs Autotune Machines that make any random Teenager who cant sing, "Rebecca Black, Justin Bieber" ,able to make millions with very little effort. So in my opinon and the way i see it No, Music does suck in today's generation