Music? Is this generation making shit music, or are people not looking hard enough?

[Sundowner]

[QUOTE=deaded38;34778170]Just accept that you're wrong and for at least a short period of time, rap was mostly this way.[/QUOTE]

no but you aren't, I provided examples and you ignored them all

[AK'z]

the deaded38 arguement is so pointless. Let's move on before he delivers another bucket of twoddle.

[wauterboi]

[QUOTE=deaded38;34778108]No, I do. My argument is stating most rap was at least that way back then and that I don't know if it is this way now. From what I gather, it isn't much about that stuff anymore.[/QUOTE]
[video=youtube;NEUX-HYRtUA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEUX-HYRtUA[/video]

Keyword is most. I don't want this to come off as flaming but I have no choice but to say you're not that bright. No matter what the norm is in any genre it's usually marketable BS that vaguely identifies with most of everyone. It doesn't just apply to old rap or new rap or old rock or new rock - it is anything mainstream that you hear on the radio. [b]The entire point made time and time throughout this thread was that you're going to have to dig deeper to get to the real music.[/b]

On top of that, you can't base an entire genre containing at least 20 years of different styles and artists because of what you grew up around. That's like saying, "I used to eat ham and cheese sandwiches my aunt would make for me every day after school and therefore all sandwiches are terrible."

And with that I rest my case because you literally aren't smart enough able to handle a debate.

[Eluveitie]

You can't win against an idiot.

[fate92]

Hello, Our generation is making fantastic music, you just have to find it...
I know of lots of great artists who are making fantastic music, weather any of you guys are hearing it is a diffrent question. If your looking for the next led zepplin or pink floyd then i think its safe to say you are not going to find any new similar bands that are as good. this is because its been done before and again after that. Rock music (in all its froms) died out around the late 70's druing this time funk came about, so did disco. then into the 90's grunge, garage and early techno/trance.
and i know the music industry has turned music into a global entertainment franchise, but if you disconnect from it and look else where, thats when you will hear the art.
(look at other sources separte from the industry, the world wide web is on)

the point i am trying to make is that music is forever changing, and if you dont change with it then you will find that no music is good anymore.

i myself am really into the whole electronica scene. here is some of the music i like, hope you all enjoy.

[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcZq62d5hd8[/URL] - Ozrick Tenticles
[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKSCDmuD70Q[/URL] - Ott
[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2LK-zGfdUU[/URL] - Shpongle
[URL]http://soundcloud.com/mental-extensions[/URL]
[URL]http://soundcloud.com/tippermusic[/URL]
[URL]http://soundcloud.com/penta[/URL]

[Njittie]

[QUOTE=fate92;34786063]Rock music (in all its froms) died out around the late 70's [/QUOTE]

good god what are you talking about

there is still rock music being made

[fate92]

[QUOTE=kitteh-nator;34786113]good god what are you talking about

there is still rock music being made[/QUOTE]

Yes their is, but it is mostly regurgitated crap, made to make money, and even the rock bands who arnt from the industry still arnt trying to make good music, just copying of the other countless thousands of ppl make run of the mill politically correct and i use this term ligthly "rock" music

its like rythm n blues, look at what it was and what it has become.

[AK'z]

[QUOTE=fate92;34786213]

its like rythm n blues, look at what it was and what it has become.[/QUOTE]

Now rhythm and blues from the 60s/70s have evolved. Mainstream R&B is merely "Contemporary R&B", which began with the likes of Michael Jackson and such.

Nowadays the soul music back then has changed into a style called neo-soul, where hip hop influences are kind of intwined.

But what you say about rock in all forms is pretty retarded.

[fate92]

[QUOTE=AK'z;34786374]
But what you say about rock in all forms is pretty retarded.[/QUOTE]

Well i still stand by my point, could you find me some new rock music which isn't corporate sopnsored.
i gave up looking a long time ago. bands like artic monkeys (who started out good) just declined as they got tied to labels. even the "indi" revolution, that has become thing it was against.

[AK'z]

[QUOTE=fate92;34786497]Well i still stand by my point, could you find me some new rock music which isn't corporate sopnsored.
i gave up looking a long time ago. bands like artic monkeys (who started out good) just declined as they got tied to labels. even the "indi" revolution, that has become thing it was against.[/QUOTE]

I'll find you a ton. Just hang around the music section, get a last fm account, remove the thought that all music is bad, and start enjoying the good stuff. :)

[fate92]

I got a last fm, El_Neutrino is my account name. also i love music, its the only thing that keeps me sane in a mad world. i just dont like the same thing getting done again and again.
ppl i enjoy
pink floyd, the who, the beatles, led zeppelin, rush, yes, the police, the stranglers, the doors, deep purple, jefferson airoplane, santana, radiohead, queen.

ppl i dont
kaiser cheifs, the artic monkeys, the kooks... the leeds festival line up and stuff that claims to be rock.

[Sundowner]

[QUOTE=fate92;34786063]Hello, Our generation is making fantastic music, you just have to find it...
I know of lots of great artists who are making fantastic music, weather any of you guys are hearing it is a diffrent question. If your looking for the next led zepplin or pink floyd then i think its safe to say you are not going to find any new similar bands that are as good. this is because its been done before and again after that. Rock music (in all its froms) died out around the late 70's druing this time funk came about, so did disco. then into the 90's grunge, garage and early techno/trance.
and i know the music industry has turned music into a global entertainment franchise, but if you disconnect from it and look else where, thats when you will hear the art.
(look at other sources separte from the industry, the world wide web is on)

the point i am trying to make is that music is forever changing, and if you dont change with it then you will find that no music is good anymore.

i myself am really into the whole electronica scene. here is some of the music i like, hope you all enjoy.

[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcZq62d5hd8[/URL] - Ozrick Tenticles
[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKSCDmuD70Q[/URL] - Ott
[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2LK-zGfdUU[/URL] - Shpongle
[URL]http://soundcloud.com/mental-extensions[/URL]
[URL]http://soundcloud.com/tippermusic[/URL]
[URL]http://soundcloud.com/penta[/URL][/QUOTE]

you namedropped shpongle

I like that

[Njittie]

[QUOTE=fate92;34786797]I got a last fm, El_Neutrino is my account name. also i love music, its the only thing that keeps me sane in a mad world. i just dont like the same thing getting done again and again.
ppl i enjoy
pink floyd, the who, the beatles, led zeppelin, rush, yes, the police, the stranglers, the doors, deep purple, jefferson airoplane, santana, radiohead, queen.

ppl i dont
kaiser cheifs, the artic monkeys, the kooks... the leeds festival line up and stuff that claims to be rock.[/QUOTE]

what you just named are all pretty famous bands, both in the list of music you enjoy amd music you don't.

if you would look more for current music you'd probably find stuff you would like, but of course, you dont need to be biased about 'modern music' to actually find it enjoyable.

[butre]

[QUOTE=fate92;34786797]I got a last fm, El_Neutrino is my account name. also i love music, its the only thing that keeps me sane in a mad world. i just dont like the same thing getting done again and again.
ppl i enjoy
pink floyd, the who, the beatles, led zeppelin, rush, yes, the police, the stranglers, the doors, deep purple, jefferson airoplane, santana, radiohead, queen.

ppl i dont
kaiser cheifs, the artic monkeys, the kooks... the leeds festival line up and stuff that claims to be rock.[/QUOTE]

Last seen: June 2011

[Lpringle]

Not looking hard enough. Yes kids these days are making horrible like Asking Alexandria, Black Veil Brides, and Brockencyde. Let us not forget the worst group in history ICP. There is good music though, take Sabaton for example. Swedish Power Metal.[QUOTE=Combin0wnage;34107477]Looking though videos on Youtube and hearing what people say on this forum, I've been seeing a lot of this:

"Hello im 15 years oldi would like to apologise for what my generation has done to music.that is* all."

My question is;

Is this correct and our generation is creating garbage music, or are people not looking hard enough for good current bands and have that, "I hate my generation" Mentality that exists in 90's cartoon fanatics?[/QUOTE]

[AK'z]

to conclude the thread.

if people made the effort to keep up with the times and open their ears to what's out there. people would be happier.

but the reality is that people would rather bitch and moan.

[Soup Nazi]

Shit, mostly. auto-tune, LMFAO, rap, etc. are all just giant musical turds. (AKA Great Mighty Poos)

[Bobie]

[QUOTE=Soup Nazi;34790413]Shit, mostly. auto-tune, LMFAO, rap, etc. are all just giant musical turds. (AKA Great Mighty Poos)[/QUOTE]

you say no to drugs

juicy j cant

[deaded38]

Okay. I've come to the conclusion that I may be a little wrong about rap. I'm willing to accept that most of it isn't about said things now. However, I'm not going to disregard the fact that a good portion of rap is still about said things. Maybe not most. Hell, not even half. But a good portion of it. You may be wondering why I'm having a change of heart here. Somebody mentioned how country pop is "just about beer, trucks, and Jesus". This is by no means true and is just a very bad stereotype. Country is mostly about the good things in life with some mention of trucks and other said things. Only a minor percentage of country is directly about trucks, beer, and stuff like that. The stereotype with rap is more about bad things. I've come to realize maybe rap isn't exactly what I thought it was even back then. I was young and I could've very well been ignoring the message or something. Anyway, I'm sorry if I seemed like I was being irrational or something. It's just hard to accept most rap wasn't about said things when that's all you really remember.

[Mr. Bleak]

[QUOTE=deaded38;34791563]Okay. I've come to the conclusion that I may be a little wrong about rap. I'm willing to accept that most of it isn't about said things now. However, I'm not going to disregard the fact that a good portion of rap is still about said things. Maybe not most. Hell, not even half. But a good portion of it. You may be wondering why I'm having a change of heart here. Somebody mentioned how country pop is "just about beer, trucks, and Jesus". This is by no means true and is just a very bad stereotype. Country is mostly about the good things in life with some mention of trucks and other said things. Only a minor percentage of country is directly about trucks, beer, and stuff like that. The stereotype with rap is more about bad things. I've come to realize maybe rap isn't exactly what I thought it was even back then. I was young and I could've very well been ignoring the message or something. Anyway, I'm sorry if I seemed like I was being irrational or something. It's just hard to accept most rap wasn't about said things when that's all you really remember.[/QUOTE]
A good portion of pop-rap. It is nonexistent in meaningful rap, and you cannot base that, because pop-rap is more popular, rap as a genre is bad because one of the more popular iterations of it is poor lyrics-wise. Just about any "ultra-mainstream" form of any genre fits that, mainly because the hugely popular stuff nowadays has no substance.

[editline]20th February 2012[/editline]

As for any genre of sub-genre that I have little experience with, I won't critique country because I do not know enough about it. I won't say I don't like it, even though what little I've heard was not very enjoyable to me, because that would be a broad generalization of country.

You can get away with saying "I dislike WHAT I'VE HEARD of X genre" but not "I dislike X genre"

[snivelak]

[QUOTE=fate92;34786497]Well i still stand by my point, could you find me some new rock music which isn't corporate sopnsored.
i gave up looking a long time ago. bands like artic monkeys (who started out good) just declined as they got tied to labels. even the "indi" revolution, that has become thing it was against.[/QUOTE]
this album came out not even a month ago:
[video=youtube;JIitQNXVgb8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIitQNXVgb8[/video]

and what's inherently wrong with music being corporate sponsored anyway? pretty much all of the bands you listed as being good were corporate sponsored.
i agree that rock in its traditional sense is dying out... to a point. i think it's largely because most musicians have moved on from "rock and roll" and anyone who wants to express themselves doesn't want to be playing the same shit that has been done a million times over.

of course, then you've got revivalist rock/post-punk(ish) bands like cloud nothings above (which seems to be massively popular at the moment), along with stuff like yuck, veronica falls, best coast, etc. which is a whole different story.

[editline]21st February 2012[/editline]

i agree with you about arctic monkeys, kaiser chiefs, kasabian, the kooks, miles kane etc. they're all just playing recycled stuff as a throwback to stuff that was recycled in the first place. (oasis)

[AK'z]

most of the arguements only address pop music.

I can't stress, that people need to stop caring about what the general population likes. Find what you can enjoy, and spread it. There's way too much music for pop music to be a problem for you directly.

[Missing User]

[QUOTE=AK'z;34796372]most of the arguements only address pop music.

I can't stress, that people need to stop caring about what the general population likes. Find what you can enjoy, and spread it. There's way too much music for pop music to be a problem for you directly.[/QUOTE]

Are you saying that computers are not ruining peoples ability to determine talent? The only real good, authentic music it seems left is the Alternative rock. I'm not a big music judger but I can tell you that all Pop/Hip-Hop/Hard Rock/Rap is all been changed because of the auto-tune (just a basic one not a full blown one).

[AK'z]

[QUOTE=areolop;34798907]Are you saying that computers are not ruining peoples ability to determine talent? The only real good, authentic music it seems left is the Alternative rock. I'm not a big music judger but I can tell you that all Pop/Hip-Hop/Hard Rock/Rap is all been changed because of the auto-tune (just a basic one not a full blown one).[/QUOTE]

Yes, I disagree with everything you just said.

By not putting any effort in exploring greatly of what is out there, you couldn't know.
That's why people think it's okay to make bold, unworthy statements.

[editline]21st February 2012[/editline]

[QUOTE=areolop;34798907]Are you saying that computers are not ruining peoples ability to determine talent? ).[/QUOTe]
also that's by far the dumbest thing I've ever read.

[Risonhighmer]

[QUOTE=AK'z;34671678]all in all, if people want to open their ears, they'll see more of what this world is about.[/QUOTE]

Amen brother.

[editline]20th February 2012[/editline]

[QUOTE=AK'z;34796372]most of the arguements only address pop music.

I can't stress, that people need to stop caring about what the general population likes. Find what you can enjoy, and spread it. There's way too much music for pop music to be a problem for you directly.[/QUOTE]

This too

[B_I_G__C_U_M]

[QUOTE=areolop;34798907]Are you saying that computers are not ruining peoples ability to determine talent? The only real good, authentic music it seems left is the Alternative rock. I'm not a big music judger but I can tell you that all Pop/Hip-Hop/Hard Rock/Rap is all been changed because of the auto-tune (just a basic one not a full blown one).[/QUOTE]

I only hear autotune in pop music.

There's still good music in pop, hip-hop, rap, and hard rock.

[quote]
Electro-pop
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aZFcosBTaQ&ob=av2n[/media]

Hard Rock/Heavy Metal
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4vMvJcP4TA&ob=av2n[/media]

Hip-hop
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vd1-P-R_f-0&feature=related[/media]

Rap
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAg3uMlNyHA[/media]
[/quote]
Some good example of good songs by the genre's you listed.
Hell, these songs were only released by, what, last year? Just think about what good music was around within the last 10 years.

Also, [quote]The only real good, authentic music it seems left is the Alternative rock.[/quote]
Double wrong
Folk music
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mR8Z-gmK1g[/media]

[massn7]

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIOA8ERd_Jc[/media]

[snivelak]

[QUOTE=areolop;34798907]Are you saying that computers are not ruining peoples ability to determine talent? The only real good, authentic music it seems left is the Alternative rock. I'm not a big music judger but I can tell you that all Pop/Hip-Hop/Hard Rock/Rap is all been changed because of the auto-tune (just a basic one not a full blown one).[/QUOTE]

Don't make grand assumptious statements like that and expect to be taken seriously. You're stating your limited and uneducated opinion as though it is a widely accepted fact.

[AK'z]

[QUOTE=DesumThePanda;34799343]I only hear autotune in pop music.

There's still good music in pop, hip-hop, rap, and hard rock.

Some good example of good songs by the genre's you listed.
Hell, these songs were only released by, what, last year? Just think about what good music was around within the last 10 years.

Also,
Double wrong
Folk music
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mR8Z-gmK1g[/media][/QUOTE]

Don't waste your time. He'll never read this thread again most probably.

[B_I_G__C_U_M]

[QUOTE=AK'z;34799873]Don't waste your time. He'll never read this thread again most probably.[/QUOTE]

At least I made my point.