Music? Is this generation making shit music, or are people not looking hard enough? - General

[QUOTE=deaded38;34810692]I'm not ignorant. It's my opinion. I never once said that "hurr durr muzik shud be olny wat i say". Music, in my opinion, is about good vocals. Just like how some think good music is a solo on a guitar, I think good music is in vocals. Face it, bro. There is nothing ignorant about having a set opinion.[/QUOTE] Of course there's not. It's ignorant to talk rubbish about stuff you don't like, which is what you do.

[QUOTE=Eluveitie;34810725]Of course there's not. It's ignorant to talk rubbish about stuff you don't like, which is what you do.[/QUOTE] ig·no·rant/ˈignərənt/ Adjective: Lacking knowledge or awareness in general; uneducated or unsophisticated. Lacking knowledge, information, or awareness about something in particular: "ignorant of astronomy". I use the word ignorant by its true meaning.

[QUOTE=deaded38;34810692]I'm not ignorant. It's my opinion. I never once said that "hurr durr muzik shud be olny wat i say". Music, in my opinion, is about good vocals. Just like how some think good music is a solo on a guitar, I think good music is in vocals. Face it, bro. There is nothing ignorant about having a set opinion. [editline]22nd February 2012[/editline] I understand the point. "The usage of the autotune was to make the music as a whole sound better". You obviously don't understand my point. If he's such a great singer, why does he want to use autotune instead of his voice? I'm not doubting he's a good singer. I just don't understand why a good singer would want to use a computer to mask their good voice.[/QUOTE] No you're missing the point still. They produce music that is specifically designed to sound electronic, geometric and futuristic. Having someone singing in normal vocals would destroy the whole point of the song.

[QUOTE=Eluveitie;34810768]No you're missing the point still. They produce music that is specifically designed to sound electronic, geometric and futuristic. Having someone singing in normal vocals would destroy the whole point of the song.[/QUOTE] No, I do understand the point. I just said it in different words.

[QUOTE=deaded38;34810758]ig·no·rant/ˈignərənt/ Adjective: Lacking knowledge or awareness in general; uneducated or unsophisticated. Lacking knowledge, information, or awareness about something in particular: "ignorant of astronomy". I use the word ignorant by its true meaning.[/QUOTE] I dunno, I'd say you're pretty ignorant about rap and electronic music. The stuff you've been saying. There's a difference between having an opinion on something that actually knowing what you're talking about.

Whats the point in even arguing with people who think otherwise? I guess there's the desire to change their opinion, but that seems to hardly ever happen, it's something they gotta figure out on their own. rate me late, but it's all quite relative. The majority of my music in my collection isn't even older than 2000, I'm 21 but I just prefer the music made in the last 10 years over anything else. @deaded your opinion is practically worthless, as is mine. Music isn't defined by vocals.

[QUOTE=Eluveitie;34810776]I dunno, I'd say you're pretty ignorant about rap and electronic music. The stuff you've been saying. There's a difference between having an opinion on something that actually knowing what you're talking about.[/QUOTE] If you would read, I actually changed my opinion about rap. Autotune, no. It's a fact that autotune can mask a terrible voice. I'm not saying the artists I am seeing have a terrible voice. It just depresses me that even if they do have a good voice, they aren't using it to their potential. [editline]22nd February 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Lamar;34810791] @dreaded you're opinion is practically worthless, as so is mine. Music isn't defined by vocals.[/QUOTE] I know music isn't "defined" by vocals. It's just my opinion that great vocals make good music.

[QUOTE=deaded38;34810812]If you would read, I actually changed my opinion about rap. Autotune, no. It's a fact that autotune can mask a terrible voice. I'm not saying the artists I am seeing have a terrible voice. It just depresses me that even if they do have a good voice, they aren't using it to their potential. [/QUOTE] Again, it's used to fit the the overall sound of the music. Freddy Mercury vocals wouldn't work well in a Death song.

[QUOTE=deaded38;34810812]It just depresses me that even if they do have a good voice, they aren't using it to their potential.[/QUOTE] You don't think manipulating the vocals to blend and fit better with the song is using their voice to their potential?

[QUOTE=deaded38;34810812]If you would read, I actually changed my opinion about rap. Autotune, no. It's a fact that autotune can mask a terrible voice. I'm not saying the artists I am seeing have a terrible voice. It just depresses me that even if they do have a good voice, they aren't using it to their potential. [editline]22nd February 2012[/editline] I know music isn't "defined" by vocals. It's just my opinion that great vocals make good music.[/QUOTE] Name an artist you like.

Popular music nowadays is all shit. Watch dazed and confused and it plays all the popular music of that era. And every single song in that movie is now considered a classic. Today's music is quanity over quanity, shits like fast food. With a gem every now and then which is beaten to hell by media and radio before you can even download it yourself. I'm so glad I listen to tap which mostly consist of hardworking artist who release "underground" music that's free. Most rap mixtapes are 10x better than paid for albums because they suit the mainstream demographic to make money. For example rolling papers by wiz khalifa is shit but it was made for America. While his famous kush and orange juice mixtape was made for his "Taylor's" (fans) to listen with quality music and instant classics littered throught the tape. Just my input on this shit.

Older music seems to have much better quality per quantity because nobody remembers the generic filler quantity over quality shit.

Autotuned songs can be good if it's used right and in some creative way, however, if it's used wrong then it can be horrible. In my opinion most of the mainstream music you see in the charts that has autotune is horrible, because to me anyway it feels slapped on there. I'm probably biased though because I enjoy a natural voice more, but that's what I think, considering I do still enjoy stuff like Daft Punk and so on.

And on autotuning: new instrumentation is always going to have people using it terribly and as a gimmick. Find artists that are using it innovatively and skilfully then decide if you like it. Don't go and decide you can decide that types of instrumentation are objectively inferior though, because that tends to be really stupid.

I don't really get whats with people thinking that music has to have lots of talent to be great. No it doesn't. Thats dumb. No matter how its made or how hard it was to make, its still music. You shouldn't care about how it was made, but rather how it sounds.

I don't think today's mainstream music is as much about music as it is about the person behind the music. Justin Bieber is a good example. What do you think the [i]Justin Bieber fans[/i] care mostly about, Justin Bieber or his music? There is a lot of nice music nowadays, it's just that you have to find it yourself. The mainstream media usually won't hand out it out for you.

Ohh the joys of music sub forum regulars trying to have a discussion with the rest of facepunch. Close this thread and be done with it.

[QUOTE=Allstone;34814063]And on autotuning: [b]new instrumentation is always going to have people using it terribly and as a gimmick.[/b] Find artists that are using it innovatively and skilfully then decide if you like it. Don't go and decide you can decide that types of instrumentation are objectively inferior though, because that tends to be really stupid.[/QUOTE] A good example of this is the djent trend.

Estonia's doing pretty good on music. The Pop stuff isn't that popular around here, instead, the metal and alternative scenes are strong. [video=youtube;ddCsOTWz7gI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddCsOTWz7gI[/video] [video=youtube;dC3Q9q4cRZA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dC3Q9q4cRZA&feature=related[/video]

smoke a doobie and listen to blackmill

Music today really isn't worse then the music of older generations, its just something new and different, not crappy. I for one enjoy T-Pains music, he dosen't need autotune its just his signiature effect. Listen to "Drowning Again" and you will notice how good he sounds without autotune. The only problem I have with music today is what the music industry does to the music, if you listen to a song from the 80's the mastering of the song makes it incredible to listen to, but today the mastering of a song is minimized and sometimes songs are even Re-Mastered which generally worsens the quality. If the industry put more time in the mastering of the songs then I'm certain music today would be far more superior then how we hear it now.

[QUOTE=Gryovex;34816989] The only problem I have with music today is what the music industry does to the music, if you listen to a song from the 80's the mastering of the song makes it incredible to listen to, but today the mastering of a song is minimized and sometimes songs are even Re-Mastered which generally worsens the quality. If the industry put more time in the mastering of the songs then I'm certain music today would be far more superior then how we hear it now.[/QUOTE] I read some of the history behind this, and apparently, its because studios want their music to sound "loud". And its been a growing trend for several decades, since CD's don't have the same limitations for "loudness" as vinyl did. The average music listener couldn't care less if there is a ton of distortion or the instruments are poorly balanced, they just want it to sound loud. Its not they aren't putting effort into it, they just don't want to do it in the first place. I sort of noticed that as well. My father has a few CD's from the 80's/early 90's, and they sound vastly better than their "re-mastered" counterparts.

[QUOTE=Demache;34817588]I read some of the history behind this, and apparently, its because studios want their music to sound "loud". And its been a growing trend for several decades, since CD's don't have the same limitations for "loudness" as vinyl did. The average music listener couldn't care less if there is a ton of distortion or the instruments are poorly balanced, they just want it to sound loud. Its not they aren't putting effort into it, they just don't want to do it in the first place. I sort of noticed that as well. My father has a few CD's from the 80's/early 90's, and they sound vastly better than their "re-mastered" counterparts.[/QUOTE] you're joking right

Autotune is just another vocal effect. Nothing wrong with it, as long as you use it for expressive reasons. It's just like how people use vocoder and other effects. This makes them sound robotic, however rarely do people use it in a way where it seems like they're controlling how they sound. If that makes sense. [editline]22nd February 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Bobie;34817688]you're joking right[/QUOTE] amazingly, he's actually not.

[QUOTE=Bobie;34817688]you're joking right[/QUOTE] Joking in that I'm wrong or joking in that I have no idea what I'm talking about (the latter may be true). I'm thinking about this: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudness_war[/url]

Correct. Some music can sound otherwise boring if all the instruments are at the same volume. It's not the artist or EVEN the producer's fault. It's solely the brainless audio engineers who are lazy to deliver good sound. [editline]22nd February 2012[/editline] This is not even about an "audiophile" only discussion. There's clear proof that most remasters are poor.

[QUOTE=Demache;34817718]Joking in that I'm wrong or joking in that I have no idea what I'm talking about (the latter may be true). I'm thinking about this: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudness_war[/url][/QUOTE] oh i thought you were talking about all music in general. it would make sense that non-lossless formats would suffer great amounts of distortion when being mastered from vinyl into digital. compression is mostly to blame and to praise for this, as if you play a song really loudly at a festival and there's little to no compression, and some elements are flying all over the place it can pierce ears and maybe even damage equipment - while i agree its wholly un-necessary for songs that are played live such as those of metal and rock songs played out during the 80s-90s where drums and vocals were known to pierce through other ends of the music, this cannot be said for most digital music.

[QUOTE=AK'z;34817793]Correct. Some music can sound otherwise boring if all the instruments are at the same volume. It's not the artist or EVEN the producer's fault. It's solely the brainless audio engineers who are lazy to deliver good sound. [editline]22nd February 2012[/editline] This is not even about an "audiophile" only discussion. There's clear proof that most remasters are poor.[/QUOTE] The good ones will blow your mind however.

[QUOTE=Eluveitie;34817858]The good ones will blow your mind however.[/QUOTE] examples. I've heard good remasters for sure, but prefer originals.

[QUOTE=AK'z;34817875]examples. I've heard good remasters for sure, but prefer originals.[/QUOTE] Remaster [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnaeOTDMG_c[/media] original [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXCmvOe4hck[/media] But I'm with you though, I do prefer original versions of stuff.