Music? Is this generation making shit music, or are people not looking hard enough? - General

[QUOTE=zryii;34865638]I can't tell you how many people never even think about this. They complain about music today being about "alcohol, clubs and hoes" when the mainstream rock n roll of yesteryear was "sex drugs and rock n roll". But it's good because dad liked it.[/QUOTE] I really agree with you on that matter. Often when you are young things appear more awesome or because someone you really liked appreciated that song.

however the older you get, the more likely you are to change how you enjoy things. I remember always memorising a "beat/tune" as a kid. Now it's more about what I'm thinking as I enjoy it.

OP could of been a lot better. Anyways, with every generation, there is always music that will be mainstream. Because of this, if your genre is not the mainstream, you won't see it much. People are influenced by popular music and as a generation starts getting into [insert genre], more and more bands will pop up from [insert genre]. Thus, it will appear like all music is just [insert genre]. Of course, there are many bands that are not well known that make all kinds of music. Dubstep and Pop are both extremely popular as of late, Dubstep has not completely hit the mainstream and Pop is still high and mighty, with artists like Adele being highly accoladed. You can always find music that you like. Hard Rock / Metal isn't main-stream anymore. Rock used to be extremely bit in the 60s and 70s with large events like Woodstock drawing in thousands of people. But I still found a band from Norway (Called Lordi) that still makes excellent music and they even happen to sing in English (Not Rammstein English, Proper English). [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_M6px6Ynm90[/media] They won Eurovision 2006, and opened for Eurovision 2007. You may know "Epic Sax Guy", he was in one of the acts that played in Eurovision 2007 (I believe the band was named Moldova). IIRC, Moldova also won. It shows that everyone has varying tastes and just because one genre is mainstream doesn't mean you can't find other music.

how on earth is metal not mainstream, have you gone mad?

[QUOTE=Tukimoshi;34882519] Hard Rock / Metal isn't main-stream anymore. [/QUOTE] You do know that Metal is still incredibly popular? Especially the really heavy core stuff. [QUOTE=Tukimoshi;34882519]But I still found a band from Norway (Called Lordi) that still makes excellent music and they even happen to sing in English (Not Rammstein English, Proper English).[/QUOTE] Lordi is Finnish.

I'd put metal in the top 5 most popular styles of music at the moment. That's not a joke, there are entire countries liking the stuff.

I have happened to see Lordi live, they are good and I once listened to them a lot. In my own tastes thought they didn't fit too well. They are a great band, but they are definetly a band based off of GWAR. Plus at their concert they use too much fireworks...

See the thing is , anyone can make music now . Anybody with a computer can make music . Now, though it's a great thing that music is now accessible to anyone , it also means that quasi-musicians/artists who learn techniques and use DAW's (Digital audio workstations - FL Stuido - Logic etc) can make music . It's almost like how so many people learn how to play guitar and are in fact skillful, but do not produce anything worth a damn . The subjective nature of music does exist, however, there is music that is [B]GARBAGE [/B]. . and it's [B]NOT[/B] just my opinion . So you've got youtube/soundcloud or wherever flooded with these hacks that can shine shit . They are shit shiners . They polish turds and pass it off as "music" . I think anyone should have the ability to experiment and make their own music but I feel like people who actually care about the artistic value can easily get washed out by all the fucking [B]NOIZE[/B] I.E. overproduced [B]TRASH[/B] that people like to listen to when they are frying their brains on meth bombs passed off as E . Everything is so fucking trendy now . Everything is just a show . Music really doesn't feel pure . It's just these permanent climaxes of overproduced , overstimulating noise . Rock music, indie rock , Dubstep, hip hop, R&B - across the fucking board. . You ever hear somebody comment on an artists talent by saying "But you know, she even writes her own music ! She can play a piano! She made everything herself! " [B]AS IF IT'S A FUCKING MIRACLE THAT A MUSICIAN PLAYS THEIR OWN INSTRUMENT AND WRITES THEIR OWN MUSIC . WHAT THE FUCK! ?[/B] I don't think people really know what a musician has the responsibility of doing . I mean I know we had tin pan alley back in the day and hits ville but it's just out of fucking control today. I would say that it is a direct reflection of the technology influencing the creative process . Computers are so damn fast, and so damn smart that you can get it to do anything for you . Room processors , synthesizers, amplifier simulators etc.. it's amazing . And it can be a great thing . However, there isn't much room or opportunity for improvisation or discovery anymore (well there is if you try) since everything is just laid out in front of you to be pieced together . . There are so many aspects to it I can't even begin to explain . . Music is not just entertainment . So fuck the whole "lets just get along" bullshit . I don't care about what you listen to, but if you're a musician, and not someone who just wants to be one, you better be doing or trying to be doing something worthwhile for your own sake and for music as an art form . I want there to be a musical revolution where we ascend into the greatest moment of music history . I don't want to look back and think "okay we had Lady Gaga touring until she was 50 and some faux avant-garde pretentious indie rock groups with a shit load of reverb and jock-itch inducing skinny jeans. COME ON . As a musician and human being on planet earth I know it's my responsibility to create something that isn't just satisfying and enjoyable , but to give what I know . I think it is important to continue to push out into the dark, and feel around for something new . Yeah, it's comfortable to stay in one place and continue to do what you do, but for christ sake and the sake of music please go to the beat of your heart (if you've got one) and not to be completely influenced to create music based on what is popular, enjoyable, safe from ridicule and whatnot .

[QUOTE=Hooky;34889770]See the thing is , anyone can make music now . Anybody with a computer can make music . Now, though it's a great thing that music is now accessible to anyone , it also means that quasi-musicians/artists who learn techniques and use DAW's (Digital audio workstations - FL Stuido - Logic etc) can make music . It's almost like how so many people learn how to play guitar and are in fact skillful, but do not produce anything worth a damn . The subjective nature of music does exist, however, there is music that is [B]GARBAGE [/B]. . and it's [B]NOT[/B] just my opinion . So you've got youtube/soundcloud or wherever flooded with these hacks that can shine shit . They are shit shiners . They polish turds and pass it off as "music" . I think anyone should have the ability to experiment and make their own music but I feel like people who actually care about the artistic value can easily get washed out by all the fucking [B]NOIZE[/B] I.E. overproduced [B]TRASH[/B] that people like to listen to when they are frying their brains on meth bombs passed off as E . Everything is so fucking trendy now . Everything is just a show . Music really doesn't feel pure . It's just these permanent climaxes of overproduced , overstimulating noise . Rock music, indie rock , Dubstep, hip hop, R&B - across the fucking board. . You ever hear somebody comment on an artists talent by saying "But you know, she even writes her own music ! She can play a piano! She made everything herself! " [B]AS IF IT'S A FUCKING MIRACLE THAT A MUSICIAN PLAYS THEIR OWN INSTRUMENT AND WRITES THEIR OWN MUSIC . WHAT THE FUCK! ?[/B] I don't think people really know what a musician has the responsibility of doing . I mean I know we had tin pan alley back in the day and hits ville but it's just out of fucking control today. I would say that it is a direct reflection of the technology influencing the creative process . Computers are so damn fast, and so damn smart that you can get it to do anything for you . Room processors , synthesizers, amplifier simulators etc.. it's amazing . And it can be a great thing . However, there isn't much room or opportunity for improvisation or discovery anymore (well there is if you try) since everything is just laid out in front of you to be pieced together . . There are so many aspects to it I can't even begin to explain . . Music is not just entertainment . So fuck the whole "lets just get along" bullshit . I don't care about what you listen to, but if you're a musician, and not someone who just wants to be one, you better be doing or trying to be doing something worthwhile for your own sake and for music as an art form . I want there to be a musical revolution where we ascend into the greatest moment of music history . I don't want to look back and think "okay we had Lady Gaga touring until she was 50 and some faux avant-garde pretentious indie rock groups with a shit load of reverb and jock-itch inducing skinny jeans. COME ON . As a musician and human being on planet earth I know it's my responsibility to create something that isn't just satisfying and enjoyable , but to give what I know . I think it is important to continue to push out into the dark, and feel around for something new . Yeah, it's comfortable to stay in one place and continue to do what you do, but for christ sake and the sake of music please go to the beat of your heart (if you've got one) and not to be completely influenced to create music based on what is popular, enjoyable, safe from ridicule and whatnot .[/QUOTE] I didn't read much of this but seriously dude you gotta start somewhere and i don't even like electronic music. And if you think that all we had is Lady Gaga etc then you are talking about MAINSTREAM MUSIC and not MUSIC AS A WHOLE. you are being retarded and basing your musical opinions off of what radio stations and music channels play. [editline]27th February 2012[/editline] and judging music based on the kind of person the artist is is fucking RETARDED

music has always been shit, and pop music especially, because it's basically engineered to be trash. it's quick and easy and it turns a profit before people get fucking sick of it. and we dont remember the bad bands that played with led zeppelin and nirvana and because of it think that they were the averages in their time periods instead of the outstanding examples in an overwhelming sea of trash and because the internet is a thing, the overwhelming sea of trash is a lot more audible and people are sharing the music they listen to more than ever. people who listen to really shitty dubstep/deathcore/whatever you don't like are an audible portion instead of just the weird kids in the corner of the lunchroom that you will never encounter elsewhere [editline]27th February 2012[/editline] also you can judge the objective quality of music pretty easily if the fans of a band listen to the band because they are more interested in the band's image or what other people think of the listener, then they are a bad band. any number of bands that you (yes you!) hate are bad because their success as a band has nothing to do with the music they produce and because of it they just produce horrible trash.

[QUOTE=Hooky;34889770]quasi-musicians[/QUOTE] no such thing. if you make music you're a musician simple as that

[QUOTE=HybridTheroy;34890112]I didn't read much of this but seriously dude you gotta start somewhere and i don't even like electronic music. And if you think that all we had is Lady Gaga etc then you are talking about MAINSTREAM MUSIC and not MUSIC AS A WHOLE. you are being retarded and basing your musical opinions off of what radio stations and music channels play. [editline]27th February 2012[/editline] and judging music based on the kind of person the artist is is fucking RETARDED[/QUOTE] I think the reason why you didn't read much of what I wrote is because [I]you[/I] are retarded . You know there was a time when the mainstream was giving light to some of the most talented groups that changed the way we would think about music ? I know I would want the mainstream to be good again, who wouldn't ? CBS used to have a classical branch of their record label in the late sixties that barely made enough money to record but they still funded them because they believed in them and thought they were really something . That's fucking cool . I know an "underground" (and I use that term very loosely) exists but nothing has really struck me . I enjoy some modern bands but I really don't think there has been anything too worthwhile for quite some time . and don't kid yourself with the whole "judging" thing . Everyone judges each other, it's called being a human .

[QUOTE=Hooky;34890297]I think the reason why you didn't read much of what I wrote is because [I]you[/I] are retarded . You know there was a time when the mainstream was giving light to some of the most talented groups that changed the way we would think about music ? I know I would want the mainstream to be good again, who wouldn't ? CBS used to have a classical branch of their record label in the late sixties that barely made enough money to record but they still funded them because they believed in them and thought they were really something . That's fucking cool . I know an "underground" (and I use that term very loosely) exists but nothing has really struck me . I enjoy some modern bands but I really don't think there has been anything too worthwhile for quite some time . and don't kid yourself with the whole "judging" thing . Everyone judges each other, it's called being a human .[/QUOTE] I didn't read it because I didn't feel like reading a novel on some teen who doesn't know how to look for music. Go on [url]www.grooveshark.com[/url] and do some musical exploration through their radio feature. I love it. Go through every genre too it is fun. I however cannot stand screaming so I don't go near that shit :V I don't even really listen to radio or watch music television so I don't care what is mainstream. If a majority of society wants to like a certain kind of music I am not going to let that make me hate music because I love music. and about the whole judging thing. Music isn't people

[QUOTE=thisispain;34890284]no such thing. if you make music you're a musician simple as that[/QUOTE] O.K.

Andrew Jackson Jihad is a good modern artist [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFfuh9o4h2k[/media]

Whoever said it was only now that you can be a muscian is silly.

[QUOTE=HybridTheroy;34890355]I didn't read it because I didn't feel like reading a novel on some teen who doesn't know how to look for music. Go on [url]www.grooveshark.com[/url] and do some musical exploration through their radio feature. I love it. Go through every genre too it is fun. I however cannot stand screaming so I don't go near that shit :V I don't even really listen to radio or watch music television so I don't care what is mainstream. If a majority of society wants to like a certain kind of music I am not going to let that make me hate music because I love music. and about the whole judging thing. Music isn't people[/QUOTE] Well then, you shouldn't even be replying to it if you didn't read it because what you're responding with isn't ringing any bells in my head . I never said I hated music because the mainstream sucks and I never said that good music doesn't exist . . and the fact that you assumed that I'm "some teen" on a message board makes you just as judgmental as you said I was .

[QUOTE=Hooky;34890297] I know an "underground" (and I use that term very loosely) exists but nothing has really struck me . I enjoy some modern bands but I really don't think there has been anything too worthwhile for quite some time .[/QUOTE] That's because you haven't bothered looking. All you do is lecture and you haven't got a clue what you are saying. [editline]27th February 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=HybridTheroy;34890355]I didn't read it because I didn't feel like reading a novel on some teen who doesn't know how to look for music. Go on [url]www.grooveshark.com[/url] and do some musical exploration through their radio feature. I love it. Go through every genre too it is fun. I however cannot stand screaming so I don't go near that shit :V I don't even really listen to radio or watch music television so I don't care what is mainstream. If a majority of society wants to like a certain kind of music I am not going to let that make me hate music because I love music. and about the whole judging thing. Music isn't people[/QUOTE] music is people. Most of how I discover music has been through people and their influences.

Yeah, I definitely don't bother with modern underground (meaning today's underground) at all . But it's not that I don't have faith that something good is out there, it's because I have always preferred music from the 60's and early 70's . Though I like a lot of music from most decades I mostly listen to 60's . I'm satisfied with what I know at the moment. If there is something out there , it will come to me . I too have people who are always trying to show me new music I haven't heard yet.

[QUOTE=Hooky;34890479]Well then, you shouldn't even be replying to it if you didn't read it because what you're responding with isn't ringing any bells in my head . I never said I hated music because the mainstream sucks and I never said that good music doesn't exist . . and the fact that you assumed that I'm "some teen" on a message board makes you just as judgmental as you said I was .[/QUOTE] I didn't say that, I was simply stating my own opinion on mainstream music dude [editline]27th February 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=AK'z;34890481] Most of how I discover music has been through people and their influences.[/QUOTE] my point is it is stupid to judge the musical quality of an artist based on the kind of person (s)he is

[QUOTE=Hooky;34889770]See the thing is , anyone can make music now . Anybody with a computer can make music . Now, though it's a great thing that music is now accessible to anyone , it also means that quasi-musicians/artists who learn techniques and use DAW's (Digital audio workstations - FL Stuido - Logic etc) can make music . It's almost like how so many people learn how to play guitar and are in fact skillful, but do not produce anything worth a damn . The subjective nature of music does exist, however, there is music that is [B]GARBAGE [/B]. . and it's [B]NOT[/B] just my opinion . So you've got youtube/soundcloud or wherever flooded with these hacks that can shine shit . They are shit shiners . They polish turds and pass it off as "music" . I think anyone should have the ability to experiment and make their own music but I feel like people who actually care about the artistic value can easily get washed out by all the fucking [B]NOIZE[/B] I.E. overproduced [B]TRASH[/B] that people like to listen to when they are frying their brains on meth bombs passed off as E . Everything is so fucking trendy now . Everything is just a show . Music really doesn't feel pure . It's just these permanent climaxes of overproduced , overstimulating noise . Rock music, indie rock , Dubstep, hip hop, R&B - across the fucking board. . You ever hear somebody comment on an artists talent by saying "But you know, she even writes her own music ! She can play a piano! She made everything herself! " [B]AS IF IT'S A FUCKING MIRACLE THAT A MUSICIAN PLAYS THEIR OWN INSTRUMENT AND WRITES THEIR OWN MUSIC . WHAT THE FUCK! ?[/B] I don't think people really know what a musician has the responsibility of doing . I mean I know we had tin pan alley back in the day and hits ville but it's just out of fucking control today. I would say that it is a direct reflection of the technology influencing the creative process . Computers are so damn fast, and so damn smart that you can get it to do anything for you . Room processors , synthesizers, amplifier simulators etc.. it's amazing . And it can be a great thing . However, there isn't much room or opportunity for improvisation or discovery anymore (well there is if you try) since everything is just laid out in front of you to be pieced together . . There are so many aspects to it I can't even begin to explain . . Music is not just entertainment . So fuck the whole "lets just get along" bullshit . I don't care about what you listen to, but if you're a musician, and not someone who just wants to be one, you better be doing or trying to be doing something worthwhile for your own sake and for music as an art form . I want there to be a musical revolution where we ascend into the greatest moment of music history . I don't want to look back and think "okay we had Lady Gaga touring until she was 50 and some faux avant-garde pretentious indie rock groups with a shit load of reverb and jock-itch inducing skinny jeans. COME ON . As a musician and human being on planet earth I know it's my responsibility to create something that isn't just satisfying and enjoyable , but to give what I know . I think it is important to continue to push out into the dark, and feel around for something new . Yeah, it's comfortable to stay in one place and continue to do what you do, but for christ sake and the sake of music please go to the beat of your heart (if you've got one) and not to be completely influenced to create music based on what is popular, enjoyable, safe from ridicule and whatnot .[/QUOTE] First of all, music has always been trendy. It never hasn't been trendy. There is no such thing as unpure music, music is music, even noise can be turned into music. The core of your argument is that current music is being flooded with what you call trash. Your problem is right there, this trash is considered good by other people, AND THERE IS NOTHING FUCKING WRONG WITH THAT. So people have different opinions that you and that there is more of the music that you don't like being produced. What's wrong with it? It's musical expansion, we always need new ways to create music, we need new types of music. If that doesn't happen, music will become stale and shit. JUST BECAUSE THE NEW STUFF THAT IS BEING CREATED DOESN'T FIT TO YOUR FUCKING TASTES DOES. NOT. MEAN. IT. IS. TRASH. Grow the fuck up, accept other people's music tastes and realise you are a fucking idiot for thinking you're superior because you listen to music that isn't 'trash'.

[QUOTE=HybridTheroy;34890658] my point is it is stupid to judge the musical quality of an artist based on the kind of person (s)he is[/QUOTE] Yeah but it's pointless to ignore personality. But then again people are prejudiced. [editline]27th February 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Hooky;34890534]If there is something out there , it will come to me.[/QUOTE] That's the thing, it won't. If you have been listening to music for a certain amount of time, you start realising you haven't tried new things.

[QUOTE=AK'z;34890758]Yeah but it's pointless to ignore personality. But then again people are prejudiced.[/QUOTE] Are you talking about judging the artists' personality base on the music he plays? Because that is vica versa of what I am talking about and still a horrible thing to do

[QUOTE=Hooky;34890297]I think the reason why you didn't read much of what I wrote is because [I]you[/I] are retarded . You know there was a time when the mainstream was giving light to some of the most talented groups that changed the way we would think about music ? I know I would want the mainstream to be good again, who wouldn't ? CBS used to have a classical branch of their record label in the late sixties that barely made enough money to record but they still funded them because they believed in them and thought they were really something . That's fucking cool . I know an "underground" (and I use that term very loosely) exists but nothing has really struck me . I enjoy some modern bands but I really don't think there has been anything too worthwhile for quite some time . and don't kid yourself with the whole "judging" thing . Everyone judges each other, it's called being a human .[/QUOTE] There are two kinds of mainstream. Mainstream as in force-fed cash cow, and mainstream as in well-known and appreciated. There are plenty of quality mainstream musicians out there that shouldn't require any effort to hear. Radiohead, Bon Iver, Arcade Fire, Gorillaz, Kanye West, Beastie Boys, all of them are obscenely popular and totally embedded in modern society, and they still produce quality listening. The Beatles, Pink Floyd etc. also fall into the latter category.

[QUOTE=HybridTheroy;34890815]Are you talking about judging the artists' personality base on the music he plays? Because that is vica versa of what I am talking about and still a horrible thing to do[/QUOTE] Take a movie, you don't judge merely on one strength of character. You look at it from different angles, personal feelings and experiences and make your call. Exact same thing with an artist's work. But in music, more people are prejudiced against certain styles/personalities. It happens less in people for movies for some reason.

[QUOTE=AK'z;34890879]Take a movie, you don't judge merely on one strength of character. You look at it from different angles, personal feelings and experiences and make your call. Exact same thing with an artist's work. But in music, more people are prejudiced against certain styles/personalities. It happens less in people for movies for some reason.[/QUOTE] Agreed. Music can definitely be judged through the artist's personality, but not while disregarding all of the other factors that define it.

[QUOTE=Nibwoddle;34890892]Agreed. Music can definitely be judged through the artist's personality, but not while disregarding all of the other factors that define it.[/QUOTE] So you would think an artist is shitty because he wears baggy pants and his hats backwards all the time (this is just an example)

[QUOTE=HybridTheroy;34890924]So you would think an artist is shitty because he wears baggy pants and his hats backwards all the time (this is just an example)[/QUOTE] Can you read? I said not while disregarding all the other factors that define it. An artist's personality is just one attribute.

[QUOTE=HybridTheroy;34890924]So you would think an artist is shitty because he wears baggy pants and his hats backwards all the time (this is just an example)[/QUOTE] No. That's clearly dumb. Here's a question, would you listen to music that is inspired by religious philosophies? The next question is about if you would listen to music by a murderer.

If it was good yeah I am also going to stop because it seems everything I type you guys can't seem to get it and misunderstand it completely. [editline]27th February 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Nibwoddle;34890936]Can you read? I said not while disregarding all the other factors that define it. An artist's personality is just one attribute.[/QUOTE] No I can't read that is why I can answer your posts