• The Moron's Guide To Transhumanism, Human Enhancement And Why It's Fucking Awesome.
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[QUOTE=MaverickIB;32154517]There'd be no incentive for people to make great music or great discoveries. History books would be filled with the names of companies instead of the names of individuals. That's the next step of human evolution?[/QUOTE] What makes you think this?What does running faster have to do with music? Besides the people who made the augmented legs will be in the history book. [editline]6th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=MaverickIB;32154640]Yeah, but being a firefighter isn't about breathing in dangerous environments. No tools firefighters use go into burning buildings and save people for them. If a firefighter were to use some kind of special robot to go into the building, nobody would praise him. They'd talk about how awesome the robot is. [/QUOTE] Unless the machine can do it completely without any human help then sure. Then the creator of the machine will get the credit and we will have less people dieing or having to do that type of hard job. Its really a win win. [editline]6th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=MaverickIB;32154640]So just because it won't happen tomorrow, it's okay? Oh my bad, I didn't know things suddenly become okay as long as they happen in the far future.[/QUOTE] Your being scared over nothing. If anything having robots do all the hard jobs is a good thing. It means man can spend there time on more productive things like the arts or sciences.
Because if you use an aug that helps you develop better music, it's the same situation. I feel distraught because you're just not understanding what I'm saying even though I'm making it pretty clear. Like I said, those companies that make the legs will be in the history books. Maybe the creator of the first leg would be in there as an individual, but beyond that it will be the companies who get the credit, not individuals. At the most, the CEO would get the credit. I guess it's totally okay that the guy who designed the legs gets the credit, not the person who used them.
[QUOTE=MaverickIB;32154706]Because if you use an aug that helps you develop better music, it's the same situation.[/QUOTE] Then we get better music. Really things like wanting credit is pretty much just immaturity. Humans will do something else then. Instead of getting credit for running faster they will get credit for working on machines and advancing science. Thats a good thing. [editline]6th September 2011[/editline] Really at this point we will live in a world where machines can take all the hard jobs where the average man doesn't even have to work with technology taking away most human problems and your worring about whos going to get credit.
I don't understand your point. Why do we [I]need[/I] praise? Why can't we just accept good actions as good actions and proliferate them in the future? Do you really need a fucking pat on the head to do anything in your life? Are you that fucking pitiful? [editline]6th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=MaverickIB;32154706]Because if you use an aug that helps you develop better music, it's the same situation. I feel distraught because you're just not understanding what I'm saying even though I'm making it pretty clear. Like I said, those companies that make the legs will be in the history books. Maybe the creator of the first leg would be in there as an individual, but beyond that it will be the companies who get the credit, not individuals. At the most, the CEO would get the credit. I guess it's totally okay that the guy who designed the legs gets the credit, not the person who used them.[/QUOTE] Yeah, it is fucking okay. Norman Borlaug got credit for saving a billion people, not the ten million people that farmed the wheat strains he made. So what? Did those farmers just give up and let themselves and their country starve because they didn't get fucking credit?
That's a very naive viewpoint of the world. Do I need a pat on the head to do anything? No. Do most people? Yes. A lot of self-esteem/confidence comes from assurance from others. Human beings like to be told they're doing a good job, they like to know someone is paying attention and not all of their efforts are being done in vain. You're telling me you totally wouldn't mind doing a school project and have someone else take all the credit for it? You'd be satisfied knowing you worked hard and it turned out well, despite nobody knowing or caring? In a perfect world, the goodness of our hearts would carry us through life like that, but that just isn't the way things are. People would get tired of being overlooked, having people pay more attention to their augs and not the person behind them. I mean, it's bad enough that the higher ups in the world see everyone else as stats and resources. To the government, you're just a taxpayer. To the CEO of the place you work for, you're just a resource. However, to your local manager, you're still viewed as a human being. Your peers still see you as a human being. How would you feel if you were just a machine or tool to everyone else? If the person standing in front of you treated you like a telemarketer or customer service person does? It'd suck.
[QUOTE=MaverickIB;32156126]That's a very naive viewpoint of the world. Do I need a pat on the head to do anything? No. Do most people? Yes. A lot of self-esteem/confidence comes from assurance from others.[/QUOTE] Then those people will do other things not taken by machines. If basketball is taken then do science or game design.
It's not limited to just physical activity. It would apply to the arts as well, if the brain implants and whatever comes true.
[QUOTE=MaverickIB;32156185]It's not limited to just physical activity. It would apply to the arts as well, if the brain implants and whatever comes true.[/QUOTE] Sorry but we are a long way from creating computers that can can think up original ideas for us. Its not impossible but by the time that happens we won't even care about credit since we will be to smart for that bullshit thanks to computer implants.
That magnets thing for magnetic field would be handy for builders.
When a firefighter runs into a burning building, his respirator cleans the air for him, his suit nullifies the fire for him, his boots protect from uneven ground for him, his gloves keep his hands from being singed for him, and yet nobody says 'wow that suit did all the work' when said firefighter rescues someone from said burning building. Tools aren't everything, even with something as simple as running. Runners, for example, have to train extensively just to run in the most efficient manner. In the same way, if a pilot does a good job and lands a passenger plane flawlessly in poor conditions, he gets the credit. He may simply be the operator of a complex machine, but being a good operator deserves credit in of itself. Just because a machine is doing most of the work for you doesn't mean you're not important, and I think it's just silly to think that if the firefighter in the original example had heat-resistant artificial skin instead of a coat, people wouldn't care about his effort and would simply marvel at the augmentation.
Every damn time I see this thread, I think it says "Mormon's guide".
[QUOTE=MaverickIB;32156185]It's not limited to just physical activity. It would apply to the arts as well, if the brain implants and whatever comes true.[/QUOTE] You may get less praise for creating art but it also becomes a lot easier to produce. If the machine is doing ALL the work then it's be silly to expect praise for it and I think people will understand that. They can just enjoy whatever the machine throws out. Heck, for music you can have someone else create something while you just sing it and still have fans. You don't even have to sing it anymore. You can just say it and the machine will fix up the pitch for you.
Degree of difficulty for music and art isn't to be ignored, but it's not the only part. If something is made easier to do then it's more a matter of what you create rather than your ability to create, it becomes more focused on the ideas and the experience rather than something complicated, not that I ever really appreciated things just because they were difficult to do. In one way it's bad because the degree of difficulty factor is mostly lost, to think someone just downloaded drivers for painting into their artificial arm doesn't have the same feel as if someone spent a lifetime learning to paint. In a much more important way though, it gives everyone the ability to create meaning great ideas that would have never been expressed due to inability to create are allowed to grow. Should help the medium as a whole I think.
Man I'm not going to read through 12 pages of arguments, nor did I need to read OP to know that augmentations are awesome nor did I need to play any games, or watch any movies. They are just cool.
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