The Moron's Guide To Transhumanism, Human Enhancement And Why It's Fucking Awesome.

[acds]

The problem with augmentation would be that it would most probably hit the market way before it's without drawbacks (because everyone wants to be first and have market dominance even for just a few months). Replacing an entire arm isn't just cutting off the old one and attaching a new one, when you start implanting stuff into the brain, heart or spine it gets even more complicated (it could take one or two lifetimes to actually map the effects of it).
Also people who don't get augmented are in a difficult situation, get augmentations and deal with the possible side effects, or don't and perform worse than everybody else?

Either way it would have to be regulated. People cutting themselves up at home and shoving various electronics and metals into themselves isn't humanitarianism, science or cybernetics/augmentations, it's just retarded self harm that doesn't do any good.

[Supacasey]

[QUOTE=acds;31992355]The problem with augmentation would be that it would most probably hit the market way before it's without drawbacks (because everyone wants to be first and have market dominance even for just a few months). Replacing an entire arm isn't just cutting off the old one and attaching a new one, when you start implanting stuff into the brain, heart or spine it gets even more complicated (it could take one or two lifetimes to actually map the effects of it).
Also people who don't get augmented are in a difficult situation, get augmentations and deal with the possible side effects, or don't and perform worse than everybody else?

Either way it would have to be regulated. People cutting themselves up at home and shoving various electronics and metals into themselves isn't humanitarianism, science or cybernetics/augmentations, it's just retarded self harm that doesn't do any good.[/QUOTE]
You sound like a purist right out of Deus Ex, man. Seriously that was practically verbatim.

[acds]

[QUOTE=Supacasey;31992370]You sounds like a purist right out of Deus Ex, man.[/QUOTE]

As long as augmentations would be without serious drawbacks, no problem with them. If getting augmented means having to deal with serious side-effects, everyone else (me included) would be forced to either deal with those effects or not get augs (good luck getting a good job when everyone else has a CPU in the brain and can calculate an equation with 50 variables in 0.01 milliseconds).
Though if there are no (or nearly) side effects then I'll be the first in line to get some.

And yes the game does bring up food for thought, but I've had these ideas long before DE:HR.

[Shoupie]

That was fun to watch.

[Im-Bored]

Only if there were more submissions for this.
[url]http://i.materialise.com/challenge/i-materialise-machine-man-human-augmentation-design-challenge[/url]
This seemed like it had potential for a bit more serious augmentations (excluding the glasses and touchscreen finger).

[Mingebox]

[QUOTE=Supacasey;31992370]You sound like a purist right out of Deus Ex, man. Seriously that was practically verbatim.[/QUOTE]You don't belong here, hazner

[TerabyteS_]

Why would one do this to himself? All it looks to me is painful and unnecessary.

I mean, if something was wrong with me (missing a leg, being deaf) I would give it a try (still being scared about the pain), but this stuff done just for fun looks pointless, dangerous and stupid to me.

[jeimizu]

[QUOTE=Stren;31991520]Defibrillators are about the size of a laptop, no way you could implant one.
[/QUOTE]

Internal defibrilators have existed for a while.
[url]http://www.defibinfo.com/internal-defibrillator[/url]

I'm pretty sure my grandmother has one built into her pacemaker.

[Stren]

[QUOTE=FinalHunter;31993652]"you can feel when you're crossing through magnetic fields" Yeah I would imagine so when your hand is stuck to your car door[/QUOTE]I know I said it was the same kind of magnets used in hard drives, but those are a hell of a lot bigger than a 2mm disk and I can pull those off things with minimal effort, you don't know much about this at all.

[editline]28th August 2011[/editline]

[QUOTE=jeimizu;31994066]Internal defibrilators have existed for a while.
[url]http://www.defibinfo.com/internal-defibrillator[/url]

I'm pretty sure my grandmother has one built into her pacemaker.[/QUOTE]Any I've seen are fairly large, but I guess you need a whole lot less power when you're putting the shock straight across the heart rather than across the chest externally.

[Bravojr]

Yay I want this to be a reality!
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzgpU25C6fg[/media]
You know this would totally happen to people.

Someones got to ruin the fun.

[thisispain]

sounds like everyone's getting ridiculously ahead of themselves.

[Eudoxia]

Transhumanism isn't just about human augmentation:

[MEDIA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-n39RK4inzg[/MEDIA]
[MEDIA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3S9z6H_EFqQ[/MEDIA]
[MEDIA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Edl6uFn3_g4[/MEDIA]

[PollytheParrot]

Whenever I think of this stuff I think of the neural implants from KOTOR.

Good times :dance:

[Gook Nukem]

[QUOTE=ewitwins;31990880]My second question would be this: every doctor takes the "Hypocratic Oath", with can basically be summed up by saying "Do No Harm". I know that lots of people here would gladly replace a perfectly healthy limb to have an awesome robotic one, or robot eyes, or what have you, but how is a Doctor supposed to react to a situation like that? Does removing a healthy limb count as "doing harm"?
[/QUOTE]
The Hypocratic Oath means the doctor won't intentionally harm you ("haha you're unconscious so I'll poke you a few times in the butt with the scalpel haha") or perform unnecessary/unconsensual surgery IIRC

If you want a robotic limb, and it's easily possible, I think he'd be allowed to if it's a common procedure.

[Contag]

[QUOTE=ewitwins;31990880]My second question would be this: every doctor takes the "Hypocratic Oath", with can basically be summed up by saying "Do No Harm". I know that lots of people here would gladly replace a perfectly healthy limb to have an awesome robotic one, or robot eyes, or what have you, but how is a Doctor supposed to react to a situation like that? Does removing a healthy limb count as "doing harm"?[/QUOTE]

I wished I lived your in your perfect reality where all doctors are wonderful purveyors of good.

[Mister Sandman]

I think I'm going to wait until this is more developed and way less risky before I go cutting the shit out of my body and shoving parts in there

[uhrwerk_maus]

I love this thread.
I would totally do this, except that whenver I look at my own open wounds it scares the shit out of me.

[Mister Sandman]

[QUOTE=uhrwerk_maus;31995981]I love this thread.
I would totally do this, except that whenver I look at my own open wounds it scares the shit out of me.[/QUOTE]
if you actually did this there would need to be an actual reason for doing it
like as in it needs to be useful
oh and I'm assuming cutting open your own body hurts a teeny bit and also it probably hurts when you try to put stuff in it too so

[InUndenial]

Wouldn't having magnets in your hands fuck up all electronics?
Think about trying to use an iPod, or even a mouse.
It would ruin so much of your life!

[Ac!dL3ak]

[QUOTE=InUndenial;31996671]Wouldn't having magnets in your hands fuck up all electronics?
Think about trying to use an iPod, or even a mouse.
It would ruin so much of your life![/QUOTE]

don't touch hard drives!

[InUndenial]

Forget about gaming.

[Boozy&Bitter]

[QUOTE=acds;31992355]The problem with augmentation would be that it would most probably hit the market way before it's without drawbacks (because everyone wants to be first and have market dominance even for just a few months). Replacing an entire arm isn't just cutting off the old one and attaching a new one, when you start implanting stuff into the brain, heart or spine it gets even more complicated (it could take one or two lifetimes to actually map the effects of it).
Also people who don't get augmented are in a difficult situation, get augmentations and deal with the possible side effects, or don't and perform worse than everybody else?

Either way it would have to be regulated. People cutting themselves up at home and shoving various electronics and metals into themselves isn't humanitarianism, science or cybernetics/augmentations, it's just retarded self harm that doesn't do any good.[/QUOTE]

So you don't want people to have control over their body?

[Nautsabes]

Lepht spoke at some school about her various implants!

[video=youtube;a-Dv6dDtdcs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-Dv6dDtdcs&list=FLuVXEOipTlM65YTi7Coys4A&index=1&feature=plpp[/video]
[video=youtube;7RV_6Axb80g]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RV_6Axb80g&feature=related[/video]
[video=youtube;L5n2aJeAGyM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5n2aJeAGyM&feature=related[/video]

[Mister Sandman]

[QUOTE=Nautsabes;31996897]Lepht spoke at some school about her various implants!

[video=youtube;a-Dv6dDtdcs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-Dv6dDtdcs&list=FLuVXEOipTlM65YTi7Coys4A&index=1&feature=plpp[/video]
[video=youtube;7RV_6Axb80g]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RV_6Axb80g&feature=related[/video]
[video=youtube;L5n2aJeAGyM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5n2aJeAGyM&feature=related[/video][/QUOTE]
Hi I'm not a doctor or a scientist or anything but let me tell you about all kinds of shit you can do with your body that I don't know if it will have terrible side effects

[Nautsabes]

Nothing wrong with sharing information. She isn't saying to go out and do it.

[Ac!dL3ak]

[QUOTE=Nautsabes;31996897]Lepht spoke at some school about her various implants!

[video=youtube;a-Dv6dDtdcs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-Dv6dDtdcs&list=FLuVXEOipTlM65YTi7Coys4A&index=1&feature=plpp[/video][/QUOTE]

just stay away from normal people they're stupid

[s0beit]

[QUOTE=acds;31992522]As long as augmentations would be without serious drawbacks, no problem with them. If getting augmented means having to deal with serious side-effects, everyone else (me included) would be forced to either deal with those effects or not get augs (good luck getting a good job when everyone else has a CPU in the brain and can calculate an equation with 50 variables in 0.01 milliseconds).
Though if there are no (or nearly) side effects then I'll be the first in line to get some.

And yes the game does bring up food for thought, but I've had these ideas long before DE:HR.[/QUOTE]

You're wrong, though. You have to consider the ramifications of the technology on everyone in society - You for example see a separation in class almost immediately between those with the technology and those without, there will still be purists and yet they will benefit even without being 'augmented'.

The invisible problem of before and after most people tend to have are not isolated to this one incident. Consider the technological advancements being made because of augmented people will grant everyone on this entire planet use of extended resources.

Like the plane or automobile people themselves will be more efficient on a wide scale - leading to a general abundance of resources, think about it, really.

People could type faster, think faster, program faster, do manual labor faster and probably better you can really apply the increase in productive activity across the board, economically. If this were to happen I don't see poverty ever being a reality for anyone, not excluding purists.

To the matter of side effects, totally irrelevant. Drugs have side effects and can alter you as well, most of the time it isn't to the benefit of anyone and yet I don't have a problem with people being able to treat their bodies as they wish in those scenarios. It isn't your decision to make, I'm sorry but that's a concept people haven't understood for a long time and I think it's time that it's made a come back.

Conclusion: Make people who [i]really[/i] want augs sign waivers and inform them it's experimental, no bullshit FDA type deal which will hold up technology for decades. Like those who in the industrial era who lost their jobs to the automation of the assembly line, they will indirectly reap the benefits through a general abundance of things that were not abundant before. New jobs will be created, even for people without augmentations which on it's face value might seem crappy but when they're able to buy things they previously couldn't with even the most meager salary, while I'm sure they will complain, it is my perception that they should not. In comparison to the augmented people their options may be limited and they might dislike their situation but in contrast to their lives before augmentation it would be multiple times better.

Think of it, really. There would be no need for schooling if we can learn everything we need to know from a machine. There would be no barriers to entry in any field (for those augmented). It would be the single greatest human advancement the world has ever seen.

There may be a division between those augmented and those not but that really rests upon the shoulders of those who decide not to do it, their lives may not be as glorious but as i said before their lives will be better, anyway. They may not have as many options but that's a conscious decision - you would have, for the first time in human history, the ability to consciously decide to increase - in an instant, mind you - your productive capacity.

If those non-augmented are to be left behind then it is inevitable, unfortunately, but the decision is their own.

[The one that is]

At above.
So you're saying that because I don't want to be a cyborg I will have to be left behind and made poor based entirely on the fact that I do not wish to have a doctor cut my body apart and piece it together with machines. That's stupid as hell and I hope you look back on your post and realise that. That's basicaly saying you're all for having a class based society where the poor are those who choose to not be augmented. You're an idiot. Plus consider the idea that someone might get ahold of technology capable of setting off an EMP or something, your augments are now fucked and you're probably fucked as well. Or maybe they run a magnet over your head and your hard drive augmented brain suddenly turns into mush and you become a useless husk, fun huh?

[Nautsabes]

-snip-

Now you're just trolling.

[Ac!dL3ak]

[QUOTE=The one that is;31997318]At above.
So you're saying that because I don't want to be a cyborg I will have to be left behind and made poor based entirely on the fact that I do not wish to have a doctor cut my body apart and piece it together with machines. That's stupid as hell and I hope you look back on your post and realise that. That's basicaly saying you're all for having a class based society where the poor are those who choose to not be augmented. You're an idiot. Plus consider the idea that someone might get ahold of technology capable of setting off an EMP or something, your augments are now fucked and you're probably fucked as well. Or maybe they run a magnet over your head and your[B] hard drive augmented brain [/B]suddenly turns into mush and you become a useless husk, fun huh?[/QUOTE]

what the fuck

if we have enough technology to send specific signals to the brain, don't you think we'd drop the magnetic hard drive disks while we're at it?

He's not saying that people without augmentations can't get jobs, he's saying that people with augmentations can do things better. And if augmentations are so expensive that it's more of a premium than anything, then don't you think employers would offer augmentations if they required it?

also

[QUOTE=acds;31992522]As long as augmentations would be without serious drawbacks, no problem with them. If getting augmented means having to deal with serious side-effects, everyone else (me included) would be forced to either deal with those effects or not get augs (good luck getting a good job when everyone else has a CPU in the brain and can [B]calculate an equation with 50 variables in 0.01 milliseconds).[/B]
Though if there are no (or nearly) side effects then I'll be the first in line to get some.

And yes the game does bring up food for thought, but I've had these ideas long before DE:HR.[/QUOTE]

what practical application would ever apply for that?