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The Moron's Guide To Transhumanism, Human Enhancement And Why It's Fucking Awesome.

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[QUOTE=Stren;32073879]If someone managed to make this and sneak it into a commercial product, they'd better program me to shake their hand because they'd fucking deserve it considering making something like that in the first place without someone knowing would be nigh impossible.[/QUOTE] It depends, really. UNLESS there's a great deal of transparency to the companies that develop this stuff then it's possible it could happen. Corporate secrets are a BIG thing to companies and unless there's some law passed that makes it illegal for them not to disclose the exact workings of their product then something could slip by.

[QUOTE=sltungle;32074472]It depends, really. UNLESS there's a great deal of transparency to the companies that develop this stuff then it's possible it could happen. Corporate secrets are a BIG thing to companies and unless there's some law passed that makes it illegal for them not to disclose the exact workings of their product then something could slip by.[/QUOTE]Of course, even if it's not perfect there's plenty of geeks who spend their spare time taking things apart and trying to find ways to break them, jailbreak them and making them do things they weren't designed for, I really doubt anything like that would slip through testing, and even if it did it would get found by someone within weeks or months.

[QUOTE=Stren;32075711]Of course, even if it's not perfect there's plenty of geeks who spend their spare time taking things apart and trying to find ways to break them, jailbreak them and making them do things they weren't designed for, I really doubt anything like that would slip through testing, and even if it did it would get found by someone within weeks or months.[/QUOTE] Completely true, but it's the intervening 'weeks' or 'months' that worries me (hell even days). It's not often that some genuinely fucking crazy person gets into power, but when they do... shit hits the fan.

[QUOTE=sltungle;32075750]Completely true, but it's the intervening 'weeks' or 'months' that worries me (hell even days). It's not often that some genuinely fucking crazy person gets into power, but when they do... shit hits the fan.[/QUOTE]It's very, very unlikely, plus they'd either have to pull off their attempt first try or get their shit wrecked by basically the entire planet, and you know what revolutionary technology is like on release.

[QUOTE=MaverickIB;32031638]I feel like the brain shouldn't be worked on because it doesn't really need to improve. I mean, the main thing holding our brains back is our bodies. In a sense, our brains are being bottlenecked. You could probably hook someone up with 4-6 arms and they'd manage it just fine after getting used to it, without taxing the brain too much more. We have a long ways to go in terms of improving our bodies before we even need to begin thinking about improving our brains. The only brain related modifications I would consider reasonable at this moment are ones to prevent deteriorative effects like Alzheimer's.[/QUOTE] Bullshit, our brains could use loads of improvement. [editline]2nd September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Devodiere;32054592]It's something a lot of people really get upset about and think it's going to cause a horrible oligarchy where the augmented Übermenschs rule over the primitive and far less intelligent poor. They forget that computers are stupid and connecting a computer to your brain won't make them any smarter.[/QUOTE] At the same time, augmentation could allow people to become truly equal with no more "smart" people constantly out doing those with a lesser mental capacity.

I want rocket legs. Like, normal shaped artificial legs that turn into huge jets, Ironman style. Get on it, Aerospace/Biological engineering. [editline]2nd September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=carcarcargo;32075997]Bullshit, our brains could use loads of improvement. [/QUOTE] While I love the idea of bio-augmentation making humans stronger, faster, and more resilent, modification to intelligence and reaction time seems like a no-no to me This would give corparations the ability to control peoples personalities and opinions directly. We would literally run the risk of being turned into mindless corporate slaves.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;32075997]At the same time, augmentation could allow people to become truly equal with no more "smart" people constantly out doing those with a lesser mental capacity.[/QUOTE] Until we're at the point where the augs make us more than our biological bodies do, which is probably going to be the tipping point for "posthuman", I can't see that happening. A very nice thing to aim for though. [QUOTE=TraderRager;32076156]I want rocket legs. Like, normal shaped artificial legs that turn into huge jets, Ironman style. Get on it, Aerospace/Biological engineering.[/QUOTE]This is exactly the attitude this thread was supposed to dissuade people from having :I

[QUOTE=TraderRager;32076156]I want rocket legs. Like, normal shaped artificial legs that turn into huge jets, Ironman style. Get on it, Aerospace/Biological engineering. [editline]2nd September 2011[/editline] While I love the idea of bio-augmentation making humans stronger, faster, and more resilent, modification to intelligence and reaction time seems like a no-no to me This would give corparations the ability to control peoples personalities and opinions directly. We would literally run the risk of being turned into mindless corporate slaves.[/QUOTE] I'm sure there would be plenty of legal stuff put in place to prevent this. [editline]2nd September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Stren;32076202]Until we're at the point where the augs make us more than our biological bodies do, which is probably going to be the tipping point for "posthuman", I can't see that happening. A very nice thing to aim for though. This is exactly the attitude this thread was supposed to dissuade people from having :I[/QUOTE] I know we couldn't do it straight away, but eventually I would like to see an equal society with no more stronger and weaker, smarter and dumber, faster and slower, attractive and ugly.

[QUOTE=Stren;32076202] This is exactly the attitude this thread was supposed to dissuade people from having :I[/QUOTE] So wait, by liking the idea of sensory imput augmentation, that means I am NOT aloud to love the idea of self-propelled flight? The fuuuuuuuck you.

[QUOTE=TraderRager;32076302]So wait, by liking the idea of sensory imput augmentation, that means I am NOT aloud to love the idea of self-propelled flight? The fuuuuuuuck you.[/QUOTE]No, it just that superhero fantasies make the transhumanist movement look like angsty teenagers who read too much Iron Man comics to a lot of people.

You could do iron man stuff using external stuff any way, no point in implanting it into ones self.

[QUOTE=Stren;32076327]No, it just that superhero fantasies make the transhumanist movement look like angsty teenagers who read too much Iron Man comics to a lot of people.[/QUOTE] T'was a joke. Chill.

Am I right in saying that girl in the video will destroy any electronic part (hard drives, GPUs etc.) she touches? Or are the implants too small to do that? Either way I think it's pretty stupid to do that to yourself just so you can feel some vibrations in your fingers whenever something unimportant like a hard drive spinning happens.

Gonna be a space marine. Simply transhumanism. Just the skin is being changed. Now, the whole part about getting your genes changed and having 2 hearts and stuff like that, that's probably a lot harder.

First thing I thought of when I read this was Adam Jensen

[QUOTE=sltungle;32073147]To be fair it probably WOULD end up happening. SOMEBODY, SOMEWHERE in a position to abuse the technology inevitably would (it always happens in the end with any technology), and to be honest, the thought of that happening is... terrifying.[/QUOTE] There's always DIY transhumanism. A guy I know offered to install brain implants on 'anyone who showed up at his doorstep'. Nobody showed up.

[QUOTE=SnakeSolid;32076440]Am I right in saying that girl in the video will destroy any electronic part (hard drives, GPUs etc.) she touches? Or are the implants too small to do that? Either way I think it's pretty stupid to do that to yourself just so you can feel some vibrations in your fingers whenever something unimportant like a hard drive spinning happens.[/QUOTE]They are far, far, far too small to do that, the fields of the magnets themselves are barely strong enough to reach more than a a few dozen millimetres from the fingertip, it's when other fields move into that space they they have an effect. And I think it'd be very interesting to have a new sense, any new sense really.

[QUOTE=Ac!dL3ak;32065299]:eng101:[/QUOTE] Fine jeez I haven't finished the game yet.

The video in the OP was a bit disgusting. But would any of you care to tell me how putting tiny magnets into your fingertips helps you? Sure, you can feel magnetic fields or such, but does it actually improve anything?

Yeah feeling magnetic fields is a bit shit, now being able to see other parts of the electromagnetic spectrum would be pretty cool.

[QUOTE=fishyfish777;31988225]Fuck all ya'll I want minigun arms[/QUOTE] [img]http://www.allvideo.org/pictures/mdk/mdk_screenshot2.jpg[/img] I'd get a sniper head also.

[QUOTE=catbarf;32015451]Um, no. Just no. Try looking at a bridge and calculating its exact stress points and fracture weight. Or calculate the exact impulse needed to break a window. Or integrate a rocketry equation to find the exact delta-v for any given mass ratio and thrust exhaust. A computer can do any of those in a heartbeat. You need a calculator, pen, and paper. Computers are much, much better than human brains at their specific task. Uh, what? Sounds like you've been reading too much new-age nonsense.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=acds;32018146]Ok, draw me a graph for x from -1 to 0.5 for this x/5+(x^6)/9. I'll be generous and give you 100 milliseconds, even though a CPU does that a lot faster.[/QUOTE] Because math is quite obviously the only subject that matters in life and is what everyone needs to be doing. Show me a computer that can produce art or music (that isn't based on premade math formulas) without human interaction and then you have an argument for the "inferiority of the human brain". Comparisons between calculators/computers and brains are pointless. Sure, it would certainly help if we could increase our calculation ability exponentially, but to think that brain is "inferior" and in need of dire improvement because of this is just a ridiculous underestimation of our abilities.

[QUOTE=Z3r0747;32082939]Because math is quite obviously the only subject that matters in life and is what everyone needs to be doing. Show me a computer that can produce art or music (that isn't based on premade math formulas) without human interaction and then you have an argument for the "inferiority of the human brain". Comparisons between calculators/computers and brains are pointless. Sure, it would certainly help if we could increase our calculation ability exponentially, but to think that brain is "inferior" and in need of dire improvement because of this is just a ridiculous underestimation of our abilities.[/QUOTE] And with the necessary modifications a person could be able to play any music they liked

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;32083187]And with the necessary modifications a person could be able to play any music they liked[/QUOTE] And you don't think there is something wrong with that? "Oh well I have no talent guess I better go buy some!" :frog:

[QUOTE=TraderRager;32083940]And you don't think there is something wrong with that? "Oh well I have no talent guess I better go buy some!" :frog:[/QUOTE] what's wrong with that no more dumb pricks trying to outdo each other, sounds good to me [editline]3rd September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Z3r0747;32082939]Because math is quite obviously the only subject that matters in life and is what everyone needs to be doing. Show me a computer that can produce art or music (that isn't based on premade math formulas) without human interaction and then you have an argument for the "inferiority of the human brain". Comparisons between calculators/computers and brains are pointless. Sure, it would certainly help if we could increase our calculation ability exponentially, but to think that brain is "inferior" and in need of dire improvement because of this is just a ridiculous underestimation of our abilities.[/QUOTE] find me a person who can produce art after having grown up in a neutral vacuum The only reason that we can make art is because we take in stimuli, combine it, and then spit it out. Art isn't the production of truly original content you know.

I want to pick up vending machines.

[QUOTE=TraderRager;32083940]And you don't think there is something wrong with that? "Oh well I have no talent guess I better go buy some!" :frog:[/QUOTE] Hey if its software thats required they could just download them for free.

[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;32087106]Hey if its software thats required they could just download them for free.[/QUOTE] TheTalentBay .org

[QUOTE=TraderRager;32083940]And you don't think there is something wrong with that? "Oh well I have no talent guess I better go buy some!" :frog:[/QUOTE] Autotune.

[QUOTE=TraderRager;32083940]And you don't think there is something wrong with that? "Oh well I have no talent guess I better go buy some!" :frog:[/QUOTE] So you think that it's perfectly fine that some people are born with such ability completely by chance, while others struggle to get a decent job because they weren't born with the necessary ability to do a better job?

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