Millennials In The Workplace - General

[QUOTE=haloguy234;51623486][B]What I mean by work ethic is the concept of applying oneself to the job they are getting paid to do. There's a difference between working hard and applying yourself. It's about time management. I've seen more millenial types glued to their phones for what seems like all hours of a work day than older people. On the other hand I've also seen plenty of older people skip out on working all together, or finding that a better way to spend their time is to talk to coworkers than do their job.[/B] I'm not saying that a workplace should be some neo communist "what can I do for the company, not for myself" thing, but there's a very clear difference between doing your job and not doing your job. Right now, I'm not doing my job because I'm posting this. But I'm also on a break so it's no big deal. I'm just saying that in my own anecdotal experience I've seen more millenials fail at doing what they're paid to do than slightly older individuals.[/QUOTE] I on the other hand, see adults glued to their phones like fucking addicts all the time. Managers, store clerks, people in positions of administration and the like. Parents. You name it. They are stuck staring at a screen and have less power to pull themselves away than the young people I know. It's very easy to just blame a group, but in reality, it's just how people are. [editline]4th January 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;51623496]It really doesn't matter if you think your job is above or below you; you're still getting paid to perform a task, and being on your cellphone or just not doing your job is a shitty work ethic. If you're getting a paycheck, then you're expected to work and do your job to the best of your abilities. Yea, your job might suck and your pay might suck but you're still being paid to work, anything less is cheating your employer. Just because your job sucks doesn't justify you having a shitty work ethic. In my completely anecdotal experience, hardwork does pay off. It took me from a dead end retail job at 18 to a full fledged career at 22, completely doubling my pay and improving my quality of life ten fold.[/QUOTE] I work hard at my job. But, there's also hours of my day where there's literally nothing to do. I've done my job. I've done other peoples jobs. I've done shit that doesn't need to be done for days. I'm in a customer service job, and if my job is done, and there are no customers to help, what should I do? Twiddle my thumbs because looking at a screen would be bad? I've literally sat at my desk, with no customers coming in, and no legal ability for me to go gather business(literally against the law for me to go solicit business) for 6 hours and had nothing to do but read the internet. Would that be my fault for being a "bad employee" or my managers fault for being a "bad manager" and not having things for me to do? and as personalized as this experience is, I know a large number of people in similar situations.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51623552]I on the other hand, see adults glued to their phones like fucking addicts all the time. Managers, store clerks, people in positions of administration and the like. Parents. You name it. They are stuck staring at a screen and have less power to pull themselves away than the young people I know. It's very easy to just blame a group, but in reality, it's just how people are. [editline]4th January 2017[/editline] I work hard at my job. But, there's also hours of my day where there's literally nothing to do. I've done my job. I've done other peoples jobs. I've done shit that doesn't need to be done for days. I'm in a customer service job, and if my job is done, and there are no customers to help, what should I do? Twiddle my thumbs because looking at a screen would be bad? I've literally sat at my desk, with no customers coming in, and no legal ability for me to go gather business(literally against the law for me to go solicit business) for 6 hours and had nothing to do but read the internet. Would that be my fault for being a "bad employee" or my managers fault for being a "bad manager" and not having things for me to do? and as personalized as this experience is, I know a large number of people in similar situations.[/QUOTE] Oh yeah, definitely. It's really all over the place with good work ethic. As far as what do do when there's nothing to do, that's definitely different. If your job is to handle customers and there aren't any customers to handle, then in that regard there's no reason to sit there and twiddle your thumbs. When things are slow at my job of course I'm shit posting on the internet using my phone. My point was that there's just a very clear difference between milennials and those that are a little bit older as far as potential opportunities and career choices are concerned. It's not the fault of millenials, it's just due to how society as a whole has evolved in the last few decades. It caters to an entirely different mindset of "work". And even those outside of the milennial age are thrown into it as well.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51623552] I work hard at my job. But, there's also hours of my day where there's literally nothing to do. I've done my job. I've done other peoples jobs. I've done shit that doesn't need to be done for days. I'm in a customer service job, and if my job is done, and there are no customers to help, what should I do? Twiddle my thumbs because looking at a screen would be bad? I've literally sat at my desk, with no customers coming in, and no legal ability for me to go gather business(literally against the law for me to go solicit business) for 6 hours and had nothing to do but read the internet. Would that be my fault for being a "bad employee" or my managers fault for being a "bad manager" and not having things for me to do? and as personalized as this experience is, I know a large number of people in similar situations.[/QUOTE] Bad management for not delegating proper amounts of work, and I don't know the specifics of your job, but you can always clean and organize.

[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;51623639]Bad management for not delegating proper amounts of work, and I don't know the specifics of your job, but you can always clean and organize.[/QUOTE] The problem with that stuff is its something you don't want to get started on and then have to stop. I work in an electronics repair shop and I keep things as tidy as possible but there are times where it starts looking like Sanford and Son because generally you have to make it look a lot worse before it starts looking better. I don't want to start down that process and then end up with a store full of customers when the front looks like an e-waste scrapyard. It's very personalized experiences like HumanAbyss said.

[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;51623639]Bad management for not delegating proper amounts of work, and I don't know the specifics of your job, but you can always clean and organize.[/QUOTE] To a degree you can, but once something is cleaned and organized, it's cleaned and organized and anything further is "busywork".

[QUOTE=haloguy234;51623650]The problem with that stuff is its something you don't want to get started on and then have to stop. I work in an electronics repair shop and I keep things as tidy as possible but there are times where it starts looking like Sanford and Son because generally you have to make it look a lot worse before it starts looking better. I don't want to start down that process and then end up with a store full of customers when the front looks like an e-waste scrapyard. It's very personalized experiences like HumanAbyss said.[/QUOTE] And you're not wrong, but what I'm talking about isn't finishing your work early and doing nothing. What I'm talking about in concerns to poor work ethic is people who shirk their tasks and their job to do something else (IE: talk to coworkers, spend time on their cellphone, stare at the ceiling, ect.). I'm of the opinion that finishing your work early and having nothing else to do for the rest of your shift isn't a poor work ethic. With my job, my place of work is my work vehicle. I drive anywhere between 500-1,000 miles a week and my work day may be 2 hours or it may be 20, I work till I deem the job to be done. I clock in on my cell phone when I get in my truck in the morning and clock out when I get to my hotel or back home. Because of that, theres really no way for me to shirk my duties, unless I clock in and just stay home but thats literally stealing company time. [editline]4th January 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51623655]To a degree you can, but once something is cleaned and organized, it's cleaned and organized and anything further is "busywork".[/QUOTE] Right but that doesn't really have anything to do with your work ethic, that just means you have nothing to do which isn't what I'm talking about. When I worked at walmart as an electronics associate and a few different kinds of managers, I saw [i]a lot[/i] of people with shitty work ethics who would rather stand around behind the counter and chat than do their jobs. Those types of people aren't at all exclusive to any age group. I probably saw more older people doing it than I did younger people. And me working my ass off and doing other people's jobs for them got noticed and is what got me promoted, making me the youngest manager in the region. Hard work gets noticed and it pays off, as long as you have a good manager above your head.

[QUOTE=haloguy234;51623381] The real problem is in order to make a decent living in this day and age, you pretty much have to go to college. And college is expensive, and like I said, dumb. The only real way to make a living is by doing things like going into business for yourself. I think this is why things like content creation are so popular. You can make videos on youtube, gather a following, get decent money from ad revenue and even get people paying you monthly with services like patreon. It's a complete 180 from how things used to be, and that is where the primary disconnect is between millenials and everyone else.[/QUOTE] I think we're starting to reach a point where even going to college isn't enough to get a good job anymore.

[QUOTE=Oizen;51623781]I think we're starting to reach a point where even going to college isn't enough to get a good job anymore.[/QUOTE] It is. It's now more important than ever that you know a guy who knows a guy than what your actual qualifications are. There are of course outliers to this but the job market has been this way for a very long time. The difference is, 20+ years ago employers wanted good, hard working, and qualified employees even if the cost to maintain them was higher than less-than-satisfactory employees. Most jobs in the realm of digital entertainment are full of terrible work environments, and that's really all that can pay well enough unless you happen to make it in good somewhere like a store chain, go get a PHD, or work on an oil rig. A lot of these companies would rather pay some chump fresh out of a feeder school $13/hr to sit in a cubicle for 14 hours a day refactoring code for a new project rollout than pay a more qualified person with more experience more money for less hours. It's all been in constant decline for quite some time now. And that's why college is ultimately useless unless you're going to be a doctor, engineer, or a lawyer. If you want to be treated right the best thing to do is find some kind of a local business that caters to what you can do. I got really lucky with that, but local businesses don't have the security of large chain stores. In fact most new businesses fail within a year (they really do, look it up). This goes back to the whole business for yourself thing. Honestly the best thing anybody can do is learn a trade and work with that. The good thing about some digital entertainment fields is you can be totally freelance and still make a reasonable living. In those fields it's more about what you can do, not who you know. If that's not your thing, learning a trade is a good way to go because you'll be guaranteed to land a job somewhere that's heavily unionized with a metric truckload of employee rights and make some good money as well. In a lot of ways I actually think that's a good thing, the concept of being able to wake up and stay in your home and make $600 for building a website for someone is actually very good. The downside is there are plenty of fields like that which aren't good for everybody. It's all just really strange. It'll be interesting to see how the job markets look in 10 more years.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51623552]I on the other hand, see adults glued to their phones like fucking addicts all the time. Managers, store clerks, people in positions of administration and the like. Parents. You name it. They are stuck staring at a screen and have less power to pull themselves away than the young people I know. It's very easy to just blame a group, but in reality, it's just how people are. [editline]4th January 2017[/editline] I work hard at my job. But, there's also hours of my day where there's literally nothing to do. I've done my job. I've done other peoples jobs. I've done shit that doesn't need to be done for days. I'm in a customer service job, and if my job is done, and there are no customers to help, what should I do? Twiddle my thumbs because looking at a screen would be bad? I've literally sat at my desk, with no customers coming in, and no legal ability for me to go gather business(literally against the law for me to go solicit business) for 6 hours and had nothing to do but read the internet. Would that be my fault for being a "bad employee" or my managers fault for being a "bad manager" and not having things for me to do? and as personalized as this experience is, I know a large number of people in similar situations.[/QUOTE] A lot of adults are stuck to their phones due to work email....companies can be a bitch and if you don't keep up when you come into work the next week you'll be so behind dealing with emails.

[QUOTE=haloguy234;51623381]Technology. IT is huge and is constantly growing. Web dev is expanding at an exponential rate. Video game and other forms of digital entertainment are also on the rise. And all of these require at least some form of college education unless you know someone.[/QUOTE] I'mma go ahead and debunk this for video games and media production. Nobody gives a shit what grades you got or what school you went to - it's all about your portfolio and what you can practically do, and show for yourself. I failed 11 out of my 15 classes AND dropped out of upper higher school. Still got a job based entirely on my portfolio, and have been headhunted by several studios following.

[QUOTE=haloguy234;51622349]I think the reason why the gap for finding millenials is so small is because of the impact of technology. Keep in mind that there was only a very small time frame between no such thing as the internet to "we just got DSL". Not to mention the incredible advances in other technologies for entertainment, specifically video games, TV, music, and film. The period between 1985-1995 is on that fringe zone. I classify anybody born AFTER 1995 as a millenial, because by the time they were old enough to do things independently like seek out fun in their free time (around 2000), most middle class homes had at least DSL and a Playstation or computer with a handful of games. The ones who grew up seeing it all evolve grow up with a bit of respect for technology. They weren't born into it, they got to see it change and advance. Quite rapidly, at that. That's the main difference between "everybody else" and millenials. Millenials don't really have a perception of life without being constantly tethered to some kind of electronic device. Those born in the fringe zone do.[/QUOTE] That's Gen Z you're talking about, not millennials. [IMG]http://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1432/23/1432234771854.jpg[/IMG]

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[QUOTE=tehMuffinMan;51622322]i was born in 99 what hte fucké am i i'd like to say gen z because they're more conservative[/QUOTE] is there actual proof to back this up...?