[url=http://www.mspaforums.com/showthread.php?47411-An-Untitled-TF2-Adventure&p=6336914&viewfull=1#post6336914] My adventure's main character is already dead[/url]
[QUOTE=red_pharoah;35684708][url=http://www.mspaforums.com/showthread.php?47411-An-Untitled-TF2-Adventure&p=6336914&viewfull=1#post6336914] My adventure's main character is already dead[/url][/QUOTE]
Took you long enough.
Slow thread. I guess I'll check out the MSPA forums image manip
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[url=http://mspaforums.com/showthread.php?46777-LandLost-text-%28Oh-god-what-did-I-do-last-night%29/page12]Oh and my adventure updates.[/url]
[QUOTE=Sift;35682366]I think I'm the only one who likes this plot but thinks it shouldn't be part of homestuck. I kinda already have a strong dislike of the new kids and the new trolls and whatever the fuck, but shit's so fucking stupid now that it seems like Andrew just wants to make up as much random shit as he can and see if he can tie it together to get more praise.
Like it's gone past being gripping and now moving onto the pointless spectrum. I'm worried that the comic will not end now, like he's loving the attention his fanbase is feeding him or something, like this should of ended months ago but he keeps dragging it out and adding to it just because he can.
Way earlier in the comic when the mailman finds the monitors and see's Jade there's a green glow and a explosion, this is proper foreshadowing and was addressed, now with this whole stupid future thing he makes a few callbacks and it's all super loose and handwaving and just irritating in general.
But whatever, I know I'm in a minority here, just somewhat frustrated[/QUOTE]
Hussie wrote about people who thought this way & attributed the feeling to having to wait for updates as opposed to going through the entire story in one sitting. I personally agreed with Hussie I this one.
If anything, he has never been more accommodating to fans who complain all the time! He's been consistent about writing about all the characters instead of ignoring the kids like he did during the first part of Act 5, & his flash making skills have increased in a very different way since Cascade. He now puts more effort into creative uniqueness eater than trying to make insanely long & pretty flashes.
I could even say that Hussie's writing and story telling ability has never been better!
[QUOTE=Sift;35682366]I think I'm the only one who likes this plot but thinks it shouldn't be part of homestuck. I kinda already have a strong dislike of the new kids and the new trolls and whatever the fuck, but shit's so fucking stupid now that it seems like Andrew just wants to make up as much random shit as he can and see if he can tie it together to get more praise.
Like it's gone past being gripping and now moving onto the pointless spectrum. I'm worried that the comic will not end now, like he's loving the attention his fanbase is feeding him or something, like this should of ended months ago but he keeps dragging it out and adding to it just because he can.
Way earlier in the comic when the mailman finds the monitors and see's Jade there's a green glow and a explosion, this is proper foreshadowing and was addressed, now with this whole stupid future thing he makes a few callbacks and it's all super loose and handwaving and just irritating in general.
But whatever, I know I'm in a minority here, just somewhat frustrated[/QUOTE]
I've never read Homestuck and thought "You know, it should have ended back there".
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[QUOTE=Sift;35682366]I think I'm the only one who likes this plot but thinks it shouldn't be part of homestuck. I kinda already have a strong dislike of the new kids and the new trolls and whatever the fuck, but shit's so fucking stupid now that it seems like Andrew just wants to make up as much random shit as he can and see if he can tie it together to get more praise.
Like it's gone past being gripping and now moving onto the pointless spectrum. I'm worried that the comic will not end now, like he's loving the attention his fanbase is feeding him or something, like this should of ended months ago but he keeps dragging it out and adding to it just because he can.
Way earlier in the comic when the mailman finds the monitors and see's Jade there's a green glow and a explosion, this is proper foreshadowing and was addressed, now with this whole stupid future thing he makes a few callbacks and it's all super loose and handwaving and just irritating in general.
But whatever, I know I'm in a minority here, just somewhat frustrated[/QUOTE]
It's always worked like that.
[QUOTE=Hussie around mid-act 3][u][b]How much do you have planned in advance right now? [/b][/u]
It's hard to quantify. It helps to understand what planning actually means in this context.
When you do something like this, it seems like the attitude of many readers is that the action should be almost entirely extemporaneous, or at least be sold to feel that way. Otherwise, why bother implementing user input at all? When evidence of planning becomes exposed, it carries the appearance of cheating in a way. Like an improv comic, who largely relies on the appearance of being off the cuff for his act to feel authentic. If the audience catches on that some of the material was prepared in advance, or that the go-to jokes are applicable regardless of what suggestion is shouted from the crowd, it loses something.
But I'm not actually that concerned with this issue. It's not a problem. Just an observation.
The long and short is, some very big picture stuff is planned in advance, and has been since page 1. In particular, various SYSTEMS were planned. Systems related to how the game works, how items are manufactured, how the environment is manipulated, aspects of the virtual universe they enter, and the ultimate purpose of the game. These are systems, but systems alone do not a plot make.
When it comes to plot elements, very little planning is done, and practically none at all before page 1. A good example of the story taking an unanticipated turn is the post-apocalyptic elements, which I really had no idea I'd be getting into from the start. It felt like a necessary dynamic to add to the gaming system to help raise the stakes in the story. It was actually influenced by the various apocalyptic movie posters in John's room, and the discussions they had about them. Those were not planted in advance as foreshadowing, because there was nothing yet to foreshadow. Retroactive foreshadowing is a pretty common occurrence with projects like this. It often solidifies the illusion of planning. This was a case where some trivial nonsense I injected into the story turned out to be extremely relevant. Sometimes that happens with my own nonsense, sometimes it happens with reader-supplied nonsense.
But assuming there is some element of planning - and there is - the only issue remaining is how far in advance does story planning occur? That's why the subject of planning vs. extemporaneous story building is tricky. Plans don't exist... UNTIL SUDDENLY THEY DO! For example, there was a time when Jade (then known as "GG") made casual reference to having a pet, and a grandfather. These simple facts become a lock in the story, and it would be months until those details were elaborated upon. In the passing months, while I attend to other parts of the story, I have no choice but to dwell on those things she casually mentioned, and think about who they are, and how they fit into the bigger picture. This is certainly a form of planning, and the reader was witness to the plan's conception. And though technically, plot details which are sat on and incubated for months can no longer be considered extemporaneous, the ideas sure were extemporaneous when they were first mentioned!
This is exactly how most things end up being "planned". A concept is dropped on the reader, and then goes into hiding for a while. I think about it in the shadows. But even then, I deliberately keep the planned aspects a little vague and open-ended, so they can be modified to fit the details of the story when the time comes. This was especially evident when I started replaying certain Pesterchum conversations, from the other character's vantage in the past. At one point Dave was complaining about puppets. You could only picture what was going on at his end. In fact, I didn't even know, and I didn't really want to know. I let his narrative catch up to that point, then molded the events to match his side of the conversation. Again, the illusion of planning arises.
That's what I do with every concept introduced. I try to keep it a little generalized and flexible, something I can return to later with more refinement, and mix with user input. That was the driving paradigm behind all the game systems. Everywhere you look with the game systems, you see inherent flexibility. The ability to combine items with other items. The ability to prototype a Kernelsprite with anything, twice. The ability to manipulate a house in almost any way.
The philosophy here is two-fold. The obvious side of it is, it allows readers a more built-in means of influencing the world we create here. But the less obvious motivation, and maybe the more important one, is that it helps spark the imagination of the reader. The story, ultimately, can only go down the path it goes down. But before it does, the reader can understand these game mechanics, and speculate on all the possibilities. What sort of objects would you combine if you were playing the game? What would you prototype with? What kind of villains would that create? There are millions of different versions of the game that could be played, a unique instance for each player. This is all theoretically supposed to be part of the fun.
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[url]http://andrewhussie.blogspot.co.uk/2009/11/interrogative-remarks-followed-by.html[/url]
Now even you can make a horrible fan troll.
[URL="http://ib.skaia.net/post/view/44028"]http://ib.skaia.net/post/view/44028[/URL]
[QUOTE=Reds;35685618]I've never read Homestuck and thought "You know, it should have ended back there".[/QUOTE]
No I meant it more like, it COULD of ended by now, I mean wasn't this whole story supposed to only be 2 years long or something like that? It just kinda feels like everytime we start making progress in the plot something stupid happens and woops reset back to square one. It's almost like Dragonball Z to a extent "Great now we're strong enough to fight x but oh no now a NEW villain has shown up, okay we're mostly prepared but now a NEW villain popped up!!"
I wonder if Candence or however you spell her name would of been a actual character if fans didn't find the betty crocker thing hilarious.
Also I'm not saying his story writing is awful or anything, just that he's dragging this on far longer then it probably should of gone, and this future timeline thing sounds like it should be it's own story, not a part of homestuck.
[QUOTE=father_snake;35686407]Now even you can make a horrible fan troll. [URL="http://ib.skaia.net/post/view/44028"]http://ib.skaia.net/post/view/44028[/URL][/QUOTE]
My only real gripe is how the legs are too long
[QUOTE=Sift;35686753]No I meant it more like, it COULD of ended by now, I mean wasn't this whole story supposed to only be 2 years long or something like that? It just kinda feels like everytime we start making progress in the plot something stupid happens and woops reset back to square one. It's almost like Dragonball Z to a extent "Great now we're strong enough to fight x but oh no now a NEW villain has shown up, okay we're mostly prepared but now a NEW villain popped up!!"
I wonder if Candence or however you spell her name would of been a actual character if fans didn't find the betty crocker thing hilarious.
Also I'm not saying his story writing is awful or anything, just that he's dragging this on far longer then it probably should of gone, and this future timeline thing sounds like it should be it's own story, not a part of homestuck.[/QUOTE]
i don't know about you guys but the whole stupidly dragging things along and always adding in random new shit is like, the main reason I like homestuck so much. It's crazy and stupid and you never know what the fuck is going to happen next. 12 new characters? 4 Universes? Main character dies? Minor character is actually a god-tier suddenly? Good stuff
Part of what makes it great, is how long it's taken to tell its story.
S'like this huge epic of a webcomic, it's not done till it's done.
The whole Scratch universe thing has been planned for ages. & without UU & uu & the prescratch trolls there would be no more mystery. What's the fun in that?
[editline]23rd April 2012[/editline]
If new things were not added I could write the end of Homestuck right now!
The 8 kids & the rest of the surviving trolls team up & defeat the bad guys & create a new universe & live in it happily ever after everyone can stop reading Homestuck now
[QUOTE=Levithan;35687210]Part of what makes it great, is how long it's taken to tell its story.
S'like this huge epic of a webcomic, it's not done till it's done.[/QUOTE]
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[url=http://www.fanfiction.net/s/7017667/1/Daddy_Dearest]john loves his daddy.[/url]
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why the fuck would you even post thi- oh its you
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[url=http://www.fanfiction.net/s/7017667/1/Daddy_Dearest]john loves his daddy.[/url][/QUOTE]
no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no
[QUOTE=XD!;35688114]
[url=http://www.fanfiction.net/s/7017667/1/Daddy_Dearest]john loves his daddy.[/url][/QUOTE]
That's okay, I didn't need eyes anyways.
Injecting comic in futile attempt to relieve pain
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[QUOTE=person11;35687243]The whole Scratch universe thing has been planned for ages. & without UU & uu & the prescratch trolls there would be no more mystery. What's the fun in that?
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Kinda what I meant actually, I know it won't fly because y'know, homestuck thread and all, but I kind of want the story to wrap up and have a tidy conclusion instead of adding more and more characters to the point it's hard to keep up with because who the hell cares outside of truly diehard fans of the series. Just because one mystery is solved doesn't mean 2 more need to spring up, and that's kind of what I'm trying to get at with the whole "I don't really seeing it ending and dragging out to much"
Trust me, I was around for the whole "final boss" of Problem Sleuth when it first happened and am used to shit taking to long but this is just kinda crazy. It feels like 0 progress is being made and nothing is happening, oh man they're god tier that's great, so does that mean they're going to fight? Nope, gonna keep on running? Sure why not.
I want the plot to actually go somewhere, instead of introducing things then downplaying them the next second, and honestly I wouldn't be surprised if he's putting so many characters in godtier just to sell hoodies and shirts at this point.
I plan on reading this still but it's kinda dumb if you think this is a PARAGON OF WRITING or whatever.
I've got it! Just stare at this until the pain goes away!
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[QUOTE=XD!;35688114]
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0/10 UGLY AS FUCK WOULD NOT BANG
[QUOTE=XD!;35688114][img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/26617987/Stuff-I-Am-Not-Proud-Of/Cosplay/1335199986719.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
that person is now my favorite roxy cosplayer ever
[QUOTE=Sift;35689939]Kinda what I meant actually, I know it won't fly because y'know, homestuck thread and all, but I kind of want the story to wrap up and have a tidy conclusion instead of adding more and more characters to the point it's hard to keep up with because who the hell cares outside of truly diehard fans of the series. Just because one mystery is solved doesn't mean 2 more need to spring up, and that's kind of what I'm trying to get at with the whole "I don't really seeing it ending and dragging out to much"
Trust me, I was around for the whole "final boss" of Problem Sleuth when it first happened and am used to shit taking to long but this is just kinda crazy. It feels like 0 progress is being made and nothing is happening, oh man they're god tier that's great, so does that mean they're going to fight? Nope, gonna keep on running? Sure why not.
I want the plot to actually go somewhere, instead of introducing things then downplaying them the next second, and honestly I wouldn't be surprised if he's putting so many characters in godtier just to sell hoodies and shirts at this point.
I plan on reading this still but it's kinda dumb if you think this is a PARAGON OF WRITING or whatever.[/QUOTE]
The success of any story revolves around there being mysteries to solve- actually wait
I am pretty sure people said the same things as you did when the 12 trolls were introduced and holy shit they all turned out to be important relatable characters that meant a lot to the overall plot of the story! The scratch kids will end up the same way. As for the plot going places, it is going somewhere, just slowly. Hussie has not changed his writing style too much, we are simply stuck waiting for updates instead of simply reading everything at once. The story is only going slowly for us because we have to wait for a couple pages of updates every day instead of having everything immediately available. I never said that Hussie was the best writer ever, but he is pretty damn good.
[QUOTE=i300;35689996]that person is now my favorite roxy cosplayer ever[/QUOTE]
I still really like the one that went as far as to make the hair perfect, including the little hair swirly, posted some pages back.
That shit was perfect.
I think the biggest problem people have with the new characters is the fact that story goes glacially slow. Anyone who reads Homestuck after it's done is having the best experience.
[quote]Chamango: imagine if you will
Chamango: a young andrew hussie
Chamango: are you imagining it yet
Chamango: you need to before i continue
Vezon: okay
Vezon: im imagining it
Vezon: it's pretty hot
Chamango: good
Chamango: so now hussie was a stubborn child
Chamango: when it was time for everyone to practice their writing he refused
Chamango: he said writing was dumb
Chamango: eventually the teachers decided to put him with a bunch of books and tell him to appreciate the written word
Chamango: then they left him in a room all by himself
Chamango: when they got back he said he read all of them and they were pleased
Chamango: when he said he also wrote some of his own they were confused
Chamango: there was no blank paper in the books
Chamango: he handed over a copy of "pony pals" and said "here's one"
Chamango: the teachers were horrified at the defacement of basically an entire library
Chamango: they fumed and said "what do you have to say for yourself!?"
Chamango: he looked up
Chamango: and you know what he said
Chamango: [url]http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lfk9oxnBDV1qgzyuoo1_400.jpg[/url]
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Roxy in a Yoko costume. I've seen everything now.
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