Jimmy Kimmel Introduces DACA Opponents to Dreamers - General

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;53106690]I don't think splitting politics into teams is a good thing. To be honest I'm starting to think anyone who just picks a team and plays ball is a moron. Lately I've started to refuse to be classified (as opposed to saying "I'm a conservative but..." like I used to). I state my position on every individual issue as it comes up. I think if everyone took this approach our political climate would be a lot better. A lot of conservatives refuse to compromise and a lot of liberals refuse to compromise. Depends on the issue and who's taking the active stance on it. The bulk of conservatives won't compromise on healthcare. The bulk of liberals won't compromise on gun control. If you grill either on their individual convictions you will usually find a more moderate viewpoint buried under the party line. It's time to move past the two-party system and abandon the left/right spectrum. It's outdated as fuck and nowhere near an accurate enough gauge to be used the way it's being used.[/QUOTE] It's funny you mention gun control because interestingly enough FP leans somewhat right on gun rights in America. You'll rarely see anyone on FP support anything like the Assault Weapons Ban.

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;53106690]I don't think splitting politics into teams is a good thing. To be honest I'm starting to think anyone who just picks a team and plays ball is a moron. Lately I've started to refuse to be classified (as opposed to saying "I'm a conservative but..." like I used to). I state my position on every individual issue as it comes up. I think if everyone took this approach our political climate would be a lot better. A lot of conservatives refuse to compromise and a lot of liberals refuse to compromise. Depends on the issue and who's taking the active stance on it. The bulk of conservatives won't compromise on healthcare. The bulk of liberals won't compromise on gun control. If you grill either on their individual convictions you will usually find a more moderate viewpoint buried under the party line. It's time to move past the two-party system and abandon the left/right spectrum. It's outdated as fuck and nowhere near an accurate enough gauge to be used the way it's being used.[/QUOTE] Personally, I just don't discuss politics with anyone I know in real life because it tends to be a solid mess all around. I don't necessarily agree with either side's stances on core policy issues a hundred percent, but there's this silly idea where I'm supposed to approve everything by association, which results for really doozies of political arguments. "Oh, you like the liberals policy of X? So you're okay with <anoother actual Liberal policy I don't really like>? Geddouttaheeere." This "If you're not with us you're against us" mentality and a pervasive, toxic idea that it'd be better to choose the hill to die on rather than compromise or change your stance based on actual facts on the ground is a cancerous sore on politics. It takes a bigger man to admit when they had it wrong and can work towards change for the better good, in the face of actual data. It's truly a childish approach to double down and get so attached to your already wrong viewpoint to the point where you can see nothing else. What's the old quote, again? "There are none so blind as those who [I]will not see.[/I]"

[QUOTE=skatehawk11;53105873]I'm done here. You guys are too polarized to even have a proper discussion. You have a "DACA or bust" attitude. I hope you all are happy when your resentment to Trump is so great that it caused you unable to compromise and end up having thousands of good people deported. Call me a quitter or that I am too overwhelmed by you all being right but at the end of the day my life is not any worse that good people are being deported. I hope you're proud. [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("Still cannot function here." - Kiwi))[/highlight][/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Lambeth;53106140]I don't get why conservatives can't compromise on their dumb ideas. I always see issues framed in a way that suggests liberals need to compromise.[/QUOTE] I know skate's permabanned, but I still want to comment on this. Republicans, since Obama (and maybe earlier, I don't remember) know what they're doing - they know compromise sounds good to constituents, but they also know giving any leeway to [I]them darn Dems[/I] sounds bad to constituents. So they set forth some stupid idea, or refuse a perfectly good idea, stick their stake in the ground, then say the Dems have to compromise. The Dems will compromise a bit, but then the Republicans, not budging from their stake, will say "no, not good enough, look how hard we're compromising by talking to you, you're stubborn". And people like skate fall for it. They absorb this Republican idea of compromise as "compromise no matter the logic or facts", rather than "compromise usually protects us from one side doing stupid shit". I'm not going to be one of those people who say "eww, centrists, would you compromise on [I][B][U]HITLER!!!?!??![/U][/B][/I] compromise doesn't exist" But I'm also not going to say that all compromise is good, especially when it's been shown over the past 10 years that people (mostly Republicans) will hijack the term to get 99% of what they want, or a good idea packaged with a dumb one like with this "Both DACA and Wall or neither" thing. There's good compromise and bad compromise. Let's say there's an empty lot, and 2 people. Good compromise: "Let's build a store here." "No, let's build a park here." "A store would make money." "A park would make people happy." "But money." "How about we have a smaller store in the back of the lot and a garden in front of it?" "That's fine." Bad compromise, aka what we've been seeing from Republicans for a decade: "I kind of want a park, but let's build a store here." "Let's put a minefield here." "What no what's wrong with you!?" "You WANT [I]criminals[/I] here? Fine, I'll be the [I]bigger man[/I] and [I]compromise[/I](tm). A store with a mine field around it." "No!" "A store with a mine field in front of it?" "No!" "Behind?" "No!" "Only a few mines?" "No!" "Okay, final offer. A store and we hide one mine somewhere." "No!" "You are [I]so stubborn![/I] Why won't you [I]compromise[/I](tm) with me? I'm using my half of ownership to block anything from being built here and it's [I]your fault[/I]."

[QUOTE=skatehawk11;53105873]I'm done here. You guys are too polarized to even have a proper discussion. You have a "DACA or bust" attitude. I hope you all are happy when your resentment to Trump is so great that it caused you unable to compromise and end up having thousands of good people deported. Call me a quitter or that I am too overwhelmed by you all being right but at the end of the day my life is not any worse that good people are being deported. I hope you're proud. [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("Still cannot function here." - Kiwi))[/highlight][/QUOTE] I must admit I am posting on an alt because I don't feel like being banned for posting on others bans but this one just seems unjustified. His arguments is fucking stupid but I don't think posting a dumb conservative opinion should result in a ban that looks more like censorship. I'm not trying to defend the retard but if we are going to ban people for dumb conservative ideas Tudd should have been banned a year ago. I was also looking at his history to see why he got perma'd and it looks like the same situation happened [URL="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1529281&page=2"]here [/URL]too. [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("Gimmick" - Kiwi))[/highlight]