I only use stereotypes when something seems like a possibly dangerous situation.
I.E. alone at night and some random dude is following me and has saggy pants and is wearing a bandanna, I nope out of there as fast as I can.
Beyond first impressions, I don't think they should be used that much.
Being profiled sucks, I was violently removed from my car and put in handcuffs and thrown into the back of the police car while my girlfriend was handcuffed and sat on the side of the road. The officer told me I was driving through my own neighborhood suspiciously and didn't use a turning signal 100 feet before the stop sign.
Being profiled is fucked up, I was charged with a two $248 dollar tickets which was supposed to be used to start my funding for school this semester. Now I have to get a part time job and postpone my educations for 3 weeks.
Being racially profiled is infact real, and unjust.
I don't think profiling or stereotyping is completely bad, or as bad as people make it seem.
Often time I find that there is a small amount of truth to stereotypes. I think it is smart to acknowledge the statistics for your own safety. If I had to travel through a notoriously black neighborhood, of course I would be more aware about what's going on around me. It's not that I hate blacks, I just want to be weary of a trend that statistics show. People complain so much about profiling and yet they don't seem to do much to help improve the image of their race or other group. Obviously it will take a lot of people to accomplish that, but there's no sense in whining about it if you're not trying to stop the problem. I'm also disgusted about how racism is interjected into a lot of things, such as court cases. To me it seems that some of the well known activists in the black community will often cry racism when a crime is done against a black. This seems to get a lot of people to believe that the crime was done out of racism. It's a disgusting way to spread their political agenda. I think we would be much better off if people formed their own opinions on a subject.
I don't support profiling or stereotyping, but I definitely do not think it's the worst thing. Like other things, when done in moderation could be to one's own benefit, as twisted as it might sound.
Well, how many people in this thread have actually experienced profiling/stereotyping?
Like, I would've thought that it's very easy to dismiss if it's something you haven't gone through.
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[QUOTE=mcbubba;41834901] If I had to travel through a notoriously black neighborhood, of course I would be more aware about what's going on around me.[/QUOTE]
I'm gonna address this because it caught my attention. To be careful around a notoriously [B]criminal[/B] neighbourhood is not profiling or stereotyping. But if you are saying that you are going to be more careful and aware because the neighbourhood you're walking through is known to have a lot of black people, then you are not only profiling and stereotyping. That's just racist, because it implies that black people are criminals.
The one main sterotype I can't stand (apart from race and religion sterotypes) is that people thinks that mac users are dumber then windows users which is not the as I have a friend who uses a macbook pro and he's quit intellegent an there also a few youtubers I know that uses macs are also quite smart!
[QUOTE=stargate660;42074281]The one main sterotype I can't stand (apart from race and religion sterotypes) is that people thinks that mac users are dumber then windows users which is not the as I have a friend who uses a macbook pro and he's quit intellegent an there also a few youtubers I know that uses macs are also quite smart![/QUOTE]
That's not exactly the same thing, as it poses no real issue, as racial and sexual profiling does.
Stereotypes exist for a reason. It's just a natural human thing to do. In the professional world though there is no reason for it because the person has already proved themselves and it's not like they will be a paedophile even if they look like one.
It depends, for police, racial profiling is unjust and unlawful. On a passive level, such as avoiding certain neighbourhoods at night, I would say that's just common sense. You can't argue with statistics, the majority of race crimes is black-on-white, though of course the police do exacerbate things with their paranoia and racism.
I think the problem with a lot of liberal thinking is rather than admitting that there are issues between races that need to be addressed, that the whole situation is not black and white (no pun intended) they instead pretend as though nothing is wrong, that if we act like its nothing then all our problems will go away.
Offending a black person is not the worst thing you can do, problems arise when you patronise or pretend to empathise whilst taking no real actions towards equality. (social justice on tumblr for example)
[QUOTE=jobizzle;42119697]It depends, for police, racial profiling is unjust and unlawful. On a passive level, such as avoiding certain neighbourhoods at night, I would say that's just common sense. You can't argue with statistics, the majority of race crimes is black-on-white, though of course the police do exacerbate things with their paranoia and racism.[/QUOTE]
I would need some quotation on this statement that the majority of race crimes is black on white.
[Quote]I think the problem with a lot of liberal thinking is rather than admitting that there are issues between races that need to be addressed, that the whole situation is not black and white (no pun intended) they instead pretend as though nothing is wrong, that if we act like its nothing then all our problems will go away.
Offending a black person is not the worst thing you can do, problems arise when you patronise or pretend to empathise whilst taking no real actions towards equality. (social justice on tumblr for example)[/Quote]
Some people think that ignoring will solve something. But that's just moronic. We can't ignore an issue and expect it to solve itself. Right wings doesn't want to handle the problem, or try to find why the problem came into effect, and that is arguably worse.
Even if minorities commit more crime, it's unjust to profile or stereotype, because profiling and stereotyping is only counterproductive to the problem. It's actually helping the problem to get worse.
[QUOTE=NightWig;42119903]I would need some quotation on this statement that the majority of race crimes is black on white.
Some people think that ignoring will solve something. But that's just moronic. We can't ignore an issue and expect it to solve itself. Right wings doesn't want to handle the problem, or try to find why the problem came into effect, and that is arguably worse.
Even if minorities commit more crime, it's unjust to profile or stereotype, because profiling and stereotyping is only counterproductive to the problem. It's actually helping the problem to get worse.[/QUOTE]
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Don't assume I am some kind of racist for bringing this up, as I said, this kind of thing is not 'black and white' despite how it may appear sometimes. There are other factors influencing crime that need to be adressed, however, I don't believe anyone deserves to be punished for unconsciously stereotyping in their head.
Profiling is good in some situations and bad in others. It basically boils down to this:
If a crime has been committed and someone fits the stereotype of the type of person that would commit a crime like that, then it is very reasonable to investigate it. This means that, [i]previous to the actual evidence[/i] it is useful to have some kind of 'correlation' between race/ economic status/ crime history/ etc.
However it turns bad [i]if you take it as actual evidence that the person committed the crime[/i].
I mean if you're looking specifically at racial profiling, I treat it the same way I treat affirmative action. If we're going to give you benefits solely because of your skin color or background, I see no reason why it can't go the other way too.
[QUOTE=matsta;42128032]Profiling is good in some situations and bad in others. It basically boils down to this:
If a crime has been committed and someone fits the stereotype of the type of person that would commit a crime like that, then it is very reasonable to investigate it. This means that, [i]previous to the actual evidence[/i] it is useful to have some kind of 'correlation' between race/ economic status/ crime history/ etc.
However it turns bad [i]if you take it as actual evidence that the person committed the crime[/i].[/QUOTE]
If there is a crime that has been committed and it's mostly done by someone of a certain race, you should still not use profiling or stereotyping in the investigation. If this is done, it will only make it harder to investigate due to the investigators searching only in this group, Then the criminal might go free, or have more time to commit another crime before he's arrested.
I see you added "crime history". That is not bad to take into question when it comes to crimes, because this person have done it before, so he's potentially able to do it again. It is a stereotype and profile, but not due to how they were born, but their choice in life.
[QUOTE=Zinayzen;42128796]I mean if you're looking specifically at racial profiling, I treat it the same way I treat affirmative action. If we're going to give you benefits solely because of your skin color or background, I see no reason why it can't go the other way too.[/QUOTE]
Racial profiling and affirmative action are each other's negatives. Where racial profiling created a problem, and strengthens racism, affirmative action is there to destroy a problem. It's not easy for minorities to get out of poverty, since they have a hard time getting jobs, so they are more likely to go into poverty. The reason they have a hard time getting jobs is [B]because of[/B] racial profiling, and thus they need a boost so they can survive.
The political cartoonist Clay Bennett made an excellent comic about affirmative action.
[IMG]http://www.claybennett.com/images/archivetoons/head_start.jpg[/IMG]
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