• Would you rather live in a patriarchy or matriarchy?
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[QUOTE=NicoleEmilid;41193727]Less than twenty percent. Too small to make a difference.[/QUOTE] I'd like a quote on the idea that women are better at ruling than men. If this is the case, then how did the first societies end up eventually turning into patriarchies?
[QUOTE=Shadaez;41202491]so the US, where the majority of the rulers are male isn't a Patriarchy (aka male is the primary authority figure)? It's a fact, sorry.[/QUOTE] He isn't in his position of power because of his gender and the system isn't setup so that women cannot take on his position. Hilary Clinton had the opportunity to run for his position of power during the Democrat primary. She lost because she was less popular. Our society also gives women plenty of special privileges and benefits such as affirmative action programs and special womens aid programs.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;41202620]He isn't in his position of power because of his gender and the system isn't setup so that women cannot take on his position. Hilary Clinton had the opportunity to run for his position of power during the Democrat primary. She lost because she was less popular. Our society also gives women plenty of special privileges and benefits such as affirmative action programs and special womens aid programs.[/QUOTE] That's cool, has nothing to do with the fact that the US, by definition, is patriarchal. It doesn't matter if we "chose" to be this way or not.
[QUOTE=Shadaez;41202491]so the US, where the majority of the rulers are male isn't a Patriarchy (aka male is the primary authority figure)? It's a fact, sorry.[/QUOTE] Just because men are in power does not make it a patriarchal society, nothing is stopping women from being in power, absolutely nothing. Women have just as much if not more power/say in society. You cannot say that we live in a patriarchy if it is that way EXCLUSIVELY due to how votes are cast; There are statistically more women than men, and therefore they have a larger voting power.
obv. equality is best but if i had to choose then patriarchy because i am a selfish white male.
[QUOTE=Shadaez;41202652]That's cool, has nothing to do with the fact that the US, by definition, is patriarchal. It doesn't matter if we "chose" to be this way or not.[/QUOTE] By definition? What does this even mean? Are you talking about how "All men are created equal" is part of the constitution? This phrase is applied to all of humanity in our modern age. There is no institutional discrimination against women in the United States on a federal level. Women have more power in the US since they're higher in population and generally live longer.
[QUOTE=NicoleEmilid;41193629]That would imply most, if not all, countries aren't patriarchs. Women are not only logical, but far less rash. We think things over while the men are so ready to go to war. If women ruled, we would less wars and less anguish. Things would get solved, instead of men comparing their cock size. Congress is a great example of this.[/QUOTE] No we're not. The amount of violence would probably remain roughly the same, while some of the conflict might be more cold than hot, the amount of it would still not be very different. Just in different forms. [QUOTE=Shadaez;41202491]so the US, where the majority of the rulers are male isn't a Patriarchy (aka male is the primary authority figure)? It's a fact, sorry.[/QUOTE] No it's not. It has possibily some inklings of a patriarchal society (men getting more promoted by other men) but that in itself doesn't make it a patriarchy. For it to be one, there would have to be society wide pressure and even state pressure to establish a rule preference for men. Starting with things hereditary rights, child care and many many other things. Hell one of the easiest ways to tell a strict patriarchy apart from a non-patriarchy is to see to which parent children are assigned more in case of divorce. If it's almost strictly the father, you're looking at a patriarchy. (in cases where it's either or more women you're looking at a more complex societal issue, in part because matriarchies are so rare)
[QUOTE=Shadaez;41202491]so the US, where the majority of the rulers are male isn't a Patriarchy (aka male is the primary authority figure)? It's a fact, sorry.[/QUOTE] yes, patriarchy and androcracy are totally the same thing
there's never been a true matriarchy other than a few weirdo tribes that all died out. Christianity is a patriarchy and has survived for a few thousand years now. History tells me that patriarchy is more sustainable.
I have a thought experiment sort of related to this, something that's been running through my head from time to time... What would happen if the majority of the world's male population (say 75%) was instantly wiped out? [sub][sub]Say for example that a group of scientists researching biological warfare creates an airborn virus that only targets men. It's used in war or it breeches contamination and spreads like wildfire, and only a few men are naturally immune or we find a vaccine only after a lot of the damage is done...[/sub][/sub] I find the idea entertaining since it asks the question of how would the world be ruled if women outnumbered men, there was a shortage of men for male dominated professions, and there would socially be less men available as partners. [sp]I can snip if you feel this is too much of a derailment[/sp]
[QUOTE=katbug;41202746]Just because men are in power does not make it a patriarchal society, nothing is stopping women from being in power, absolutely nothing. Women have just as much if not more power/say in society. You cannot say that we live in a patriarchy if it is that way EXCLUSIVELY due to how votes are cast; There are statistically more women than men, and therefore they have a larger voting power.[/QUOTE] It's not just about who is currently in charge. It is also how society portrays men and women. Men have always been a dominant force in most Western nations, Eastern too. Patriarchy is of course what I would prefer, as a man. It is the only logical choice to make in my position. However, what the OP said about matriarchy in how families work is often how divorced families work regardless. Women often take the children and give the father little interaction with them, at least in the worst of cases. Consider that as your taste of so-called matriarchy, if that's what you want to base the concept on.
Patriarchy stuff is a joke, people honestly believe that men control the world. Its pretty much conspiracy shit nonsense.
I don't see the need for either gender to dominate. We both have good and bad ideas and that's what we should judge our leaders on, not their biology.
[QUOTE=Simski;41207226]I have a thought experiment sort of related to this, something that's been running through my head from time to time... What would happen if the majority of the world's male population (say 75%) was instantly wiped out? [sub][sub]Say for example that a group of scientists researching biological warfare creates an airborn virus that only targets men. It's used in war or it breeches contamination and spreads like wildfire, and only a few men are naturally immune or we find a vaccine only after a lot of the damage is done...[/sub][/sub] I find the idea entertaining since it asks the question of how would the world be ruled if women outnumbered men, there was a shortage of men for male dominated professions, and there would socially be less men available as partners. [sp]I can snip if you feel this is too much of a derailment[/sp][/QUOTE] The population would stabilize again. It pretty much ends up with humans having a 50/50 (roughly) sex ratio. If you move out of that area, it drifts back soon enough. Of course, it could be possible to keep it artificially at those levels, but that would require eugenics for the Matriarchy to perpetuate itself.
Why would I want any of the two to prevail when the aim of a perfect society is based on equality for all?
[QUOTE=Kartoffel;41190253]-snip- whoops I'm going to have to go with Patriarchy. That is what society has used for the longest, and it works out rather well.[/QUOTE] Not really lol. The patriarchy negatively affects both women AND men. Not just because men are usually the one in power, but because a patriarchal society puts social pressure on both men and women equally. For men, ever been told to "be a man?" Ever been mocked for having "girly hair?" Ever been made fun of for not being strong, or being skinny or something? And women, ever been asked if you were "dead/sick" when not wearing makeup? Ever been pressured by the media, newspapers, what have you, to look or behave a certain way? Ever been barred from doing something because you're a girl, like sports or something? That's the kind of pressure that's been smooshed into every crevice of our society for centuries, to the point where it's crazy to think of a world without this mindset. The perfect society would be one that would elect its leaders based on their abilities and ideas, not their gender. Gender may matter when referring to childbearing or fucking, but society has reached the point where it DOESN'T FUCKING and SHOULDN'T FUCKING matter. Why? Women can do what men can do, and vice versa. The ability to bear children or shit cum out of your dick only matters if you want to have a child in a typical straight relationship, nothing else, except for maternity leave or something like that. For the sake of my argument I am referring to just cis people, in case you're wondering.
Me, personally, would rather live in a Patriarchal society. It has been around longer, and it worked decently. Also the fact that I am indeed a male myself. Either way, ideally, the way society is now is alright by me, if I do say so myself.
Neither. Both systems are designed to create oppression, especially depending on the social context of their rule. Preferably I would rather live in a society where gender is meaningless and has no baring on rule :v:.
Is it possible to have a Tranvestiarchy?
lol at the crippling feminists saying that the patriarchy's top male is ~toxic~ it doesn't matter if it's a patriarchy or matriarchy, as long as he/she runs the place well
I don't think gender should be a deciding factor on who gets to be the leader. It should be down to the individual. Patriarchy has worked for the past however long society has used it. And yes from a psychological standpoint men tend to be better leaders than women due to statistics that suggest men act more rationally and are not driven by emotion as easily, but that does not stand true for every single person. So I think that gender should not be a deciding factor for selecting leaders, it should be down to the individual.
[QUOTE=Brod Ster;41587634]I don't think gender should be a deciding factor on who gets to be the leader. It should be down to the individual. Patriarchy has worked for the past however long society has used it. And yes from a psychological standpoint men tend to be better leaders than women due to statistics that suggest men act more rationally and are not driven by emotion as easily, but that does not stand true for every single person. So I think that gender should not be a deciding factor for selecting leaders, it should be down to the individual.[/QUOTE] You're forgetting that the "men are more rational by average" thing was debunked years ago. Sex of a person has no effect on their rationality.
Patriarchy, why ? because its better
Patriarchy as a concept has never been a conspiracy of sorts. It's largelt based around cultural traditions that move from generation to generation. And any unequality should be fought. It's not even a leftist thing. It's not about leveling out people to some uniform mass, as much a leveling out the playing field. I can't help but feel that the feminist movement in general is widely misunderstood. Possibly because of some loud big-mouthed nutjobs who regard themselves as feminists. And please don't reduce the movement into something lesser because of its name. It has never been about women sieging power or any other nonesense. Any unequality should be fought, weather it be based on gender, race or whatever. Sexism an discrimination based upon gender didn't end with universal suffrage, neither did racism. So please, please, please don't be content with society as it is. It will never be perfect but let us at least try to make the best of it. As it is now we males definitely got the better of it. [editline]26th July 2013[/editline] Oh and I guess I'd go for partiarchy if I HAD to choose. Only logical choice for a male.
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