Photo Offtopic Thread v 1.8 2013.02 - General

[QUOTE=Foosili;45546781]But t-rog, what about medium format and large format?[/QUOTE] Great formats, and I recommend them. At the same time however, I don't shoot anything to really require the larger format. For consumer level (or advanced AM) shooting medium formats are very expensive per shot. The film costs more, as does the development. MF films are going to lose some ground to FF sensors in the next few years in terms of landscape style photography. With the A7r and Nikon D800e you are able to extract a level of detail that is startlingly similar to that of a 6x9 format, despite the resolution differences (the FF sensors resolve more detail per inch as the pixels are smaller than the film grains). It won't come as quickly, but MF film will eventually have the same disadvantages that I consider for 35mm. It's just a matter of technological advancements.

You make is sound as if film is dead already.

I love my a7, but I will never stop using film. I leave my a7 at home in favor of my x700 often. The lab near me does an excellent job of scanning my film (I haven't purchased prints in years) I really prefer my film to digital, and I guess it's up to the fact that when I go out with my film cameras, I get better shots then my digital. Almost all of my personal favorite photos of mine are film. There's also a sea of film cameras to sift through, pro grade stuff that's lost value with age, stuff I can afford. I say, long live analogue.

[QUOTE=.Lain;45544388]??? you get grain instead[/QUOTE] Yeah, I know. Didn't mention it though because grain looks much nicer than digital noise imo.

[QUOTE=notlabbet;45547039]I love my a7, but I will never stop using film. I leave my a7 at home in favor of my x700 often. The lab near me does an excellent job of scanning my film (I haven't purchased prints in years) I really prefer my film to digital, and I guess it's up to the fact that when I go out with my film cameras, I get better shots then my digital. Almost all of my personal favorite photos of mine are film. There's also a sea of film cameras to sift through, pro grade stuff that's lost value with age, stuff I can afford. I say, long live analogue.[/QUOTE] I gotta agree with you. In the end of the day, we're back at square one - it's down to personal taste. Trog, maybe go get your film scanned at a lab - I don't think it's fair to denounce film just because digital is more convenient.

since getting ff i've not shot 35mm

I really prefer shooting film over digital lately, but that might be because I'm still learning so its useful; and feels good to accurately assume the shot settings of a room

[QUOTE=Foosili;45546830]tbh im thinking of buying a view camera, I really enjoyed working with one when I tried one last semester.[/QUOTE] Owning one is certainly unique - a hassle in a lot of ways but they can be rewarding. I use a folding field camera and would suggest the same.

5DMKII broke. now only shoot 35mm

Holy shit today has been pretty hectic. So I was planning on going to the beach today, just by holywell where there is a lovely roman garden and when the tides out, you can get some great shots of the beach. But the local pier was caught alight and has been burning still since around 3pm. Took so many photos today of the pier burning as well as some shots of the beach. [IMG]https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/t1.0-9/1908020_10201535111899714_1689393467489799431_n.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/t1.0-9/10352830_10201535111819712_6313638336725431206_n.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/t1.0-9/10347479_10201535112619732_1756596420062591467_n.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=BlazeFresh;45547920]5DMKII broke.[/QUOTE] Man, I feel for you. 5D's are amazing, had an opportunity to take some photos with one when I was working alongside this well known journalist for our local newspaper. Really cool guy

[QUOTE=BlazeFresh;45547920]5DMKII broke. now only shoot 35mm[/QUOTE] kind of in the same boat here, I've got a stubborn speck of dust on my DSLR so I'm ditching the crop sensor and getting myself a decent 35mm flatbed scanner [editline]31st July 2014[/editline] the only downside is having to add 2 to 3 days to my workflow because of negative development unless I shoot BnW and get my own development gear.

[QUOTE=Stopper;45546946]You make is sound as if film is dead already.[/QUOTE] Film is dying and quite rapidly. DSLR's have been out for 9 years, and look at how rapidly the face of cameras have changed since then. It's really not a matter of will it die, it's a matter of when. Just the way tech rolls.

[QUOTE=BlazeFresh;45547920]5DMKII broke. now only shoot 35mm[/QUOTE] What happened? I've got a spare 60D if you want to use it for a while

taking this out of the CPT: [QUOTE=bopie;45542288]My Holy Grail would be using a photo to show something uniquely remarkable[/QUOTE] what exactly would you define as uniquely remarkable? does it have to be something such as a new phenomenon that has not yet been documented? what is it that drives you to strive for this? is it fame/recognition? contribution to society/humanity?

[QUOTE=Trogdon;45548601]Film is dying and quite rapidly. DSLR's have been out for 9 years, and look at how rapidly the face of cameras have changed since then. It's really not a matter of will it die, it's a matter of when. Just the way tech rolls.[/QUOTE] I can't wait for when I can go to a carboot sale, and pick up a canon 6D for £9.

[QUOTE=Trogdon;45548601]Film is dying and quite rapidly. DSLR's have been out for 9 years, and look at how rapidly the face of cameras have changed since then. It's really not a matter of will it die, it's a matter of when. Just the way tech rolls.[/QUOTE] I don't think that's right. Yes, popularity is fading. Yes, digital is easier/convinient/etc. Like with any other hobby there will still be a load of people who do it for some reason. Film cameras are really cheap and accessible. I can't drop 2 large ones on a good DSLR and probably won't be able to for the conceivable future. I'd rather shoot film than use my phone or another low quality digital camera which offers me much less control and arguably a worse result. But that's just me. What about the loads of photography students who do it just for the kicks? Or the hobbyists? Or the older photographers who never made the switch? My points is - yeah, it has slowed down considerably, but it won't just roll over and die. Maybe that's wishful thinking on my part, but eh. Each time I go to the local studio I get a bit of reaffirmation that I'm at least partially right. Their developing schedule is usually so full that people have to wait >2 days to get their negatives. And that's just one lab out of the dozens here. And I know that the companies that make film have slowly been phasing it out, but there's still places that make it - new types of film have been released to replace discontinued ones. For each extinct film, there's another one to fill the niche. I'm rambling a bit here, but as a last ditch argument - books are still printed on paper despite the abundance, convenience and ease of access of digital media. Just food for thought.

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[QUOTE=FlippR;45547623]Owning one is certainly unique - a hassle in a lot of ways but they can be rewarding. I use a folding field camera and would suggest the same.[/QUOTE] So something like a Graflex? Which one do you use?

My boss told me today that Kodak doesn't make film anymore and that all the portra and ektar and tmax is just leftover warehouse stuff. That's not right, is it?

[QUOTE=Stopper;45548892]I don't think that's right. Yes, popularity is fading. Yes, digital is easier/convinient/etc. Like with any other hobby there will still be a load of people who do it for some reason. Film cameras are really cheap and accessible. I can't drop 2 large ones on a good DSLR and probably won't be able to for the conceivable future. I'd rather shoot film than use my phone or another low quality digital camera which offers me much less control and arguably a worse result. But that's just me. What about the loads of photography students who do it just for the kicks? Or the hobbyists? Or the older photographers who never made the switch? My points is - yeah, it has slowed down considerably, but it won't just roll over and die. Maybe that's wishful thinking on my part, but eh. Each time I go to the local studio I get a bit of reaffirmation that I'm at least partially right. Their developing schedule is usually so full that people have to wait >2 days to get their negatives. And that's just one lab out of the dozens here. And I know that the companies that make film have slowly been phasing it out, but there's still places that make it - new types of film have been released to replace discontinued ones. For each extinct film, there's another one to fill the niche. I'm rambling a bit here, but as a last ditch argument - books are still printed on paper despite the abundance, convenience and ease of access of digital media. Just food for thought.[/QUOTE] it will effectively die eventually. that's what trog is saying not that it's just gonna disappear of the face of the earth, but that it's going to be such a small market that it's effectively going to be ignored. as sensor technology advances digital cameras are going to get cheaper and cheaper, and the benefits of film will shrink and yes, physical reading media is fading ever so slowly. newspapers are becoming much less common as they're replaced with web content. the same isn't happening with books to such a degree, but i guarantee it will eventually

Sometimes when I go past this place where we'd take our photos to be developed, I get kind of sad. There was something about going out and taking photos and the wait to see the results.

[QUOTE=.Lain;45549116]it will effectively die eventually. that's what trog is saying not that it's just gonna disappear of the face of the earth, but that it's going to be such a small market that it's effectively going to be ignored. as sensor technology advances digital cameras are going to get cheaper and cheaper, and the benefits of film will shrink and yes, physical reading media is fading ever so slowly. newspapers are becoming much less common as they're replaced with web content. the same isn't happening with books to such a degree, but i guarantee it will eventually[/QUOTE] Yeah, it [I]will[/I] die eventually, but not in the conceivable future, is what I think. It might be a while, and that's just fine. [editline]31st July 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=notlabbet;45549106]My boss told me today that Kodak doesn't make film anymore and that all the portra and ektar and tmax is just leftover warehouse stuff. That's not right, is it?[/QUOTE] It's not and it couldn't be true. Faster professional films (like Portra 800 which is still sold and you can order in bulk) don't have a really long shelf life, so they couldn't be just leftovers.

[QUOTE=Foosili;45549067]So something like a Graflex? Which one do you use?[/QUOTE] Wista 45DX [editline]30th July 2014[/editline] Graflex look cool, I've never used one though. They seem limited as far as movements go.

[QUOTE=FlippR;45549324]Wista 45DX [editline]30th July 2014[/editline] Graflex look cool, I've never used one though. They seem limited as far as movements go.[/QUOTE] In my research they are actually pretty limited, the front element is the only thing with movements. I'll look into a Wista 45DX, but the Graflex cameras seemed awesome because of how light and portable they are in comparison to most view cameras.

[QUOTE=notlabbet;45547039]I love my a7, but I will never stop using film. I leave my a7 at home in favor of my x700 often. The lab near me does an excellent job of scanning my film (I haven't purchased prints in years) I really prefer my film to digital, and I guess it's up to the fact that when I go out with my film cameras, I get better shots then my digital. Almost all of my personal favorite photos of mine are film. There's also a sea of film cameras to sift through, pro grade stuff that's lost value with age, stuff I can afford. I say, long live analogue.[/QUOTE] I love your film photos, but if you leave your a7 at home so often how can you know it wouldn't have taken a better photo in any particular instance? General argument: Film is fun for sure, but like Roll said with dynamics and Trog said with pixel density and size and science, the technical advantages of film are diminishing. All that will be left are color and contrast characteristics, which can be emulated pretty well with vsco and other custom presets. It's weird for me to argue this because some of my favorite recent movies like the grand budapest and django unchained were shot on film, and some of my favorite photos from this forum were shot on film, like uber noob in the yellow flower field, but film will eventually fade away into obscurity. When everyone who experienced the twilight years of film photography as the standard finally passes, there will be too few people legitimately interested in film for it to survive. By that, I mean there will be no one left to manufacture or process it. I suppose it's possible that people who are heavily invested in and concerned with history could make their own film, and home development is obviously already a thing... Now I'm just rambling. What I mean is that eventually (probably not long after today's teenagers die) film will go the way of the telegram: found mostly in museums. Books are different though, I don't think that's a fair comparison.

I guess its just luck, thats all i can call it. i take 300 photos with my a7 i get 4 usable ones, i use my Minolta, and i get 4 unusable ones. Its just how it works out for me. [editline]30th July 2014[/editline] i usually bring both with me, or my a7 and a film point and shoot.

[QUOTE=MoarFunz;45385953]Hoping we'll withdraw out of the border soon, people here are getting real tired & moody.[/QUOTE] Starting to worry about you mate, plz respond. [editline]31st July 2014[/editline] Did some digging and found your facebook (sorry!) glad to see you're okay. [sp]Posted 21 hours ago that he hasn't had a phone, if anyone was wondering.[/sp]

Holy shit score. I'm going on a roadtrip Approx.Route: [url]https://www.google.de/maps/dir/Kiel/Vr%C3%A1ble,+Slowakei/Bansko,+Bulgarien/Milet+Museum,+Balat+K%C3%B6y%C3%BC,+Didim+Merkez%2FAydin,+T%C3%BCrkei/@45.5817361,11.0070669,5z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m26!4m25!1m5!1m1!1s0x47b2560d8fee97ad:0x4248963c6580320!2m2!1d10.1227652!2d54.3232927!1m5!1m1!1s0x476b223a5a8a9d41:0x5ef9a2c47b442053!2m2!1d18.3082017!2d48.2437311!1m5!1m1!1s0x14abaeb946493c25:0xd6b0eaa049fe85c7!2m2!1d23.485653!2d41.8404241!1m5!1m1!1s0x14be9b78dbf76e99:0xb62b266834175e2!2m2!1d27.274577!2d37.53016!3e0[/url] Tchec Republic, Slovakia, Hungary, Serbia or Romania, Bulgaria, Turkey The best part: I'm with a scientific project, it's fully paid The bad part: I'm not allowed to work in Turkey :V [editline]31st July 2014[/editline] So stoked

nice one, why not Turkey though?