Fair, I'm just saying its not [i]needed[/i] like cueball said. It's totally do-able.
will a FF or crop sensor get a faster shutter speed on the same lens in the same light or is there no difference
my inclination is to say it will get a faster shutter speed because bigger sensor surface area but i'm probably wrong
thats what I thought but then a smaller sensor needs less light in the first place because less area
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so i figure there is no diff
does a larger sheet of film "soak in" more light? yes, but only because the area is larger. the light isn't any more "dense." I think that answers your question
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i'm sure someone else can explain that better and in terms of digital also
I hate film photographers remorse. When you take a picture and it made perfect sense to you when you pressed the shutter but a second after that you start regretting it.
Size does not matter. You will get the same exposure across the board.
Yes, you technically need 'more light' to expose a larger sheet of film (or larger sensor) but it evens out because as your medium gets larger, so does the image the circle the lens needs to project (thus larger lenses)
The only reason things like large format need longer exposures are because the lenses needed to project that large of an image can't be practically made with a reasonable price. 5.6 is fast on large format.
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[QUOTE=Desuh;43276302]I hate film photographers remorse. When you take a picture and it made perfect sense to you when you pressed the shutter but a second after that you start regretting it.[/QUOTE]
Tha #struggle. This happens to me even with digital. A lot of times I'll shoot a fleeting moment, and with manual focus I get a lot of missed images, but I'm getting better at it slowly. It's a skill you can improve, don't be disheartened.
Rereading I guess you're talking more about feeling like you took something that wasn't worth the cost of the film it was shot on. This is completely normal and it's good for you, don't regret it. Learn from those mistakes. Everyone says digital people overshoot, but I've read about guys shooting upwards of 20,000 shots on 35mm over a month or two, only to come back with 10 useable ones, even in the 60's.
Most of us are at a point where we should really be using, abusing and wasting gear, burning up film on dumm shit.
[url=https://medium.com/better-humans/3bc2b16fe3f5]Give this a read.[/url]
[QUOTE=bopie;43276305]Size does not matter. You will get the same exposure across the board.
Yes, you technically need 'more light' to expose a larger sheet of film (or larger sensor) but it evens out because as your medium gets larger, so does the image the circle the lens needs to project (thus larger lenses)
The only reason things like large format need longer exposures are because the lenses needed to project that large of an image can't be practically made with a reasonable price. 5.6 is fast on large format.
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this is what I had meant basically
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[QUOTE=Desuh;43276302]I hate film photographers remorse. When you take a picture and it made perfect sense to you when you pressed the shutter but a second after that you start regretting it.[/QUOTE]
I don't experience this; at least not until I've actually seen the photo. Then I regret it
[QUOTE=bopie;43276305]
[url=https://medium.com/better-humans/3bc2b16fe3f5]Give this a read.[/url][/QUOTE]
Interesting read thanks.
just found out asda missed off one of my films from the scanning process and didn't give it to me, angry
[QUOTE=bopie;43276305]Size does not matter. You will get the same exposure across the board.
Yes, you technically need 'more light' to expose a larger sheet of film (or larger sensor) but it evens out because as your medium gets larger, so does the image the circle the lens needs to project (thus larger lenses)
The only reason things like large format need longer exposures are because the lenses needed to project that large of an image can't be practically made with a reasonable price. 5.6 is fast on large format.
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Tha #struggle. This happens to me even with digital. A lot of times I'll shoot a fleeting moment, and with manual focus I get a lot of missed images, but I'm getting better at it slowly. It's a skill you can improve, don't be disheartened.
Rereading I guess you're talking more about feeling like you took something that wasn't worth the cost of the film it was shot on. This is completely normal and it's good for you, don't regret it. Learn from those mistakes. Everyone says digital people overshoot, but I've read about guys shooting upwards of 20,000 shots on 35mm over a month or two, only to come back with 10 useable ones, even in the 60's.
Most of us are at a point where we should really be using, abusing and wasting gear, burning up film on dumm shit.
[url=https://medium.com/better-humans/3bc2b16fe3f5]Give this a read.[/url][/QUOTE]
I agree completely.
[QUOTE=bopie;43276054]Disagree on the [i]need[/i] bit. Yeah there's a bit of a $$ barrier to a low light capable body, but fast primes can be had for cheap, and even entry level bodies are pushing massive ISO's these days. And then for video you're shooting what, 1/30? Shouldn't be too hard here in late 2013. (If you can't afford a newer xxD and a 50 1.8, you probably aren't getting paid for whatever you're doing, and are just being a nuisance with your flash.)
I generally never had to go above 8000 because at that point cellphones and even candles will illuminate the scene enough. I know this is more gear-thread-talk, but the discussion is here.
[url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/steveotto/8775395243/]This[/url] was probably the darkest venue (most places i go to are clubs actually, not fully lit gigs) I've been to. Shot at 16000, but my shutter was up at 1/100 at 1.6. Easily could have been 6400 with 1.4 at 1/50. Whole scene lit with a few candles + a dim light bulb or two, and the big glare is someone's iphone.
Just my two cents.[/QUOTE]
hmm tbh i've just seen the club shots and accepted that a nice soft flash and shit is what you need, i never really considered pushing iso past an accepted level and just dealing it out in post. i guess the flash is just for convenience, since you want enough dof to get in people okay, high enough shutter to freeze their motion post flash and maybe get some colours in and a low enough iso to avoid noise.
i'm talking about the people paid to go round and photograph people for the club btw, not the cunts who stoat about ruining gigs.
i dunno, i guess i need to experiment a bit
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[QUOTE=bopie;43276305]
Tha #struggle. This happens to me even with digital. A lot of times I'll shoot a fleeting moment, and with manual focus I get a lot of missed images, but I'm getting better at it slowly. It's a skill you can improve, don't be disheartened.
Rereading I guess you're talking more about feeling like you took something that wasn't worth the cost of the film it was shot on. This is completely normal and it's good for you, don't regret it. Learn from those mistakes. Everyone says digital people overshoot, but I've read about guys shooting upwards of 20,000 shots on 35mm over a month or two, only to come back with 10 useable ones, even in the 60's.
[B]Most of us are at a point where we should really be using, abusing and wasting gear, burning up film on dumm shit.
[/B]
[url=https://medium.com/better-humans/3bc2b16fe3f5]Give this a read.[/url][/QUOTE]
this, good read as well
so being that i am not even 16 yet I have to pick something to do this summer. which would be better for photography, paris or florence & venice?
florence is the best city
[QUOTE=notlabbet;43279204]florence is the best city[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I did a trip there this july and we landed there and left as soon as we were out of the airport and i was like :(
its just perfect
you got the tiny cars, everything is close to everything, unlike rome, and its not so played out, like venice (even tho venice is dope)
good food, art, sights (cool gardens) tiny cars, its the best
[QUOTE=Zeemlapje;43267277]Ughhh flash just completely ruins the whole atmosphere that's been set up by the light specialists.[/QUOTE]
i think it can work out in some scenarios.
[img]http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5458/8763188545_f0d93c70ba_z.jpg[/img]
here, i took a shot of TTNG's guitarist w/o flash, and of course, the atmosphere was present.
[img]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7425/8763190583_764a353ebe_c.jpg[/img]
here, i used flash, and i don't think i destroyed the atmosphere at all. i think it just depends on how you use the flash.
[QUOTE=Dvorak231;43272718]Using flash in an environment where there's plenty of great "natural" light provided by the venue/stage lighting is a big no no, you instantly look very unprofessional [b]and it's distracting to those performing.[/b] In some bigger venues using flash is banned completely and will get you blacklisted from taking photos there.
also shots with the stage lighting will nearly always look better, although occasionally you might encounter a venue with absolutely atrocious lighting and you have no choice[/QUOTE]
i agree with that, i was getting a lot of rude stares when i popped the shot of the guitarist using my flash.
[img]http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3682/11511735663_36bdd8c4c2_c.jpg[/img]
Stolen from a photoshop contest thread:
1. Cut out something from a picture so that it has a transparent background (like an exploitable).
2. Select the area around the cutout. (Ctrl+Click the layer thumbnail, Ctrl+Shift+I to inverse select)
3. Go to Edit->Fill->Use Content Aware.
4. Post result here!
i dont have content aware
im using photoshop cs2
[QUOTE=notlabbet;43281394]i dont have content aware
im using photoshop cs2[/QUOTE]
I am so sorry
I have asked for a replacement charger for my old canon 350d that I forgot I had for Christmas. Going to start photography all over again, and I cannot wait, the excitement is killing me. :dance:
Beautiful. Just got my roll back and the shot I was looking forward to the most is missing for whatever reason.
[img]http://s22.postimg.org/f3l2r63y9/holidays.jpg[/img]
I think I have enough BnW film for the holidays. I'm curious about the Neopan Acros I'm thinking of pushing it to 400.
Currently processing my roll of TX400 and I am content with almost every image which is good I guess but I don't want to spam the photo thread with like 30 images. What do.
Spam film thread, it needs more content :))
Don't spam any thread.
Because it's not spam.
I'm definitely on Desuh's mailing list.
post it in bursts of two images a time, like a slow release hit
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