Lets be honest though
regardless of how much anyone thinks he's overreacting or if the game should be banned
if you were in his exact position there is no way you wouldn't also be pissed
I like how he lists "email avalanche" as an option while telling people not to do it. I hope he knows that telling people not to do it will result in them wanting to do it more.
As for this whole situation, it's pretty shitty. I'm willing to bet it's probably because Twitch just lumps the game into the whole "Anime Sexual VN" category, and is unwilling to budge on its stance of removing games from that category. Especially since, if Yandere Simulator gets unbanned, then other people will try to get games like the Sakura series unbanned because "Yandere Simulator was unbanned, so why can't this game?"
Ideally, I'd just prefer if there were no games banned from Twitch. However, they're probably scared of "controversial content" driving away their ad providers, so I doubt that's ever going to happen.
[QUOTE=Rahu X;51713108]I like how he lists "email avalanche" as an option while telling people not to do it. I hope he knows that telling people not to do it will result in them wanting to do it more.[/QUOTE]
yeah im fairly sure he knows that
if it happens and works he can go "im sorry i even told them not to"
he gets what he wants without looking bad
[QUOTE=Naota1248;51713082]Yandere Dev is a goddamn artist. He's developing a game basically by himself[/QUOTE]
he's pretty much an ideas guy and other people did bulk of the work for him but sure dude
He's probably right about the "anime bias" thing
Twitch took one look and thought "Oh god not another hentai game"
[QUOTE=mchapra;51713115]he's pretty much an ideas guy and other people did bulk of the work for him but sure dude[/QUOTE]
First I've heard of this...?
[QUOTE=Naota1248;51713082]Yandere Dev is a goddamn artist. He's developing a game basically by himself, and Twitch is screwing him out of potential publicity. I hate how he's pretty much broadcasting a call to arms, but really, I'd be pissed too. Clearly he's made effort to ask about the content might be making his game inappropriate for streaming purposes, but he hasn't gotten any feedback. I understand that Twitch has to mediate content that can be lewd and considered (or is literally) pornographic, but this game is basically a niche HITMAN(TM) with heavy anime influences. All of the reasons he came up with for his game being restricted are grasping at straws, because that is literally all that he has been left with...[/QUOTE]
For an artist he really slacks off when doing video games. And he's not mostly doing all by himself, there are contributors for his work too.
[video=youtube;NbQkf10LBnA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbQkf10LBnA[/video]
"Poor guy he's overworked"
"The E-mails are tiring him out!"
Yandere Dev doesn't realize you can get user interaction and feedback by other means of not reading every single email you get, if you're popular you're bound to get filled with emails and private messages. It's like if a YouTuber complained about people filling his notifications box cause apparently he wants to read every single one of them.
And apparently he wastes so much time doing so because he wants to find people who can help him with professional voice acting and other shit like that. You don't do this by reading through your emails, you do this by hiring someone. You're trying to find gold on a sea of garbage.
It's also the excuse he uses for apparently how sluggish the development for his game is. "YandereDev gets too much e-mail! Sending YandereDev an e-mail will slow down the game's development!". How has he not seen the problem here and fixed it after so many years.
[QUOTE=Naota1248;51713129]First I've heard of this...?[/QUOTE]
He's a programmer. Everybody else makes the assets.
[QUOTE=Naota1248;51713129]First I've heard of this...?[/QUOTE]
He constantly shilled and tried to recruit people on /v/ and /vg/ over the years for several projects, I believe he went by exaphon back then and has always been a massive sperg bordering on ideas guy. I'm only repeating the claims and what I've seen in screen grabs about him from the gamedev general on /vg/ over the years so take this with a massive grain of salt.
Regardless, twitch should not resort to singling a game like this when I can easily stream GalGun Double Peace (and actually have) without consequence.
[QUOTE=Naota1248;51713129]First I've heard of this...?[/QUOTE]
He hasn't really made any of the assets himself.
He comes up with the ideas, and he does the programming. He gets assets from volunteers, or even the Unity asset store in some cases.
And honestly, I don't see that as a terrible thing. That's how game development usually works. It's rare to see just one or two developers making everything from scratch without some help. There are definitely some notable exceptions, but most indie games are made by groups of people with different specialties.
He's definitely lucky to have actual volunteers though, instead of people wanting cuts of any potential profits. It means that basically any of the money he gets from his Patreon goes back to just him, so he's able to to focus on the game without having to have a side job.
It's weird. Part of me wants to see Yandere Simulator succeed, but part of me expects it to fail at some point.
[QUOTE=mchapra;51713161]He constantly shilled and tried to recruit people on /v/ and /vg/ over the years for several projects, I believe he went by exaphon back then and has always been a massive sperg bordering on ideas guy. I'm only repeating the claims and what I've seen in screen grabs about him from the gamedev general on /vg/ over the years so take this with a massive grain of salt.
Regardless, twitch should not resort to singling a game like this when I can easily stream GalGun Double Peace (and actually have) without consequence.[/QUOTE]
The only thing that sticks out in my mind is when he essentially threw a tantrum over Mike Z (lead developer of Skullgirls/Indivisible) not liking his early prototype of a fighting game made in Unity. Instead of listening to Mike's criticisms, he kept coming up with excuses.
However, he has said that he reflected on that event, and said that he was stupid to act that way. He even talked to Mike Z again afterward to apologize, and apparently, Mike Z game him some great advice concerning game development.
[QUOTE=Asaratha;51713158]programmer = ideas guy now i guess?[/QUOTE]
I never said that?
the game has strong vibes of eliot rogers/school shooter fantasy, just with the typical genders reversed. pretty distinct from kratos ripping off someone's head or the ridiculous cartoon depictions of south park
game wise I think it's valid, it looks more like a hitman game than anything else(?), and a lot of people don't mind the edgy subject matter, but can this guy really not figure out why a company with a strong public presence would want to distance themselves from it? nah, I'm sure they just got grossed out by the anime style or it's an SJW conspiracy
[QUOTE=Asaratha;51713170]making such a confident claim then in your next post, at the end tacking on "but take this with a massive grain of salt" doesn't really help you. either way, he does programming for the game, so he is literally not the definition of an ideas guy.[/QUOTE]
I'll admit I was getting ahead of myself, sorry. What I meant was that he's not a one man dev team, he has had a lot of help from others.
[QUOTE=SenhorCreeper;51713141]-legitimate argument-[/QUOTE]
Yeah, he spends a lot of time making videos and building a following, but developing a video game is a very time consuming process that involves more than just thinking of gameplay concepts
[QUOTE=Ott;51713154]He's a programmer. Everybody else makes the assets.[/QUOTE]
I've never heard of someone that is talented enough to code a game AND make all of the visual/audio assets. Maybe I'm just being optimistic, but I would like to believe that his contributors will get credit and compensation for their hard work!
[QUOTE=Naota1248;51713183]I've never heard of someone that is talented enough to code a game AND make all of the visual/audio assets. Maybe I'm just being optimistic, but I would like to believe that his contributors will get credit and compensation for their hard work![/QUOTE]
papers, please? spelunky? cave story? another world? dust an elysian tale? banished?
[QUOTE=Naota1248;51713183]Yeah, he spends a lot of time making videos and building a following, but developing a video game is a very time consuming process that involves more than just thinking of gameplay concepts[/QUOTE]
but the thing that irks me is that he's the main guy here, the leader of the bunch, the main gear.
If he starts focusing on different things like emails and user interaction where he is supposed to be coding and leading his team, It'll slow down the development a lot. Think of it as a big clock, where inside the clocks there are the gears which makes the clock move. If one gear starts to malfunction and stop, pretty much all the gears will stop too, effectively stopping the clock from doing it's thing.
[editline]23rd January 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=BeardyDuck;51713193]papers, please? spelunky? cave story? another world? dust an elysian tale? banished?[/QUOTE]
Don't forget LISA
[QUOTE=SenhorCreeper;51713194]but the thing that irks me is that he's the main guy here, the leader of the bunch, the main gear.
If he starts focusing on different things like emails and user interaction where he is supposed to be coding and leading his team, It'll slow down the development a lot. Think of it as a big clock, where inside the clocks there are the gears which makes the clock move. If one gear starts to malfunction and stop, pretty much all the gears will stop too, effectively stopping the clock from doing it's thing.[/QUOTE]
To be fair he spends a lot of time doing minor things while he waits for the animations.
The main argument I have against this video is his game is very CONTROVERSIAL. Which is usually a good thing for a game, because people will talk about something that is as "unique" as Yandere Sim is. The problems he is having with Twitch will not affect 90% plus of anyone else that develops a game, because they're probably going to be focusing on gameplay elements that aren't quite as dark and taboo.
[editline]asdf[/editline][QUOTE=BeardyDuck;51713193]papers, please? spelunky? cave story? another world? dust an elysian tale? banished?[/QUOTE]
Fair points, and at the risk of furthering the idea that Yandere Dev is just an "ideas guy", I feel like he kind of has a much bigger perspective of what all the game should entail. Whether or not he can accomplish these is a different story, but all of those didn't really have a big replayability hook. Not that a lack of replayability makes a game bad, just a totally different challenge.
Also, while looking up the whole Yandere Dev vs. Mike Z thing, I came across [URL="https://prettyuglylittleliar.net/topic/1896-yanderedev-evaxephon/"]this lengthy post.[/URL]
At the very least, I hope this sort of behavior is behind him, but time will tell.
If the game comes out and is a success, then great. I may even pick it up. If it fails, then we'll have some ideas why. After all, an opinion on a game should always be tied to the game itself, not how the developers of the games go about their lives. Art being separated from the artist and all that jazz.
At first the game seemed funny, and could of had some fun gameplay; but the further it goes it just gets creepier and more about stuffing his fetishes in than an actual game. Someone sent me a bit where he was detailing a system to kidnap rivals and torture and sexually assault them at your whim in your basement. You'd have to be daft to complain about that not being allowed on twitch.
Twitch doesn't allow games that are rated AO, and games that would be rated AO if they bothered to get an ESRB rating. YouTube doesn't allow porn or explicit violence (like jihadist beheadings).
I don't see why this is a surprise. If they're being inconsistent about their policy, rip them for that, but disallowing kawaii classmate murder simulator seems pretty straightforward to me.
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[QUOTE=dannyketch;51713318]All this guy did for months was bitch and moan about getting e-mails and how hard it is to make games when people keep e-mailing him.
Now he makes an 18 minute video (!!!) about people comparing his game to a rape simulator and SJW's.
This guy is out of touch and a total fucking loser. I hope the game never see's the light of day.[/QUOTE]
he actually has been doing quite a bit work, particularly under the hood since his early code was hilariously unoptimized
look at earlier builds of the game and then the later ones, you see steady fps improvements.
I am no game dev, but I spent enough of time with hammer editor for various source games to come to the realization of how much work game development is.
I barely scratched the surface of it yet I can see how hard it is
[QUOTE=da space core;51713327]he actually has been doing quite a bit work, particularly under the hood since his early code was hilariously unoptimized
look at earlier builds of the game and then the later ones, you see steady fps improvements.
I am no game dev, but I spent enough of time with hammer editor for various source games to come to the realization of how much work game development is.
I barely scratched the surface of it yet I can see how hard it is[/QUOTE]
Oh I definitely agree with that. I personally couldn't code a game at all, I respect that about him.
But his whining gets on my nerves a lot.
This is terrible, when your company is so big it owns most of the marketshare you can't just say "it's their platform and they can do whatever they want with it" many people depend on stream exposure to get their games out, and twitch is practically the only viable platform to do so.
[QUOTE=eirexe;51713368]This is terrible, when your company is so big it owns most of the marketshare you can't just say "it's their platform and they can do whatever they want with it" many people depend on stream exposure to get their games out, and twitch is practically the only viable platform to do so.[/QUOTE]
the guy has 1.2m subscribers on youtube and each video gets anywhere from 1-2m views.
multiple large youtubers (markiplier, pewdiepie, etc.) have made videos of the game with multiple millions of views.
you can't tell me he's having trouble "getting his game out".
[QUOTE=BeardyDuck;51713375]the guy has 1.2m subscribers on youtube and each video gets anywhere from 1-2m views.
multiple large youtubers (markiplier, pewdiepie, etc.) have made videos of the game with multiple millions of views.
you can't tell me he's having trouble "getting his game out".[/QUOTE]
I never said so, I just said that if this had happened earlier in development it would have had a bigger impact.
[QUOTE=Naota1248;51713091]Has anyone ever played Postal 2? That game is allowed on Twitch, and it's probably the most offensive game I've had the pleasure of playing[/QUOTE]
Postal 2 is only rated Mature, which is allowed by Twitch. It is/was controversial but nothing about it is particularly extreme or something that would distress people. You can go around murdering people in weird and wonderful ways in most open world games but the line starts to be drawn when you reach cruel/high levels of gore.
I'm guessing the game is on Twitch's shit list because it most likely would be classified as adult only considering it takes place in a school setting, and I believe contains stuff like sexual exploitation/violence, suicide, bullying, harassment, drugs etc. Would you expect a game where you can literally bully a high school kid until they kill themselves or you can torture them until they go insane, with a healthy dose of being able to take upskirt pics of high school girls to be taken lightly by ratings boards?
The game contains extreme themes for a game whichever way you look at it. If it ended up getting rated and wasn't adult I'm sure it'd probably be allowed.
*EDIT*
GTAV and torture is different, it's not a focus of the game and it's not something the player directly participates in/plans out but is rather part of a story. The game is also rated Mature which is enough for Twitch I guess.
The secondary issue here is that his defense is that other games have the same mechanics but are not explicitly banned. [B]Who is to say these other games would not be banned? Does he expect Twitch to have a comprehensive list of bans for every game that gets released and very specific gameplay reasons as to why its banned? They don't need to list off Obscure Japanese Creep Game #251 as explicitly banned because nobody is streaming it, and if they were they probably would be told not to as it breaks the rules.[/B] Yandere was probably added to the list because it started getting popular and had a fair few people streaming it.
The silence from them is weird though, they could do with just releasing a boilerplate statement echoing the above if that's the case here. This seems less of a censorship/SJW issue and more of Twitch having some sweeping policies as well as a list of games that are/have been popular and want to make a point that they are not allowed. The list on Twitch is a list of games [B]explicitly[/B] banned by Twitch; It's not exhaustive, you still couldn't fire up a similar game or a random porn game that isn't mentioned and expect not to be banned.
[QUOTE=Zang-Pog;51712884]If there is a legitimate reason why it's banned, why isn't Twitch telling the dude even when he's been trying to contact them all over the internet?
It just seems really bizarre and unprofessional[/QUOTE]
Yet another casualty of "Too profitable to care about being Ethical." In order to get them to do anything, really, you have to catch them doing something illegal and just about hand them a notice to appear before anyone will change anything.
[Quote]The Maiden Rape Assault: Violent Semen Inferno[/Quote]
I'm trying to pay attention to the video but I just can't get over that this is a fucking video game title.
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