[QUOTE=noh_mercy;45730283]whats different? Unless there is some part of a human that is outside of the physical world, they have to be the same thing.[/QUOTE]
the difference is that you're using different matter. the two people are identical in every possible way, except one of them existed way before the other was created at the other end of the teleporter. the person who entered the teleporter ceases to exist, while the clone that lives will think it is that person.
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;45732391]the difference is that you're using different matter. the two people are identical in every possible way, except one of them existed way before the other was created at the other end of the teleporter. the person who entered the teleporter ceases to exist, while the clone that lives will think it is that person.[/QUOTE]
so because body 1 existed a lot longer than body 2, that's the only reason preventing body 2 from being considered the 'original'?
There are a number of different arguments I have for this, first off, the cells you have on you right now are not any older than the cells you had at birth (except for like certain brain cells), the cells you have on you are just a bit different due to a bunch of factors (maturity, dna wearing down...) slowly over time, your cells die off and 'new cells' take their place, all those 'newer' cells came from somewhere: the food you eat. So, after a certain number of years, 'you' become made up of 'different matter'. I'm pretty sure you have never looked at your arm and said "damn i miss my old arm". Have you ever considered that you might be a clone of yourself? You are just like body 2 except you are and always will be in the same exact position as body 1.
In addition, if we can agree that matter cannot be created or destroyed, then it makes sense to believe that all matter is exactly the same age (aka its always been here). The ages of the bodies is completely irrelevant because its component parts are all the same age. If age has in some way tampered with body 1, then that change can be implemented in body 2 because age only effects cells and If I had a machine with atom-to-atom precision, I can give the cells of body 2 the same form as body 1, making them have the same 'age'. But in reality the 'age' of existence is pretty subjective and shouldn't be used to compare these 2 bodies (just my 2 cents) especially in determining which one is more 'legit' than the other.
some info:
[url]http://www.brainfacts.org/about-neuroscience/ask-an-expert/articles/2012/are-you-born-with-all-your-brain-cells-or-do-you-grow-new-ones[/url]
[QUOTE=noh_mercy;45733516]so because body 1 existed a lot longer than body 2, that's the only reason preventing body 2 from being considered the 'original'?
There are a number of different arguments I have for this, first off, the cells you have on you right now are not any older than the cells you had at birth (except for like certain brain cells), the cells you have on you are just a bit different due to a bunch of factors (maturity, dna wearing down...) slowly over time, your cells die off and 'new cells' take their place, all those 'newer' cells came from somewhere: the food you eat. So, after a certain number of years, 'you' become made up of 'different matter'. I'm pretty sure you have never looked at your arm and said "damn i miss my old arm". Have you ever considered that you might be a clone of yourself? You are just like body 2 except you are and always will be in the same exact position as body 1.[/quote]
These two are barely even comparable. One of them is a long, natural process that slowly takes in new matter for your body, and the other is an instantaneous process that completely disassembles every single one of the molecules that you're made up of. In your example, you never replace a lot at once. You always have "old" cells together with "new" ones.
The person who enters the teleporter is the original (and different from the one who exits it) because he was there first. No, I'm not saying the matter he's made up of is older, but that matter was "attached" to him by natural means long before the clone appeared at the other end of the teleporter. They're both identical, except for that, and the fact that they're two different people with two different consciousnesses (meaning the original dies after entering the TP)
The teleported clone is a different entity and the original copy dies. If you kept the original then there would be two people that believe they are you.
In normal space and time even without teleportation the you now is not the same as the you one minute ago. The you now just has memories of the past you. Your consciousness is only in the present. You could in theory have spontaneously sprung into existence at this precise point in time and all your past memories could be fake, like a character in a movie.
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