[QUOTE=Maucer;24366350]People don't seem to understand the difference between apes and monkeys.
Also, I find it quite shocking how dogmatic the american school system is. Seems like many of the schools don't teach evolution because it's against some peoples religion. Still they teach stuff that has much much less evidence behind them. In Finland we have a nationwide curriculum that is fully based on scientific viewpoint and all religious stuff and personal options have been stripped off.[/QUOTE]
It's what we get for all of the states being able to decide individually what's on the curriculum.
[QUOTE=Maucer;24366350]People don't seem to understand the difference between apes and monkeys.[/QUOTE]
Some people grew up in a place where such a distinction isn't made.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;24283352]i would call you stupid wrong or a troll but. did you know that gravity is also a theory. theory and fact are kinda the same thing[/QUOTE]
I would call you stupid wrong or an idiot, but did you know in the scientific community using different words can mean COMPLETELY different things?
[QUOTE=BmB;24366414]Some people grew up in a place where such a distinction isn't made.[/QUOTE]
I hope that's sarcasm.
For clarifation: According to the evolution theory humans did not involve from monkeys.
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[QUOTE=Maucer;24366350]People don't seem to understand the difference between apes and monkeys.[/QUOTE]
In many languages, there's only one word for ape and monkey.
[QUOTE=sp00ks;24366733]In many languages, there's only one word for ape and monkey.[/QUOTE]
Do they use Latin names for kingdom, division, class, order, family, genus and species?
[QUOTE=Heroms;24283351][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_United_States#Main_religious_preferences_of_Americans[/url]
Awfully unspecific but it's still pretty clear that over 50% don't believe in evolution.
Either way, who gives a shit? Let people believe what they want to believe, it's not doing any harm to anyone else.[/QUOTE]
The vast majority of people who don't believe in evolution are religious and aren't very scientifically literate, which causes them to have distorded views of reality, which very negatively influences politics and the world as a whole, therefore the rate of disbelief in evolution can tell many things about the society.
[QUOTE=ZomBCranbrry;24365870]Just because a bunch of douchebags got together and did something "For the Lord" doesn't mean the Lord approves.
I would say that they do not accurately represent what Christianity is about: love.
"He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love." 1 John 4:8
Now tell me, if they truly loved their neighbor, would they burn them at the stake, or kill them? The answer is no.
So, obviously, those people either aren't real Christians, or they're extremely misguided.[/QUOTE]
if you know anything about the old book then you would know that that was what god wanted him to do. god is a very horrible person
[QUOTE=mr.killa;24365618]Crusades/Salem witch trials, that is all.[/QUOTE]
You really shouldn't let the minority define the majority of a religion.
[QUOTE=I Broke The Sun!;24365831]Are you kidding me?
My school was shitty when it came to teaching Evolution.
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I live in Indiana[/QUOTE]Mine did a pretty damn good job.
[QUOTE=Tomaster;24369667]You really shouldn't let the minority define the majority of a religion.[/QUOTE]
Religion =\= Bias, that is all.
People who don't believe in evolution don't believe in it because they are experiencing devolution.
[QUOTE=Tomaster;24369667]You really shouldn't let the minority define the majority of a religion.[/QUOTE]
At the time, that was the majority.
Christianity is like Hitler coming back and saying "Woops, sorry guys. Sorry about the past, I'm going to be charitable from now on. Except I still hate the gays. Fuck the damn gays."
[QUOTE=Jad Hinto;24370333]Mine did a pretty damn good job.[/QUOTE]
Lucky you
I never took Zoology/Botany(our school had the option if you took biology) though, I only went down that course far as biology so I dunno.
My biology teacher was pretty shitty at it though, he implied that spontaneous generation had more evidence than evolution once.
[QUOTE=Jookia;24283335]Evolution hasn't been proven, there's still missing links. That's why it's called the [B]theory[/B] of evolution.[/QUOTE]
With reasoning like that you could say almost nothing has been "proven."
The real key to defining true and false is [U]disproving[/U] something. There's heaps of evidence in favor of evolution, and none for any other theories. Evolution is true, and there's some basic fundamentals of life that clearly show evolution. Unless you're willing to step up and show proof of creationism, then for all intents and purposes, evolution is fact.
[QUOTE=I Broke The Sun!;24370445]Lucky you
I never took Zoology/Botany(our school had the option if you took biology) though, I only went down that course far as biology so I dunno.
My biology teacher was pretty shitty at it though, he implied that spontaneous generation had more evidence than evolution once.[/QUOTE]They hammered it in in 7th grade in Social Studies, it wasn't even optional. They did a good job of stating a lot though "We're not saying this is how man got here."
[QUOTE=mr.killa;24365618]Crusades/ Salem witch trials, that is all.[/QUOTE]
Thats like saying all American's are evil because at one time they had black slaves.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;24370597]Thats like saying all American's are evil because at one time they had black slaves.[/QUOTE]
well they still are bad, hating gays, hating science, stopping new technology, brainwash, taking money etc
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;24375985]well they still are bad, hating gays, hating science, stopping new technology, brainwash, taking money etc[/QUOTE]
You are just as ignorant as the radicals are.
Not all Christians are crusaders out to impede Science, burn gays and brainwash the masses.
[QUOTE=I Broke The Sun!;24376042]You are just as ignorant as the radicals are.
Not all Christians are crusaders out to impede Science, burn gays and brainwash the masses.[/QUOTE]
did i ever say that? no but alot of it is
[QUOTE=AWarGuy;24300176]I go to a Catholic school (sigh) and I try having debates with the Creationists. I bring up facts, examples etc and they just reply:
"GOD DID IT NO NO NO GOD DID IT"
I raged, Creationists don't know enough about the topic.
But I'm not the only atheist at my school (phew).[/QUOTE]
Wow , Looking at this post I seem like an big douchebag.
Sorry Facepunch :saddowns:
Most Americans are stupid, nothing to see here (I'm American).
all the people in the thread who are saying creationism shouldn't be taught in schools need to get off their high horses and stop being fucking idiots.
the concepts and ideas behind creationism absolutely needs to be taught in schools. the difference is that evolution by natural selection should be rigorously taught to the students in science lessons, with mention that various religious frameworks have different views whereas creationism should be discussed in religious studies / religion and philosophy lessons.
there should also be a very thorough religion and philosophy program set out in such a way every student should have to take it - this should educate on many religious and views as well as covering things like intelligent design, the cosmological argument etc. having a very strong religious education program in the US can only help reduce religious prejudice and insensitivity.
while i'm revising the schools program in the US in my head i think i'll ban abstinence only sex education while i'm there.
[QUOTE=mike;24611006]all the people in the thread who are saying creationism shouldn't be taught in schools need to get off their high horses and stop being fucking idiots.
creationism absolutely needs to be taught in schools. the difference is that evolution by natural selection should be rigorously taught to the students in science lessons, with mention that various religious frameworks have different views.
there should also be a very thorough religion and philosophy program set out in such a way every student should have to take it - this should educate on many religious and views as well as covering things like intelligent design, the cosmological argument etc. having a very strong religious education program in the US can only help reduce religious prejudice and insensitivity.
while i'm revising the schools program in the US in my head i think i'll ban abstinence only sex education while i'm there.[/QUOTE]
so you want to shove religion down kids throats and also do you want kids to have to learn about the tooth fairy as well?
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;24611065]so you want to shove religion down kids throats and also do you want kids to have to learn about the tooth fairy as well?[/QUOTE]
the first amendement of the american constitution specifies freedom of religion - people are free to believe whatever they want to believe. probably partly because of this america is lucky enough to be a pretty multicultural nation with many different religions.
not only is learning about other religions interesting and a rewarding experience, it's pretty much the only thing that has the ability to reduce religious intolerance easily at a young age - this is what OFSTED said in 2007 about it:
“At its best, RE equips pupils very well to consider issues of community cohesion, diversity and religious understanding. It contributes significantly to pupils’ academic progress and their personal development. This is one reason why pupils’ attitudes towards the subject have improved. Older pupils, in particular, believe that RE provides opportunities to discuss issues which matter to them and encourages them to respect differences of opinion and belief.”
if you've misunderstood my post i apologise - it's not intended as a method to preach to young people and shove religion down their necks, it's an objective subject that aims to educate young people on other religions and their history and belief system.
i found my studies in the subject rewarding and interesting. i was also lucky enough to have friends drawn from many religions and having a greater understanding of their beliefs really was fantastic.
I was raised Christian, but I never really cared for it. Then I saw evolution, and it made so much sense to me. Probably has something to do with me relating to it or something idk.
[QUOTE=mike;24611152]the first amendement of the american constitution specifies freedom of religion - people are free to believe whatever they want to believe. probably partly because of this america is lucky enough to be a pretty multicultural nation with many different religions.
not only is learning about other religions interesting and a rewarding experience, it's pretty much the only thing that has the ability to reduce religious intolerance easily at a young age - this is what OFSTED said in 2007 about it:
“At its best, RE equips pupils very well to consider issues of community cohesion, diversity and religious understanding. It contributes significantly to pupils’ academic progress and their personal development. This is one reason why pupils’ attitudes towards the subject have improved. Older pupils, in particular, believe that RE provides opportunities to discuss issues which matter to them and encourages them to respect differences of opinion and belief.”
if you've misunderstood my post i apologise - it's not intended as a method to preach to young people and shove religion down their necks, it's an objective subject that aims to educate young people on other religions and their history and belief system.
i found my studies in the subject rewarding and interesting. i was also lucky enough to have friends drawn from many religions and having a greater understanding of their beliefs really was fantastic.[/QUOTE]
i would say learning science is the best way to do that
[QUOTE=mike;24611006]all the people in the thread who are saying creationism shouldn't be taught in schools need to get off their high horses and stop being fucking idiots.
creationism absolutely needs to be taught in schools. the difference is that evolution by natural selection should be rigorously taught to the students in science lessons, with mention that various religious frameworks have different views.
there should also be a very thorough religion and philosophy program set out in such a way every student should have to take it - this should educate on many religious and views as well as covering things like intelligent design, the cosmological argument etc. having a very strong religious education program in the US can only help reduce religious prejudice and insensitivity.
while i'm revising the schools program in the US in my head i think i'll ban abstinence only sex education while i'm there.[/QUOTE]
Yes, I believe creationism should be taught in school. In Mythology class right next to Zeus and Poseidon. Because that's what it is.
when you say "evolution by natural selection should be rigorously taught to the students in science lessons, with mention that various religious frameworks have different views." you should also say the earth is round but some people dont think that way and cat is spelled c-a-t but some people dont think that
[QUOTE=OvB;24633482]Yes, I believe creationism should be taught in school. In Mythology class right next to Zeus and Poseidon. Because that's what it is.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. A modern culture class or something like that.
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