[QUOTE=mike;24647876]yes...[/QUOTE]
...Do you understand that the word did not change the meaning of your post at all?
[QUOTE=DrMortician;24647897]...Do you understand that the word did not change the meaning of your post at all?[/QUOTE]
if you can find a nice way for me to express the point that people should learn about the ideas behind creationism then be my guest.
[QUOTE=mike;24611006]all the people in the thread who are saying creationism shouldn't be taught in schools need to get off their high horses and stop being fucking idiots.
creationism absolutely needs to be taught in schools. the difference is that evolution by natural selection should be rigorously taught to the students in science lessons, with mention that various religious frameworks have different views.
there should also be a very thorough religion and philosophy program set out in such a way every student should have to take it - this should educate on many religious and views as well as covering things like intelligent design, the cosmological argument etc. having a very strong religious education program in the US can only help reduce religious prejudice and insensitivity.
while i'm revising the schools program in the US in my head i think i'll ban abstinence only sex education while i'm there.[/QUOTE]
i completely agree with you
if any of you are familiar with the unitarian church a lot of their services involve learning about different religions/cultures and beliefs. there is a huge atheist community within this church, believe it or not. this open mindedness is essential to the psychological and intellectual well being of every child/teenager/adult
in california we have to take a world religions course in high school, which delves into the four "major" religions: christianity, hinduism, islam and judaism. religion itself is not inherently evil, it is the prejudice and discrimination of the people who are religious and use religion as a vessel for their hatred that is evil. by teaching religion/creationism/etc, not only are you teaching equality but you are enforcing open mindedness. kids in america have never learned about hinduism prior to this and merely sitting through a lecture about it can do wonders to their thinking.
in my belief, it is much easier to rid the world of prejudice than it is to rid the world of religion. and it is psychologically healthy to be more open minded
most of you all misunderstanding mike's post: note how he said that evolution should be taught rigorously, and religion should be taught in a philosophy type fashion - and it should be! learning about the connections between jesus and buddhism, or gnostism and the vedas is a very enlightening thing!
[QUOTE=mike;24647969]if you can find a nice way for me to express the point that people should learn about the ideas behind creationism then be my guest.[/QUOTE]
I already did.
Well we kinda do learn about religion in history class (its like 75% jesus and all the rest to other religions)
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;24648355]Well we kinda do learn about religion in history class (its like 75% jesus and all the rest to other religions)[/QUOTE]
Wait... 75% of your history class is about Jesus? What kind of history class is that? Maybe its a world religions class?
It is possible for Christians to believe in evolution. Hell, Pope Benedict said there could be life on other planets.
Although, The first time I met an ardent creationist before, my faith in humanity plummeted, so I do see where you guys are coming from.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;24283325]well this could be old but today i found out that 51% of America doesn't believe in evolution and another 30 think it was guided. I mean we dont live in the 18th century. We not only made evolution programs on computers (which you can download here [url]http://www.stellaralchemy.com/lee/vce3d_download.php[/url] ) but also observe it in nature all the time. well i guess i will be moving to Denmark.[/QUOTE]
Your counterpoints to prove this data is ridiculous sucks. "WE MADE A COMPUTER PROGRAM SO IT EXISTS LOLOLL" Half-Life 2 was also a computer program, but there aren't crabs trying to couple with my head. Also, we do not observe it in nature all the time. The closest we can get to actually observing true evolution is in viruses and the such. Also, when making an argument, it's really hard to take you seriously when you can't punctuate correctly or capitalize words.
[QUOTE=Nick Nack;24648648]Your counterpoints to prove this data is ridiculous sucks. "WE MADE A COMPUTER PROGRAM SO IT EXISTS LOLOLL" Half-Life 2 was also a computer program, but there aren't crabs trying to couple with my head.[/QUOTE]
your an idiot, I can tell with a counter like that because everything you just said is wrong
and ps people will not take me srsly if i cant spell words right but they will treat you like a retard when you base your counters on your lac of knowledge
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[QUOTE=Danta7;24648582]Wait... 75% of your history class is about Jesus? What kind of history class is that? Maybe its a world religions class?[/QUOTE]
When we get the religion part. MY teacher is very christian and her husband is my bio teacher and he said he will not teach evolution because hes a christian so i didnt learn any that year
Religion should be taught separate from Science. It should be Science class and Mythology/Religion class. However, when you get to the point in time where certain religious topics converge with scientific topics, like Church's discrimination of scientists(Heliocentrism vs. Geocentrism, Galileo and everything else) evolution, and when scientists tried to explain where maggots came from before it was really understood what was going on should be mentioned in science class.
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When we get the religion part. MY teacher is very christian and her husband is my bio teacher and he said he will not teach evolution because hes a christian so i didnt learn any that year[/QUOTE]
He should be fired. That is unacceptable.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;24648706]your an idiot, I can tell with a counter like that because everything you just said is wrong
and ps people will not take me srsly if i cant spell words right but they will treat you like a retard when you base your counters on your lac of knowledge
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Care to point out how he is wrong?
[QUOTE=I Broke The Sun!;24650155]Care to point out how he is wrong?[/QUOTE]
yea ok first off we have seen evolution in other things not just viruses like bacteria, protists and animals and the reason why a computer program creating evolution is proof because the program runs all the things that happen in nature like death, environment, mutation and even creats genetic drift. and in fact we had programs that can simulate evolution for about 20 years now and scientist use that as proof for a reason
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;24650347]yea ok first off we have seen evolution in other things not just viruses like bacteria, protists and animals and the reason why a computer program creating evolution is proof because the program runs all the things that happen in nature like death, environment, mutation and even creats genetic drift. and in fact we had programs that can simulate evolution for about 20 years now and scientist use that as proof for a reason[/QUOTE]
I don't think I've seen a scientist use a computer simulation as definite evidence to prove a hypothesis before.
Also simulations do not equal to definitive proof.
[QUOTE=I Broke The Sun!;24650468]I don't think I've seen a scientist use a computer simulation as definite evidence to prove a hypothesis before.
Also simulations do not equal to definitive proof.[/QUOTE]
they have used them all the time. thats how they figured out how the moon was made and the reason why a simulator works is because it uses real world things but speeds it up
[QUOTE=I Broke The Sun!;24650468]I don't think I've seen a scientist use a computer simulation as definite evidence to prove a hypothesis before.
Also simulations do not equal to definitive proof.[/QUOTE]
Do not dare use the word hypothesis shit face, go and read about Meiosis and Mitosis, read about genetic drift, read about viruses and bacteria that become immune to drugs, and go and read about how rattlesnakes are undergoing forced selection and evolution in the American deep south due to annual rattle snake hunts.
Evolution is a near perfect [I]theory (a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world; an organized system of accepted knowledge that applies in a variety of circumstances to explain a specific set of phenomena; "theories can incorporate facts and laws and tested hypotheses"; "true in fact and theory[/I] and you'd do well to realise this.
Also simulations are used based off of a current theoretical model and it tries to explain as many scenarios as possible to try and explain an outcome, then evidence is found to back up this scenario and then they repeat the process til it gets to near perfect levels, then use it to explain other situations with the data available (for example using data from a meteor impact to gain information and then apply it to the formation of the moon) and lo and behold it works = good theory, no work = bad theory that needs to be overhauled to make a good theory.
I know scientists use computer simulations, they are great tools, but I don't think I've seen them use them as definitive proof to a hypothesis.
[QUOTE=I Broke The Sun!;24650667]I know scientists use computer simulations, they are great tools, but I don't think I've seen them use them as definitive proof to a hypothesis.[/QUOTE]
well like I said they have many times
and like i said before were used to see how the moon was formed
We find evidence of evolution in a lot of different things.
Divergent evolution in Orcas:
[url]http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=996411[/url]
The removal of actinodin 1 and 2 genes in fish fins result in limb like appendages, providing an explanation on how life took it's first steps on land:
[url]http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=960830[/url]
I concede, I'm being a total dumbass right now.
I'm an evolutionist, it's just I've never seen simulations as definitive evidence. I'll take my leave of this thread now.
[QUOTE=I Broke The Sun!;24650890]I concede, I'm being a total dumbass right now.
I'm an evolutionist, it's just I've never seen simulations as definitive evidence. I'll take my leave of this thread now.[/QUOTE]
Someone getting proved wrong and then saying they are wrong!
you sir are a big man, a bigger man then most on fp
[QUOTE=I Broke The Sun!;24650890]I concede, I'm being a total dumbass right now.
I'm an evolutionist, it's just I've never seen simulations as definitive evidence. I'll take my leave of this thread now.[/QUOTE]
I've never understood this idea of being an evolutionist, it's not like it's a fucking belief, it's a damn near proven scientific fact with mountains of evidence for it.
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