Christopher Nolan's "Interstellar" (2014) - Scifi film about time travel and worm holes - General

It's so good you guys you have no idea

Go see the fuckin movie, nerds

well we would if it was OUT YET

[QUOTE=Solomon;46406892]Go see the fuckin movie, nerds[/QUOTE] doesn't release until friday, or a 9pm thursday screening, which i may go to, don't even care if i'm alone.

Going on Friday at 8pm, going to be good.

Saw it in IMAX 70mm tonight. Was absolutely fantastic. Zero complaints. Y'all need to see ASAP and in IMAX if possible.

Been following this movie since the script leak, and I just got back from seeing it. Nolan nailed it. Don't expect it to be the same as 2001 though, Interstellar is a different type of epic.

I saw it at the Sydney Darling Harbour IMAX. Holy shit, what a film. Still taking it all in. [sp]Didn't expect Matt Damon to be in it. That jump scare with him got me good.[/sp] I noticed that at times of great significance of the film, [sp]the music emulated the final notes of 'Also Sprach Zarathustra', the song that was popularized by 2001: A Space Odyssey.[/sp] Whoever said that it would be like 2001 streamlined towards the audience was right, but it was done in a way that didn't suck at all. It was visually stunning as well. To think it was done with no green screen was insane. 9/10, would watch again and have my mind blown a second time.

Just got back. Amazing movie. First hour of the movie was pretty tame, but the last two had me at the edge of my seat the whole time. Some of those scenes are intense as fuck. They did a really good job personifying the robot too. Soundtrack was a lot simpler than inception, but still just as moving. Hans Zimmer again doesn't disappoint.

I had to have a beer afterwards with my friend to destress after that movie. It was absolutely fantastic. A space-rollercoaster of emotion, stress, and awe-inspiring wonder. I called the 'ending' [sp]the 'ghost'[/sp] very close to the start of the movie [sp]after the first time it happened[/sp]. Was pretty satisfying when it actually happened. Visuals were glorious, and I thought there were a few nice nods to 2001: A Space Odyssey (uhh, I think). Acting was incredible. Like I said, an emotional, stressful rollercoaster. TARS was fucking glorious. Music, of course, was top notch. The scenes with no/very little audio were just as powerful in some instances, though. My one complaint about the whole movie was that sometimes quieter spoken lines were overpowered by the rest of the audio and I couldn't make out too well what was being said. [sp]The construct inside of the black hole is pretty much spot on the 'acid-prison' of my mind that I've been trapped in during a bad trip before. Made me freak out a little bit when it happened. Very cool, though. Also, Matt Damon is a dick! Although it's somewhat understandable, but still...[/sp] [editline]6th November 2014[/editline] Also, [sp]dat ontological paradox[/sp].

[QUOTE=sltungle;46422799]I had to have a beer afterwards with my friend to destress after that movie. It was absolutely fantastic. A space-rollercoaster of emotion, stress, and awe-inspiring wonder. I called the 'ending' [sp]the 'ghost'[/sp] very close to the start of the movie [sp]after the first time it happened[/sp]. Was pretty satisfying when it actually happened. Visuals were glorious, and I thought there were a few nice nods to 2001: A Space Odyssey (uhh, I think). Acting was incredible. Like I said, an emotional, stressful rollercoaster. TARS was fucking glorious. Music, of course, was top notch. The scenes with no/very little audio were just as powerful in some instances, though. My one complaint about the whole movie was that sometimes quieter spoken lines were overpowered by the rest of the audio and I couldn't make out too well what was being said. [sp]The construct inside of the black hole is pretty much spot on the 'acid-prison' of my mind that I've been trapped in during a bad trip before. Made me freak out a little bit when it happened. Very cool, though. Also, Matt Damon is a dick! Although it's somewhat understandable, but still...[/sp] [editline]6th November 2014[/editline] Also, [sp]dat ontological paradox[/sp].[/QUOTE] [sp]I also called the ending as well, but I have a habit of doing that so I feel that it was a good enough twist for the normal viewer.[/sp] [sp]I also wonder what Matt Damon was going to say just before he was rudely interrupted by an explosion. "There comes a time-" BOOM[/sp]

[QUOTE=FlandersNed;46422864][sp]I also called the ending as well, but I have a habit of doing that so I feel that it was a good enough twist for the normal viewer.[/sp] [sp]I also wonder what Matt Damon was going to say just before he was rudely interrupted by an explosion. "There comes a time-" BOOM[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]I changed my mind very briefly when they were going to eject TARS and wondered if they were going to go for an Asimov reference and have TARS enter the blackhole and become something akin to the Cosmic AC from 'The Last Question'. I turned to my friend and whispered, "actually, I think the ghost might be TARS now." Then immediately afterwards the second reveal was made I turned back to him and said, "scratch that."[/sp]

Man Hans Zimmer with Christopher Nolan somehow creates the best music.

Also, I almost fucking cried when [sp]Coop was leaving and Murph came running out after him; so many fucking feels.[/sp]

Matthew was brilliant in that scene. In the movie generally too.

great movie, one of the best sci-fi films in a long time. the best part of the movie is when [sp]cooper comes back to the endurance after spending a few hours on the relativity planet only to find 23 years had passed[/sp] also [sp]O'neill cylinder at the end. never thought i'd see that in a mainstream filck[/sp] but yeah this movie does everything better than gravity, without a doubt.

okay but [sp]how did future humans exist in the first place to create the 5th dimension place if cooper hadn't yet saved the future by relaying the data? also what exactly was the data that saved them? why did going through a black hole yield the data to save humanity? and what kind of omnipotent being was around watching over it knowing to close this world when he was done? if they knew when he was done, couldn't they know enough to send the message back themselves? and why would he be suddenly transported back into space to be found afterward?[/sp] i like sci-fi but this wasn't sci-fi. this was straight up magic.

[QUOTE=Rusty100;46423543]okay but [sp]how did future humans exist in the first place to create the 5th dimension place if cooper hadn't yet saved the future by relaying the data? also what exactly was the data that saved them? why did going through a black hole yield the data to save humanity? and what kind of omnipotent being was around watching over it knowing to close this world when he was done? if they knew when he was done, couldn't they know enough to send the message back themselves? and why would he be suddenly transported back into space to be found afterward?[/sp] i like sci-fi but this wasn't sci-fi. this was straight up magic.[/QUOTE] [sp]It was merely speculation on Coop's behalf that the 'beings' were future humans. There was no direct evidence of that. For all we know they could just be some alien species native to higher dimensions that are like universal caretakers or something. The time loop thing is one of the inherent mindfucks of time travel. If you imagine time as being a straight line going back in time causes a little loop to bud off of the side (assuming you go with the notion of self fulfilling prophecies and whatnot). There is no 'first' time. I mean there's only ever really 'one time' when it comes down to it, but it appears to happen over and over and over due to the loop. Current scientific consensus is that if you could peer into a singularity you'd probably be able to extract data enough to reconcile quantum mechanics and general relativity (a point which is mentioned by Mann earlier on in the movie, actually); a theory of quantum gravity is needed to develop a GUT (Grand Unified Theory) and eventually a TOE (Theory Of Everything). Such a development would, in time, most likely lead to the development of fantastic technologies. A wormhole is actually just a blackhole with its 'throat' held open (for example with exotic matter (which hasn't been shown to exist yet, and indeed probably doesn't (depending on your definition of what constitutes exotic matter))). When the inner structure to the blackhole was allowed to collapse I suppose whoever was in 'charge' of it connected its throat to the wormhole back at Saturn, stabilised it, and allowed Coop to pass back through because they're bros. Obviously this isn't too much of a problem for them because they'd already connected two black holes together to make that solar system accessible in the first place. Do bare in mind Clarke's third law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."[/sp]

[sp]if they can connect black holes, create a 5th universe, and all that shit, surely they could give humanity that information without concocting this whole convoluted thing with cooper and his daughter.[/sp] [editline]7th November 2014[/editline] my point is that it's a really great and engaging and thrilling little story, up until that point, and to wrap it up with magic was a huge disservice to the film. it deserved a conclusion slightly more in the realm of understandable reality. even just a little bit. [editline]7th November 2014[/editline] instead of going 'okay, all this quantum mechanics and wormhole stuff is going to work in this specific completely made up and ridiculous way, because the plot demands it'

[QUOTE=Rusty100;46423634][sp]if they can connect black holes, create a 5th universe, and all that shit, surely they could give humanity that information without concocting this whole convoluted thing with cooper and his daughter.[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]Now you're getting to the heart of ontological paradoxes. I suggest reading the wikipedia article on them (not to mention the various other ones that crop up with time travel). It might not even have been intentional; they might have not been attempting to complete the time loop. Perhaps they were just dicking around with wormholes and 'accidentally' (i.e. for self consistency reasons that the universe needs to adhere to) created their own part in the loop.[/sp]

if i have to read the wikipedia article on [sp]'ontological paradoxes'[/sp] for the movie to make more sense, it's narrative didn't do a good job.

I'd suggest spoiler tagging that, because it does hint at a major aspect of the movie. [sp]You do realise the entire point of the movie was to make a realistic sci-fi movie incorporating the physics of wormholes (which are at least in theory possible), right? You're not going to get given a crash course in general relativity, as well as general logical thought in a fucking three hour movie. It's partially on you (especially if you know what you're getting into) to question and learn about the stuff you didn't understand; otherwise, suspend your disbelief. In fact you shouldn't even NEED to read the article (it just makes life easier), you can simply brood on it for a while and start to make 'sense' of self-fulfilling prophecies and such.[/sp]

that's my problem. after a certain point, belief suspension became too hard, and the movie delved into 'oh come on' territory. whatever space magic i could read up on, it wouldn't explain why everything was so perfectly convenient for cooper in the end. that's just a script issue.

[QUOTE=Rusty100;46423702]that's my problem. after a certain point, belief suspension became too hard, and the movie delved into 'oh come on' territory. whatever space magic i could read up on, it wouldn't explain why everything was so perfectly convenient for cooper in the end. that's just a script issue.[/QUOTE] The only proper 'space magic' was [sp]the construct inside of the black hole[/sp]. The rest, for the most part, seemed to be fairly realistic as long as you're willing to accept that [sp]time travel can happen[/sp]. If you accept that as one of your starting points [sp]and if you can accept that the rules of time travel in this specific movie lead to there only being one 'timeline' which must be self consistent[/sp] then the rest follows logically. Again, only thing that's really 'space magic' [sp]is the specific method by which the time 'travel' was achieved (tugging on 'strings' of space time)[/sp]. [editline]7th November 2014[/editline] [sp]And you're right, things were convenient for Cooper, but yes, that was a script 'issue'. Murph and Coop needed a reconciliation, and killing him off wouldn't have really yielded that too well; he could have left her a comprehensive, "I'm sorry for leaving. I love you." type message from the blackhole, but I imagine audiences would probably prefer a happy ending to that. All requirements for self consistency could easily have been achieved by letting Coop die, though.[/sp]

I saw it and really liked it, it isn't for everyone. One of the major parts of the movie is to open your mind to infinite possibility which some people won't like or take to much.

i'm fine with infinite possibility. but when it's basically the most convenient thing that could possibly ever happen to the protagonist, i have trouble suspending disbelief

In retrospect, I'm wondering if the [sp]gravitational slingshot[/sp] pulled off at the end would even be possible. [sp]If the black hole constitutes most of the mass of the system (i.e. it is at rest relative to the rest of the system, or in other words everything is orbiting it) then it wouldn't work. However, that said, a neutron star is mentioned when they first arrive in system, so that could have one or two of the planets orbiting it. There also appears to be enough ambient light present on the planets that a star must also be present (probably behind the blackhole somewhere considering how much light was getting bent around it).[/sp]

[sp]Theirs some Hollywood BS for sure, a ship like the Endurance would be destroyed by the gravity shearing, a weak black hole is still a black hole and will kick your ass especially when you're riding a tin can.[/sp] The movie [sp]Is also one big Dues Ex Machina, the evolved humans that orchestrated the events had them in a planned order so that's why it was so convenient. Basically they needed our help because they can't preceive time the same way we can. I'm guessing that they experience time in a non-linear fashion which is why the time placement of the wormhole was sloppy. Yet they can do it well enough to have him end up at the wormhole in proper timing :v:[/sp]

[QUOTE=Saxon;46429316][sp]Theirs some Hollywood BS for sure, a ship like the Endurance would be destroyed by the gravity shearing, a weak black hole is still a black hole and will kick your ass especially when you're riding a tin can.[/sp] The movie [sp]Is also one big Dues Ex Machina, the evolved humans that orchestrated the events had them in a planned order so that's why it was so convenient[/sp][/QUOTE] Not necessarily true. [sp]The blackhole is stated to be a big one; it's even called Gargantua. The gravitational gradient near the event horizon of a blackhole is inversely proportional to its radius, i.e. you're more fucked if you pass close by a small blackhole than if you pass by a large one.[/sp] If you take issue with the [sp]blackhole[/sp] then you must too take issue with the [sp]wormhole[/sp] as they're basically the same thing in the end [sp](in fact given how small the wormhole seemed to be it'd probably suffer more passing through it than close to the blackhole)[/sp].

[sp]I still don't think you can still get that close in a space craft like the Endurance, at least from what I saw in Cosmos and that was much larger. I'm not a physicists though so go ahead and tell me why I'm wrong :3[/sp]