Christopher Nolan's "Interstellar" (2014) - Scifi film about time travel and worm holes - General

[QUOTE=Gripen2;39185665]Sounds like my dream movie.[/QUOTE] I was not dissapointed.

[QUOTE=o DefcoN o;46462117]I thought the movie was pretty good up until [sp]he fell in the black hole into that bookcase universe, then it went downhill from there imo.[/sp][/QUOTE] that was my favorite part

Why did [sp]humanity not go to Edmunds (third planet)? Why did Coop have to go alone? I got the impression that they already knew what happened by the time he woke up. And even if they didn't, why did they not just go with Coop when he told them?[/sp]

[QUOTE=Robber;46464524]Why did [sp]humanity not go to Edmunds (third planet)? Why did Coop have to go alone? I got the impression that they already knew what happened by the time he woke up. And even if they didn't, why did they not just go with Coop when he told them?[/sp][/QUOTE] They still didn't have the data of Edmund's planet, so they weren't 100% sure if the third planet was good for habitation or not. But I guess the humanity will later on move there.

Personally, i think there are too many people who call this movie shit. It was great, and for all the things it did wrong [sp](Looking at you, black hole.)[/sp] It did 10 more right. I saw a review where the reviewer was saying that [sp]matched-velocity docking isn't possible, and that a planet with 1000 foot waves was uncreative.[/sp]

[QUOTE=ZnT00;46464795]Personally, i think there are too many people who call this movie shit. It was great, and for all the things it did wrong [sp](Looking at you, black hole.)[/sp] It did 10 more right. I saw a review where the reviewer was saying that [sp]matched-velocity docking isn't possible, and that a planet with 1000 foot waves was uncreative.[/sp][/QUOTE] The emotions in that scene felt very forced, but I actually liked the concept itself. [sp]4/5 dimensional beings creating a 3 dimensional representation of their 4 dimensional world is a very original concept and I think they visualized it really neatly. 90% of it only make sense when you keep in mind that it's all artificial though and there is obviously a lot of happening behind the scenes to make it possible for a human to actually use the higher dimensions to his advantage.[/sp]

Also, it was pretty clear-- to me atleast, that the whole [sp]"love conquers all" thing WAS just rambling from brand, as it is immediately made clear that cooper wasn't brought to the model of the 5th dimensional space by love, but by humans from a far future, with the ability to manipulate dimensions. They were also the ones to create the black hole, and etc.[/sp]

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;46461459]Saw the film yesterday and today I feel incredibly small and insignificant to the universe. Had a funny moment happen in my theater while watching, [sp]When Mann was trying to board Endurance and giving his long speech, he gave his last words, "there is a moment-" and while the ship exploded, someone yelled in the theater "AND THERE IT IS!"[/sp] :v: Also, I feel that [sp]Brand's affection for Edmund was really stupid and pointless to shove into the film. When faced with the choices of Mann's planet that had a signal but less promising and Edmund's that was more promising but had no signal, the obvious choice, regardless of who was on what planet, was the option with the best resources. It felt like, "oh yeah, Brand has feelings for Edmund so we'll not go to the best option because she's not thinking straight"[/sp][/QUOTE] No doubt. I'm reflecting on this shit and now I'm seeing stuff. Brand didn't get near enough characterization beforehand to break out with the [sp]love speech about Edmund. Thinking on it, I mean god, it feels so forced and out of left field. You can wave it off by "she's letting her feelings be known after Wes Bentley's death as she now realizes how vulnerable they are out here" but as I said she doesn't get near enough characterization to just come out with this shit.[/sp] Also, in a future where [sp]we have those automated combine harvesters, why does the world feel the need to create a whole bunch of farmers out of its citizens? They don't even do anything, Cooper spends his free time chasing down drones and drinking with John Lithgow they need maybe TWO farmers per farm and a handful of workers because the harvesters do all the heavy lifting. There's no reason schools need to now decide "you're either a farmer or you're not." [/sp] [editline]11th November 2014[/editline] And why the fuck did Wes Bentley just watch [sp]Brand get saved? There was nothing he could do he should've just got on the damn ship he didn't have to die dammit Bentley.[/sp] [editline]11th November 2014[/editline] I think somebody in this thread brought it up? But the whole [sp]"Crisis on earth and crisis in space" sequence could've been done so much better. We're supposed to have tension on earth because Murph's brother may or may not hurt or otherwise murder them or something? The only kind of hostile nature we got from him was "Get out, and don't come back" and now we have to take him as as big a threat as what Cooper is dealing with?[/sp]

Was the movie implying by the end that [sp]brand's colony was successful and was the source of the blackhole and the whole paradox or did i get that completely wrong ?[/sp] Either way, i give this a very good/10. Was very enjoyable and had some great moments, even with it's holes here and there.

[QUOTE=Warriorx4;46465060] I think somebody in this thread brought it up? But the whole [sp]"Crisis on earth and crisis in space" sequence could've been done so much better. We're supposed to have tension on earth because Murph's brother may or may not hurt or otherwise murder them or something? The only kind of hostile nature we got from him was "Get out, and don't come back" and now we have to take him as as big a threat as what Cooper is dealing with?[/sp][/QUOTE] well if murph was kicked out of the house how would she figure out the equation thing or realize her dad was communicating with her

Just came back from it, my god space porn at it's finest.

[QUOTE=drutehtkehs;46465544]well if murph was kicked out of the house how would she figure out the equation thing or realize her dad was communicating with her[/QUOTE] I don't think you understood what I said. I said it could've been done so much better because it's almost a false tension. [sp]The brother is portrayed as a threat alongside Cooper's trials. There's two different sources of tension/suspense here, on earth and in space. It is implied Murph's brother might hurt Topher Grace and Murph if he gets back before they're gone. This is out of nowhere, as the only instance of hostility we're shown from Casey Affleck is when he whispers to Murph "Get out and don't come back" only minutes before. What, we're supposed to believe the honest farmer son is supposed to now have it in him to beat the shit out of Murph?[/sp] Why not have the[sp]corn field catch on fire like the other guy's farm in the beginning, and then have a super dust storm come along with the winds blowing the fire towards the house?[/sp] It plays into the whole "nature is out of our control" shit.

no, it is implied the brother would do something to stop/get Murph out of the house

Yes. I understand that. I think it was silly to put it alongside the chilling scenes of Cooper [sp]crossing over the Event Horizon, inside the tesseract, etc.[/sp]

i guess

best scene of the movie: SPOILERS (duh) [video=youtube;e3sozCdGX4Y]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3sozCdGX4Y[/video]

too bad that quality is complete shit and its in russian

[QUOTE=Bathtub;46463669]that was my favorite part[/QUOTE] why

Just saw it today, had a question though for people who may have paid more attention than I did [sp]So how did this "future evolution of humanity" evolve so far when Cooper was the one who helped save humanity by sending a message across time to Murph? I thought humanity was going to die unless the plan was successful, but this future version of humanity had to exist to build the tesseract and give Cooper his window of opportunity.[/sp]

[QUOTE=Raidyr;46467051]Just saw it today, had a question though for people who may have paid more attention than I did [sp]So how did this "future evolution of humanity" evolve so far when Cooper was the one who helped save humanity by sending a message across time to Murph? I thought humanity was going to die unless the plan was successful, but this future version of humanity had to exist to build the tesseract and give Cooper his window of opportunity.[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]to be comfortable with most forms of sci-fi time travel you need to accept the concept of a stable time loop -- a closed loop in a timeline that has no one beginning or end, but always 'was' and always 'will be' the same. E.g. Terminator, where the fear of losing Sarah Connor necessitates sending back Kyle Reese to save her, which ends up with Sarah getting pregnant and having John, who is the one to send Reese back in the first place.[/sp] [sp]this isn't a very informative post on the subject but if you look it up you will find better explanations[/sp]

[QUOTE=DChapsfield;46467114][sp]to be comfortable with most forms of sci-fi time travel you need to accept the concept of a stable time loop -- a closed loop in a timeline that has no one beginning or end, but always 'was' and always 'will be' the same. E.g. Terminator, where the fear of losing Sarah Connor necessitates sending back Kyle Reese to save her, which ends up with Sarah getting pregnant and having John, who is the one to send Reese back in the first place.[/sp] [sp]this isn't a very informative post on the subject but if you look it up you will find better explanations[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]Worded like that it makes sense, I'm just wondering why Future Humans would go through all the effort of creating 3D representations of time and manipulating gravity across the gulf of time and space to save past humans. It seems like we make it just fine because those Future Humans, and by being guided by the Future Humans it seems like a divergent timeline is created. Unless I'm just over thinking it and the idea it that Cooper and Murph being successful allows for the future evolution of humanity to go back in time and rectify it's mistake endlessly? To reach that point they have to save humanity, then that humanity needs to save a successive one?[/sp]

[QUOTE=Raidyr;46467202][sp]Worded like that it makes sense, I'm just wondering why Future Humans would go through all the effort of creating 3D representations of time and manipulating gravity across the gulf of time and space to save past humans. It seems like we make it just fine because those Future Humans, and by being guided by the Future Humans it seems like a divergent timeline is created. Unless I'm just over thinking it and the idea it that Cooper and Murph being successful allows for the future evolution of humanity to go back in time and rectify it's mistake endlessly? To reach that point they have to save humanity, then that humanity needs to save a successive one?[/sp][/QUOTE] what no why would that happen

[QUOTE=Rakmon;46467296]what no why would that happen[/QUOTE] [sp]Why do the Future Evolved Human Whateverfuckits have to help save humanity in the first place if humanity survived long enough to evolve into Whateverfuckits?[/sp]

[QUOTE=Raidyr;46467354][sp]Why do the Future Evolved Human Whateverfuckits have to help save humanity in the first place if humanity survived long enough to evolve into Whateverfuckits?[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]It's a loop. Future humans save past humans so that they can evolve into the future humans. Who then save the past humans... and the loop goes on.[/sp]

[QUOTE=o DefcoN o;46467487][sp]It's a loop. Future humans save past humans so that they can evolve into the future humans. Who then save the past humans... and the loop goes on.[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]That's what I thought, thanks Chapsfield[/sp]

[QUOTE=Warriorx4;46465060] Also, in a future where [sp]we have those automated combine harvesters, why does the world feel the need to create a whole bunch of farmers out of its citizens? They don't even do anything, Cooper spends his free time chasing down drones and drinking with John Lithgow they need maybe TWO farmers per farm and a handful of workers because the harvesters do all the heavy lifting. There's no reason schools need to now decide "you're either a farmer or you're not." [/sp] [/QUOTE] Here's what I inferred from the movie on why it was how it was [sp]I feel they strongly implied that technology is regressing in human society. The whole "we ran out of food, not tvs" really sums up what this earth in our fictional future is like. We tell kids that we didn't go to the moon (maybe because we were incapable?) and despite being the future, a time and place where NASA has to be "rebooted" in secret away from society and the lack of any kind of technological things in the Cooper household besides a laptop strongly suggests we're going back to a 1800s like lifestyle of simple farms everywhere. Then you meet Cooper, whom from the start of the film, is pegged as a tech-savvy guy. One of the first thing you see him do is, with his unique tech-savvy, bring down an Indian drone plane. And what does he do with it? He salvages it for parts for combines and tractors. So I believe the "automated combine harvesters" aren't a common thing. In actuality, I think those few you see in the film are literally the only ones on the planet, jerry-rigged by Cooper and Cooper alone. I would not be surprised if much of the Earth in this future went back to horse and plow to farm. And because of this, they need more farmers. With the 21st century having well over half their population in cities as opposed to rural areas, the 22nd century (which I'm assuming this takes place in) needs to move a lot of population out of the cities and onto a technologically regressive rural setting.[/sp]

[sp]The combines also appeared rather rudimentary going off of the one shot of the inside and Coopers explanation of how he "fixed" them; simply resetting navigation settings. Harvesting isn't the only process of farming. You need to know things about the soil, how to distribute crops, water and air supply and quality, pollution, irrigation, pests, pesticides, diseases etc. Notice how when the teachers are talking about Tom, they call him a great student. Clearly farming whenever this film takes place is taken very importantly. Tom himself also mentions during the videos he sends to his father the classes he is taking on Biology. Add to this what Scorpious' point that Cooper is a particularly tech-savvy exception to the average farmer and it makes sense why shifting to an agrarian society was necessary.[/sp]

[QUOTE=thrawn2787;46466206]too bad that quality is complete shit and its in russian[/QUOTE] The Russian is fun. It lets me pretend I'm watching a completely different movie. There is enough raw footage in Interstellar that you could cut it together into several different movies...

[QUOTE=Raidyr;46467051]Just saw it today, had a question though for people who may have paid more attention than I did [sp]So how did this "future evolution of humanity" evolve so far when Cooper was the one who helped save humanity by sending a message across time to Murph? I thought humanity was going to die unless the plan was successful, but this future version of humanity had to exist to build the tesseract and give Cooper his window of opportunity.[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]I know time loops are mentioned constantly, but isn't it entirely possible that Plan B was always going to work, and the future humans are descendant from those guys? Who then wanted to save the people stuck on Earth for some reason.[/sp]

[QUOTE=Raidyr;46467051]Just saw it today, had a question though for people who may have paid more attention than I did [sp]So how did this "future evolution of humanity" evolve so far when Cooper was the one who helped save humanity by sending a message across time to Murph? I thought humanity was going to die unless the plan was successful, but this future version of humanity had to exist to build the tesseract and give Cooper his window of opportunity.[/sp][/QUOTE] They evolved that far by getting saved by themselves. That's how time travel works in Interstellar's universe. The same principle is applied in Futurama (which might be easier to understand). When Fry [sp]becomes his own grandpa or when the time travel binary appears on his ass. The loop has no origin, but each element in the loop works because of the previous element (the code exists because Bender brought it back in time because the code exists because Bender brought it back in time...)[/sp] [editline]12th November 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=meppers;46466145]best scene of the movie: SPOILERS (duh) [video=youtube;e3sozCdGX4Y]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3sozCdGX4Y[/video][/QUOTE] Blocked in my country :( There is an English sound version without video though: [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrt-L_9L3FI[/url] The soundtrack in that scene still gives me goosebumps.