Guitar Discussion Thread V7 - More strings the better - General

[QUOTE=Archy;28706628]perfect trying to teach a kid something other than smoke on the water, so if you guys have some other songs that would work post em please[/QUOTE] Teach someone Smoke on the Water on bass? You figure that out by ear.

[QUOTE=Pepin;28707620]With the bass you usually want to put a [i]high pass filter[/i] on it with a sharp slope and around the lowest note you'll be using. That way all the low bass tones that shouldn't be there get cut out, and you can still keep everything else.[/QUOTE] Ew no, res peaks. Unless it's a genuinely flat one sure but fuck that and just use an EQ or low-cut switch, a generic cut/res filter sounds spunky on guitars and such.

let me round it off a bit more. lets say im playing 80's heavey metal type music,with two guitars, a bass and drums. how would i mix it? would i have guitar 1 in the left channel and guitar 2 in the right?

[QUOTE=Mak123;28709280]let me round it off a bit more. lets say im playing 80's heavey metal type music,with two guitars, a bass and drums. how would i mix it? would i have guitar 1 in the left channel and guitar 2 in the right?[/QUOTE] Depends, I'd probably do something like a 40:60 or 30:70 bias with each part. It's not really a good idea to pan each guitar 100% to one direction unless you're really going for a strange effect.

[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;28708234]Ew no, res peaks. Unless it's a genuinely flat one sure but fuck that and just use an EQ or low-cut switch, a generic cut/res filter sounds spunky on guitars and such.[/QUOTE] What? It's very common practice for mixers to put a high pass filter on most everything, especially guitar tracks because they really mask the bass. I really don't know what you're talking about. [editline]20th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=TheGuru;28709483]Depends, I'd probably do something like a 40:60 or 30:70 bias with each part. It's not really a good idea to pan each guitar 100% to one direction unless you're really going for a strange effect.[/QUOTE] Hard panning of guitars is pretty common. It'd only create a weird effect if you were bad at tracking. A panning scheme like you propose would probably make things a lot more difficult because one channel would be noticeably louder than the other. It could work out, but generally you want to achieve a volume balance between the two channels.

There's nothing wrong with Ibanez guitars in the 300-400 GBP range. I have an AFS75T that I got for $450 (about 278 GBP) that's great. I've never heard cheaper Ibanez guitars are poorly quality controlled. Then again mine does have two humbuckers but it's a hollow body so you probably don't want that anyway.

[QUOTE=Teal Moose;28716566]There's nothing wrong with Ibanez guitars in the 300-400 GBP range. I have an AFS75T that I got for $450 (about 278 GBP) that's great. I've never heard cheaper Ibanez guitars are poorly quality controlled. Then again mine does have two humbuckers but it's a hollow body so you probably don't want that anyway.[/QUOTE] If I read correctly, they said that the quality is all over the place, so you could get a good one, but you could also end up with crap. You were a lucky one.

Yesterday I picked up my guitar for the first time in ages, ear tuned it somehow and just started playing. I wish I had more motivation to play more, it's so fun.

[QUOTE=Pepin;28712119]What? It's very common practice for mixers to put a high pass filter on most everything, especially guitar tracks because they really mask the bass. I really don't know what you're talking about.[/QUOTE] Sloppy terminology in this inexact science. Normally a "high pass filter", as in a distinct device which does nothing but filter, has a resonant peak somewhere for character's sake because that's how the old flawed hardware units work, unless they're set up to not have one at all or have one of variable size. Companies that got their head out of their ass and realized there'd be confusion with devices that have no capacity for a res peak and are entirely flat and started calling that a low cut. It's worth knowing the distinction so that if the kid doesn't have one on his mixer he doesn't accidentally end up with a blimpy bass when he tries to cut the sub range. [QUOTE=Pepin;28712119]Hard panning of guitars is pretty common.[/QUOTE] While this is true unless he's double tracking rhythm parts and can make the center sound solid enough to not be thin when the riddim moves wide, it's gonna sound hella shit.

Yeah, like I said it will be a hit and miss scenario.. even mexican fenders are hit and miss sometimes, though apparently not as frequently as some Ibanez series can be. Bearing in mind I'm basing this "view" on my friend's opinion who happens to be a seasoned guitar tech. I'm still looking around but I'm looking to buy locally so I can actually try the guitar(s) and make sure they're decent. I need to take 2 guitars to a tech to get them set up and get the nuts widened to fit gauge 12 and it's not cheap considering what's being done [I]but[/I] I can rest knowing I'll pretty much never need to adjust the guitar again after this tech has done his job.

My RG7321 was €500 when i bought it, the woods are amazing but the electronics were shit 'till i swapped pups.

If anyone remembers that Ibanez LP copy I posted last page, I realized that I misread the page. $283.33 is the savings, its like $530 normally. :smith: I guess I'll go with an Epiphone SG. Anyone know where I can find a SG G400 with a full pickguard or buy a full pickguard separately? Or is the G310 good? I'd most likely not be preforming, just playing with friends, by my self, and occasional recordings.

A full pickguard won't fit without some modifications. They do limited runs of full 'guarded G400s quite a lot from what I remember, or just cruise Craigslist til you find one

there's no right way to mix songs guys just general guidelines

[QUOTE=Dopey Trout;28717845]A full pickguard won't fit without some modifications. They do limited runs of full 'guarded G400s quite a lot from what I remember, or just cruise Craigslist til you find one[/QUOTE] What sort of modifications?

Drilling new screw holes, removing a pickup ring and doing some jiggery fuckery with the bridge. I don't fully know everything required but it is a decent body of work. It may be completely incompatible if I'm honest, but at the very least there are some issues

[QUOTE=Dopey Trout;28718477]Drilling new screw holes, removing a pickup ring and doing some jiggery fuckery with the bridge. I don't fully know everything required but it is a decent body of work. It may be completely incompatible if I'm honest, but at the very least there are some issues[/QUOTE] :smith: The only major difference I know between G400 and G310 is the 310 has a bolt-on Neck and the 400 is fixed. Is there anything else? because I know it's kinda dumb, but the pickguard really annoys me on the 400. I will try to find a full guarded g400 though, when I have $$$

[url]http://www.epiphone.com/default.asp?ProductID=308&CollectionID=19[/url] That's a full 'guarded G400, they do pop up now and again. IMO it's a safer bet

[QUOTE=Chaotic Lord;28718571]:smith: The only major difference I know between G400 and G310 is the 310 has a bolt-on Neck and the 400 is fixed. Is there anything else? because I know it's kinda dumb, but the pickguard really annoys me on the 400. I will try to find a full guarded g400 though, when I have $$$[/QUOTE] Just get a used Gibson SG for like 500... Also got my Black Strat Bridge in, it's quite nice.

[QUOTE=Siminov;28718861]Just get a used Gibson SG for like 500[/QUOTE] I'm not that rich buddy. If only..... [editline]20th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Dopey Trout;28718830][url]http://www.epiphone.com/default.asp?ProductID=308&CollectionID=19[/url] That's a full 'guarded G400, they do pop up now and again. IMO it's a safer bet[/QUOTE] Thanks, I'll keep that in mind.

[QUOTE=absinthe;28718020]there's no right way to mix songs guys just general guidelines[/QUOTE] More like there are standards that are the "correct" way but other ways of mixing aren't incorrect.

so as I said general guidelines

No, there are industry standards for mixing music. That are a set definition of rules, almost a "science" to how sounds work in conjunction and around eachother that serious mixers take into consideration.. but if you want to mix a song where everythings weird/panned/stereo/mono etc then you're not doing it wrong you're just leaving the norm but then usually you're doing that as part of a gimmick, concept or theme for a song like panning guitar effects left and right, adding weird reverb effects and stuff.

[QUOTE=Pepin;28712119]What? It's very common practice for mixers to put a high pass filter on most everything, especially guitar tracks because they really mask the bass. I really don't know what you're talking about. [editline]20th March 2011[/editline] Hard panning of guitars is pretty common. It'd only create a weird effect if you were bad at tracking. A panning scheme like you propose would probably make things a lot more difficult because one channel would be noticeably louder than the other. It could work out, but generally you want to achieve a volume balance between the two channels.[/QUOTE] I meant like this: You have 2 guitar tracks. Pan track one 70% to the left, so you have 30% in the right. Pan track 2 70% to the right, so you have 30% in the left. ---------left--right-- track 1: 70 30 track 2: 30 70 Assuming both tracks are similar volume it will sound pretty balanced. Of course, they probably wont be exactly the same and you should adjust accordingly. That's how I like to do it anyway, it gives you a basic sense of location in a stereo setup but keeps the volume consistent.

[QUOTE=LasGunz;28719668]No, there are industry standards for mixing music. That are a set definition of rules, almost a "science" to how sounds work in conjunction and around eachother that serious mixers take into consideration.. but if you want to mix a song where everythings weird/panned/stereo/mono etc then you're not doing it wrong you're just leaving the norm but then usually you're doing that as part of a gimmick, concept or theme for a song like panning guitar effects left and right, adding weird reverb effects and stuff.[/QUOTE] guideline and standard must mean different things outside of the usa

[QUOTE=Chaotic Lord;28718964]I'm not that rich buddy. If only..... [editline]20th March 2011[/editline] Thanks, I'll keep that in mind.[/QUOTE] Well a G400 is $400 and an actual SG is $500-$550 You can't like wait a month?

[QUOTE=Siminov;28720649]Well a G400 is $400 and an actual SG is $500-$550 You can't like wait a month?[/QUOTE] Nope. I'm very Impatient. :buddy: and I don't have a job,the only ones I can get are Mcdonalds and shoprite, and they're filled. :sigh: and I get a $2/week allowance. :smith: It's not even worth asking for.

[QUOTE=absinthe;28720513]guideline and standard must mean different things outside of the usa[/QUOTE] you said "general guideline" i said "industry standard" a general guideline might give you a rough idea of what to do, I even posted some about knowing where in the sound space certain frequencies lie.. usually half of the drums and bass guitar is in low frequencies, snare, vocals, cymbals in the highs etc but an industry standard would be a nearly set in stone rule for doing what it is you do when you mix. stop being a cunt and replying to everything i say with some sarky comment.

I guess what I meant was that you can use your "industry standards" as my "general guidlines" and that nothing is 100% set in stone I think we're unknowingly arguing slightly different points [editline]21st March 2011[/editline] oh and it's snarky not sarky

i said and meant sarky. sarky -> sarcastic sarky comment sarcastic comment