Guitar Discussion Thread V7 - More strings the better - General

Making something with simple tools does not make the act of making it simple. But something tells me you're a bit of a sanctimonious cretin. Bending the sides of an acoustic is based around the elasticity of wood when it has been steamed. Therefore you CAN achieve it with an iron and a wooden template in the correct shape you are forming. Advanced steam benders are based around the exact same concept just with more specialised tools, but are not necessary for simple results or infrequent usage. The doming on the back of an acoustic is a result of bracing, which in and of itself is a much more complex part of acoustic building as you have to counteract top flexibility and reverberation with string tension. Too much bracing and it won't resonate, too little and it's unstable. Carving is also necessary but completely possible with basic carving tools such as chisels. [QUOTE=BassB;28754045]and somehow get the construction inside the guitar all set up.[/QUOTE] Okay I think this pretty much establishes you have little to no understanding of what goes into building an acoustic

advanced steam benders are based on steam, irons are based on a hot metal surface. you can simply not achieve a correct guitar shape. stop trying to make this look simple, making an acoustic guitar requires very advanced tools, you can simply not do this with an iron and template. me, being a drummer, know my share of things about making snaredrums, essentially wooden cylinders with hardware attached to them. bending this wood is so hard people have to actually build elaborate constructions to steam and bend the shells of the drum. the point is, the drum is just round, and only bent one way. going back to guitars, you have to do this too, only in 3 ways, an iron can not do this for both sides of the wood will have to be steamed, and i mean thoroughly steamed. you try to brace a back of a guitar like that, thats not going to happen without years of experience. also stop attacking me personally, thanks.

I'm not saying sit an iron on the wood, iron's function based on boiling water, producing steam. You can steam a piece of wood to the point of flexibility with an iron, I know people who have done it. Remember also that a snare drum is a considerably thicker piece of wood overall than the side of an acoustic which will be maybe 1-2 millimetres at final thickness. I apologise for personal attacks but I still don't think you have done much research into actually building an acoustic guitar I respect that you're trying to help but at the end of the day there is nothing particularly [i]magical[/i] in what a skilled acoustic builder will do, it's just a very VERY high understanding of what building an acoustic entails. Provided you have access to an accurate source, such as the books which are available, or the reputable sites which are also available, you can make something which will get you started. I'm not saying that someone's first build with the aid of some books will be up there with Benedetto or Ervin Somogyi, but the basic understanding of everything that goes into building an acoustic is readily available. The rest is based on practice and understanding, which you can only earn one way

a snare drum is not thicker, i have seen snare drums made with shells of mere millimeters, actually i own one of them, drums like these do have reinforcement rings placed in them afterwards, but nevertheless, are much much harder to make, since single ply wood is near impossible to bend controlled. the problem with an iron is that it will heat one side considerably more, not giving you the ability to freely bend it, if you really really try you can bend a piece of wood with an iron, but never in a specific way like a guitar. i have not done much research in making acoustic guitars per se, but i have in woodcraft, especially in drums. and i can simply not sit here agreeing with "you can make a guitar at home" unless you have a LOT of leftover money and a few years of spare time, you're not going to make an acoustic guitar. also 1000th post, yey 1000 until gold

Based upon a cursory Google search, a snare drum's shell is considered thin at roughly 5mm, which is still nearly two and a half times the thickness for the sides, back and top of an acoustic at final thickness, and I can see why it would be exceedingly difficult to steam a 5mm thick piece of wood to the degree required. Like I say, I haven't built an acoustic, but I know people who have using the methods I've posted (maybe lacking some specifics, it's been a while), so we will have to agree to disagree on it not being possible, because I have seen it done with simple tools provided the understanding is there

Gotta work on my improv, it's getting stale any tips

[img]http://liveassets.rationalpathinc.netdna-cdn.com/usercontent/gear/2817272/p2_u4u2uc3wu_so.jpg[/img] ohmygodohmygodohmygod A guitar store near where I live has one for $1750, and it was originally owned by the owner of the store who used to be a member of Blue Oyster Cult.

people always like to exploit sizes, there are snaredrums that are considerabally thinner than a regular acoustic guitar, but that aside. keep in mind a snaredrums shell's shape is extremely simple compared to an acoustig guitar, it does not have a top or bottom thats has to be (under great pressure) attached to every other part, like the guitar back for example. i find it highly doubtable someone made a guitar using simple tools like that. but i will leave it at that. my initial point still stands however, jadenrosh is underestimated and i am positive that he does not have the tools required, or has means for buying them. [editline]23rd March 2011[/editline] guitar above is sexy as fuck, buy it. first time i saw a 12 string electric hollowbody

[QUOTE=BassB;28755181]people always like to exploit sizes, there are snaredrums that are considerabally thinner than a regular acoustic guitar, but that aside. keep in mind a snaredrums shell's shape is extremely simple compared to an acoustig guitar, it does not have a top or bottom thats has to be (under great pressure) attached to every other part, like the guitar back for example. i find it highly doubtable someone made a guitar using simple tools like that. but i will leave it at that. my initial point still stands however, jadenrosh is underestimated and i am positive that he does not have the tools required, or has means for buying them. [editline]23rd March 2011[/editline] guitar above is sexy as fuck, buy it. first time i saw a 12 string electric hollowbody[/QUOTE] Semihollow. [editline]22nd March 2011[/editline] It's been in the store for around 7 months, originally was up for $2300, but they've obviously lowered it since then. If they get it down to <$1500, i just might get it.

ehm... yeah thats what i meant, it's a body and it's hollow. i always get confused.

There's a difference, gosh. :v:

I'm not a drummer, but all the information I can find on Google point to snare drums which are classed as "thin" being roughly 5mms. I find it hard to believe that a snare drum can be thinner than the side of an acoustic, but that's neither here nor there. Snare drums go up in thickness to at least 12.5mm, I can understand why very specific equipment would be required in that case, but I find it incredibly hard to believe the same for something 2 or less millimetres thick, You're right, he probably doesn't, but I still find your original post incredibly standoffish and unhelpful considering there's no harm in pointing him in the right direction, even if it ends up that he does feel it's out of his reach at the moment, it's better he understands why it might be

well i think our argument provided him with the information he needs to decide whether he can build it or not :v: [editline]23rd March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Pvt. Banana;28755286]There's a difference, gosh. :v:[/QUOTE] actually i'm genuinely interested, i understand there is a difference, but what is it exactly

Hollowbodies are built in a similar fashion to acoustics (pretty much every jazz guitar), semi hollow guitars will have a solid section, normally a stripe running from the neck joint to the strap pin with hollow wings (Gibson ES335)

[QUOTE=Pvt. Banana;28755151][img_thumb]http://liveassets.rationalpathinc.netdna-cdn.com/usercontent/gear/2817272/p2_u4u2uc3wu_so.jpg[/img_thumb] ohmygodohmygodohmygod A guitar store near where I live has one for $1750, and it was originally owned by the owner of the store who used to be a member of Blue Oyster Cult.[/QUOTE] Get him to fucking sign that shit, buy it. Sell it for double... Also I derpd, Put standard bridge in a vintage body, need to make custom backplate :gonk:

Is that a twelve string?

[QUOTE=Siminov;28755701]Get him to fucking sign that shit, buy it. Sell it for double... Also I derpd, Put standard bridge in a vintage body, need to make custom backplate :gonk:[/QUOTE] John Lennon bought a guitar here, and Paul McCartney had repairs done there on his Hofner. This place is legen-wait for it...

Tis. It's based on the model one of The Beatles had designed for him, with the smaller headstock and two arrays of tuners to make it look like he was only playing a 6 string (I believe :v:)

Oh god get it away from me Too many striiiiingggs

[QUOTE=En-Guage V2;28755812]Oh god get it away from me Too many striiiiingggs[/QUOTE] -dary.

I just bought a smashing little overdrive pedal. Really small not very common brand but its the best Ibanez TS9 clone I've ever heard. It's called the Biyang OD-8 [img]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_fuks9sHYuiI/TA_HeG29TkI/AAAAAAAAAD4/pkGzf-65rqc/s1600/Biyang+OD-8+XDrive.jpg[/img] It has 3 chips in it, one of them is a carbon copy of the Ibanez Tubescreamer that folk like SRV used but then it has 2 other chips in it that allow you to shape your tone more to your liking if you don't just want to completely emulate that SRV-texas blues tone. Here's a demo of it compared to the TS9 [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSa4_GPLNVY[/media] Should arrive on Thursday or Friday, I'm so excited for it. I've been wanting to buy more [I]effect[/I] pedals but so for I've found my self buying tone shaping pedals which is more important but I need to start buying the actual effects I want. Yee.

Wow, I feel like a pompous ass in my band sometimes. It's like I make a riff and the bassist goes "fucking awesome riff man" then he tries to play it, and he gets it right, but then his hand cramps up because "it's so fucking fast" an I don't blame him for it. He works as a semiprofessional in studios and live, playing rock and roll bass and shit like that. Maybe it's just me

So, I got this guitar back in december, still haven't gone to any class or anything but I keep practicing, but meanwhile the strings keep rusting, ughhh, what's a nice way to make the strings last further? Every time I use the guitar I clean the strings with a towel or paper to get rid of most of the sweat. Oh and what's a way to get the fingers to move more quickly? They are at least quicker than when I first played it, but they're still hell slow.

[QUOTE=Broryt;28756340]So, I got this guitar back in december, still haven't gone to any class or anything but I keep practicing, but meanwhile the strings keep rusting, ughhh, what's a nice way to make the strings last further? Every time I use the guitar I clean the strings with a towel or paper to get rid of most of the sweat. Oh and what's a way to get the fingers to move more quickly? They are at least quicker than when I first played it, but they're still hell slow.[/QUOTE] I dunno how well these work for acoustic strings (and I think they actually destroy nylon strings) but I know on my electric I use these string wipes that Ernie Ball puts out when my strings get grimy but aren't dead enough (or snapping) for me to replace them.

Am I the only one who doesn't like Rickenbackers as guitars? They're okay for basses, but I don't like how the guitars look.

Guys I need a suggestion on a decent distortion pedal to get, more for rock and blues as opposed to metal and heavier stuff, so something that can give you a light distortion or overdrive or whatever would be helpful I know next to nothing about pedals

[QUOTE=killerteacup;28756635]Guys I need a suggestion on a decent distortion pedal to get, more for rock and blues as opposed to metal and heavier stuff, so something that can give you a light distortion or overdrive or whatever would be helpful I know next to nothing about pedals[/QUOTE] What kind of amp do you have? (Tube or solid-state is the most important factor here)

What's your budget?

[QUOTE=SolidSnake52;28756651]What kind of amp do you have? (Tube or solid-state is the most important factor here)[/QUOTE] Solid-state as as far as I'm aware. Its a modelling amp - cube 20X, but I'm using birthday money for this and I need a job before I consider buying a good amp. My budget is around $200 AUS, which is probably still $200 US though i don't know about the possibility of importing and how that will affect the way things work out. I'd like to go cheaper however, because I want to grab an equaliser pedal if I can, but only if I need to. I don't know about importing pedals from the US, if anyone in Australia has done that and could tell me about it that would also be a great help.

[QUOTE=deggie;28753977]I've never seen a handcrafted acoustic who even makes those[/QUOTE] [media]http://www.instructables.com/image/FS1131QG9NH8M0W/Popsicle-stick-guitar.jpg[/media] This is made out of [url=http://www.instructables.com/id/Popsicle-stick-guitar/]Popsicle sticks[/url]. It can be done.