Guitar Discussion Thread V7 - More strings the better - General

[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;28817777]Because you CAN'T. Jesus H. Christ, this isn't hard to figure out. 12 notes per octave, 479,001,600 combinations of these. Non-dissonant (read: most non sucky) combinations number 36. Even using 479k combinations people have looked at and written all possible sets one can make before they begin to loop back into another set. Using the 36 that actually get any play, they've got what sounds good to a science. Then you don't actually know what the fuck you're talking about, sorry, and ought to get your terminology straight before you say anything else this dumb. Again, melody =/= chord progression. What you're not getting, and what's embarrassingly silly about this, is that no one "discovers" a good chord progression. If you're talking about the 36 standard chords and typical progressions of the same (you will not use anything else on a guitar because in most cases the remaining thousands are completely unplayable and sound like noise), it's a virtual guarantee that you've heard almost or all of them at one point, unless you live under a rock. There's a reason why progressions that sound good sound good, and a science to this, and taking advantage of what the nerds of old did and looking at preexisting progressions and why they stick with people isn't inhibiting to creativity but enabling it in [i]every other facet of music.[/i] Stop criticizing basic writing advice because your position is indefensible.[/QUOTE] There's no point in arguing with either of you guys. You really don't get what I'm saying. I KNOW chord progressions are limited down to a certain number, but please refrain from putting art into an exact science. I understand theory, i'm not here to argue the difference between a melody and chord progression (which a chord progression CAN BE A MELODY, jesus christ) Stop giving examples saying, lolz I know the math, i'm right. No, you're not right. Music is art, stop shitting all over it. fuck, you guys are such little kids sometimes. Let me say it again. A chord progression with added scale degrees and pulloffs, via pinky, (espeically minor and major 7's) can define the melody of a song. If you know your theory, and have a vision in your head, you can find it on the fretboard. THIS is what i'm saying. Yes, there are a finite number of chords, yes there are a finite number of chord progressions, BUT if you know what the fuck your talking about theoretically, and you have a vision, this vision becomes possible on the fretboard, and thus..... Unique to you. It's your vision, it's art, get the fuck over it. Done. I refuse to argue any further for fucks sake

[QUOTE=Nonikai;28821457]Dean master race reporting in[/QUOTE] Squier is the true master race

[QUOTE=Toveri;28822817]Squier is the true master race[/QUOTE] PRS. :colbert:

I now remember why I hate changing strings on my acoustic. FUCKING PEGS GOD DAMN. One of them flew across the room, couldn't find it. I had to go buy a new set, and the guy at the store suggested ebony ones. They were like 7 bucks more, but they didn't pop out, even once. [editline]26th March 2011[/editline] I need to get an ovation with the bridge that the strings go through

Maestro is true master race. :hitler:

[QUOTE=Chaotic Lord;28827679]Maestro is true master race. :hitler:[/QUOTE] If you're talking about this kind of Maestro (and I know you're not), then you'd be on to something... [img]http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y79/HiwattBob/0f963e90.jpg[/img]

[IMG]http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn314/Mutiny_Art/DSCN0478.jpg[/IMG] My gweetar.

[QUOTE=Whatwhat1337;28828983]If you're talking about this kind of Maestro (and I know you're not), then you'd be on to something... [img_thumb]http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y79/HiwattBob/0f963e90.jpg[/img_thumb][/QUOTE] I'm not. [url=http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Maestro+by+Gibson+-+6-String+Double-Cutaway+Electric+Guitar/9365652.p?id=1218092152724&skuId=9365652&st=MESGWRCH3&cp=1&lp=1&ci_src=11138&AID=10474050&PID=4166869&SID=1x4h745exi314&URL=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bestbuy.com%2Fsite%2FMaestro%2Bby%2BGibson%2B-%2B6-String%2BDouble-Cutaway%2BElectric%2BGuitar%2F9365652.p%3Fid%3D1218092152724%26skuId%3D9365652%26st%3DMESGWRCH3%26cp%3D1%26lp%3D1%26ci_src%3D11138&ref=39&CJPID=4166869&loc=01]THIS[/url] is what I'm talking about. :downs:

[QUOTE=Loompa Lord;28822480]Done. I refuse to argue any further for fucks sake[/QUOTE] Good, because you just definitively proved you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. [QUOTE=Mr. Bleak;28821171]Oh god I want to learn the tab for [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KF9J0eTRq8[/media] But they are very underground and I've only been playing guitar for a few months, so I can't nearly play by ear.[/QUOTE] Is this a request? Because I'm pretty sure more than one of us could have a go at it.

[QUOTE=Chaotic Lord;28829348]I'm not. [url=http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Maestro+by+Gibson+-+6-String+Double-Cutaway+Electric+Guitar/9365652.p?id=1218092152724&skuId=9365652&st=MESGWRCH3&cp=1&lp=1&ci_src=11138&AID=10474050&PID=4166869&SID=1x4h745exi314&URL=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bestbuy.com%2Fsite%2FMaestro%2Bby%2BGibson%2B-%2B6-String%2BDouble-Cutaway%2BElectric%2BGuitar%2F9365652.p%3Fid%3D1218092152724%26skuId%3D9365652%26st%3DMESGWRCH3%26cp%3D1%26lp%3D1%26ci_src%3D11138&ref=39&CJPID=4166869&loc=01]THIS[/url] is what I'm talking about. :downs:[/QUOTE] I'd actually like to buy one of those just to use as a test mule for electronics and hardware mods. Am I out of my mind, or is this a worthwhile idea? I've got plenty of money to dump into it...

[QUOTE=Whatwhat1337;28830272]I'd actually like to buy one of those just to use as a test mule for electronics and hardware mods. Am I out of my mind, or is this a worthwhile idea? I've got plenty of money to dump into it...[/QUOTE] I'd say go for it. It's inexpensive, all the wiring is pretty much attached to the pickguard, except for the ground, there's a cavity where a second pickup could fit. It comes with an amp so you could harvest from that too. And also for the price it's not that bad of a guitar. I replaced the stock pickup with a $20 one off ebay cause I kinda destroyed it :v:. sounds good still. Though my recordings certainly don't show it

That's good to know. I'm a big fan of the SG style in general (I have a Classic w/ P-90s), and the cheap price + simplicity + durability (bolt on neck, poly finish, etc) is all attractive to me. The big thing is I want to get into modifying and repairing guitars, but I don't want to risk fucking up my $1,000 Gibson, for obvious reasons...

The one think i want to replace on mine, is the input jack thing. I don't know the proper name. but it seems I have to bend it back into place every few weeks. [img]http://avatars.fpcontent.net/image.php?u=349127&dateline=1299467783[/img]:respek:[img]http://avatars.fpcontent.net/image.php?u=92782&dateline=1205044018[/img] SG buddies! :v:

[QUOTE=Chaotic Lord;28830768]The one think i want to replace on mine, is the input jack thing. I don't know the proper name. but it seems I have to bend it back into place every few weeks. [img_thumb]http://avatars.fpcontent.net/image.php?u=349127&dateline=1299467783[/img_thumb]:respek:[img_thumb]http://avatars.fpcontent.net/image.php?u=92782&dateline=1205044018[/img_thumb] SG buddies! :v:[/QUOTE] I have an Epiphone SG-310. It was my starter guitar, lasted me a good solid 2.5-ish years. Now I exclusively play my Paul Allender PRS SE, but I want to mod the SG with either EMG's or some high-output DiMarzios, slap on some .012's, and leave it in C#-standard (and only tune down from there) so I have a good guitar for downtuned material.

[QUOTE=Schmaaa;28807026]Does anyone here know how tube amps work? I know the difference between them and solid state amps and digitals, but I've never actually known how they work and what the tubes are for.[/QUOTE] Kinda forgot to reply sorry. Yes, and how much detail do you need? I can give you a chart on reading block diagrams and a link to a schematic of an amplifier and reference material, but the quick and dirty of it is: -All distortion comes from clipping a signal (got louder than it ought have the top and bottom of the waveform was clipped) -If you do this with a device not meant to distort something in a musical way (turning up a mixing deck or preamp too loud) it basically makes the guitar sound like ass, though some people like the harshness -Vacuum tubes do so in a way that is imprecise but has a very musical character from that imprecision with rounded clipping akin to a good compressor (and envied enough that there are purpose-designed "saturators" out there just to imitate this) and emphasizing proper harmonics/transients/all that shit -Solid-state amps use transistors and, while capable of the same nasty distortion as mixers and shit do when they clip, are normally designed to imitate tube amps to make them sound less assy. The end result is some people thinking some sound just like tube amps, other people thinking some sound completely different and grittier/noisier than tube amps (which can be desired), and everyone agreeing the cheap ones sound like wet ass. -Digital modeling amps don't use transistors or vacuum tubes for their distortion, but instead a simulation of the same. Which either results in something completely indistinguishable from a real tube amp on good models (which has been scientifically tested so anyone claiming otherwise is bullshitting) or the completely unlistenable sound of fifty cats being beaten to death with hacksaws (not scientifically proven but unquestioned by anyone in the biz.) Unless you meant not how they all function from that perspective (I guess I don't know what "knowing the difference" means in context, knowing what the difference is in operation or construction?) but electrically, which is basically that they act as rectifiers (one-way path of electricity for turning AC to DC) which tend to be unbelievably shitty at low power applications and amazing in high power applications. How tubes in a tube amp actually make the signal in question louder is a bit awkward to describe without getting into the nitty-gritty shit and I don't think I really can without mentioning laws and equations and shit and even then it basically comes out to "they do because they do", or "thermionic emission blugga blah child's law hooga boo avoiding intermodulation distortion chugga wugga everything I said earlier." You can more on that aspect here: [url]http://www.vacuumtubes.net/How_Vacuum_Tubes_Work.htm[/url] With the nitty-gritty-shitty technical explanation that does cover why they have a "musical" quality in their gain here: [url]http://www.radau5.ch/pdf_files/tube_b.pdf[/url]

[QUOTE=SolidSnake52;28820221]Do you believe in bending? Like, at all? Because anything more than .010's and my fingers really start to hurt.[/QUOTE] Use .13s for a while, bend a lot, develop biceps in your fingers, become a god.

[QUOTE=Chaotic Lord;28830768]The one think i want to replace on mine, is the input jack thing. I don't know the proper name. but it seems I have to bend it back into place every few weeks. [img_thumb]http://avatars.fpcontent.net/image.php?u=349127&dateline=1299467783[/img_thumb]:respek:[img_thumb]http://avatars.fpcontent.net/image.php?u=92782&dateline=1205044018[/img_thumb] SG buddies! :v:[/QUOTE] Output jack, actually. The input is in the amp (or device in between). You could get a replacement for dirt cheap; it's a very common electronic part, probably available at RadioShack, BestBuy, et cetera. I actually went about 2 years without hardly playing at all (various reasons, some of them personal) and I've just started to get back into playing these past several weeks. I'm probably nowhere near as good as most of the other dudes in this thread, but I'll be back up to speed soon enough. It's not a race for me.

As much of a Strat enthusiast I am.. I kind of want a Les Paul. Something I never thought I'd want. I dont have an opinion of them or anything, I just never really liked them in general but now I kind of want one but I don't like Epiphone too much, I'd like to spash out and get a Gibson but the cheapest one I can get locally is 700 quid. I hate Juniors too so I won't even go there (They look awful). One thing I always hated about Gibson and Epiphone style guitars is the shorter scale too, it all seems too close together on the fretboard.

[QUOTE=LasGunz;28833142]One thing I always hated about Gibson and Epiphone style guitars is the shorter scale too, it all seems too close together on the fretboard.[/QUOTE] I never really put much thought into that, actually. Then again, I don't do much stuff that high on the scale so that's not really surprising. I do like that fact that string tension seems to be reduced, which is nice for bending. I'm a diehard Gibson fanboy, but I've got a soft spot for Tele's and actually own a Strat myself, so what do I know...

I honestly feel like I'm playing a toy guitar when I pick up a Les Paul, it can be OK sometimes but when I actually realise how short it is compared to my strats I start getting confused and play chords in the wrong place because my hand naturally goes to where I think it should be on a Strat neck and not on a short LP neck.

[QUOTE=LasGunz;28833209]I honestly feel like I'm playing a toy guitar when I pick up a Les Paul, it can be OK sometimes but when I actually realise how short it is compared to my strats I start getting confused and play chords in the wrong place because my hand naturally goes to where I think it should be on a Strat neck and not on a short LP neck.[/QUOTE] Hm, probably you are just really accustomed to the Fender scale and style of neck. I've played both kinds in equal amounts, so I don't really notice too big of difference. I will say that the best playing guitar I've ever played is my SG Classic. Beauty and beast. I love it... I got into them because of Pete Townshend (and to a lesser extent, Clapton and Iommi) and realized they were on to something. I don't think I'll ever get rid of it, even if I lose both my hands and could never play again... I will say, I do kinda get a "toy" feeling out of an LP, mostly because I'm a big guy (6'2", 225lbs) and the body just seems small on me, more so than about any other guitar I've played. Not 100% sure why.

Idea I had an hour ago. [url]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5847609/MS%20Intro.mp3[/url] Been playing for less than a year.

If that's a recording of you playing guitar, you can't have seriously been playing for only 1 year

[QUOTE=TheGuru;28833697]If that's a recording of you playing guitar, you can't have seriously been playing for only 1 year[/QUOTE] I have been playing for around a year. Listen to a lot of technical bands, though. :P

Might have to make a shim for my custom's neck, the bridge is in lowest etc, but there is a huge gap with the strings. The E and A string are on it, and everything else is finished!

[QUOTE=Variant;28833746]I have been playing for around a year. Listen to a lot of technical bands, though. :P[/QUOTE] Should be largely irrelevant, being able to play tightly is something that is usually gained over the course of at least several years of playing. Well done anyway, you must just be a complete natural.

[QUOTE=Variant;28829243][img_thumb]http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn314/Mutiny_Art/DSCN0478.jpg[/img_thumb] My gweetar.[/QUOTE] 2003 RG7321 model with mods? :love:

Correct. DiMarzio Blaze in the bridge.

[QUOTE=Variant;28834004]Correct. DiMarzio Blaze in the bridge.[/QUOTE] That is an amazing pickup, i have the Crunch Lab & LiquiFire set in mine, really amazing although the Crunch Lab isn't as versatile as the Blaze:buddy:

[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;28817777]Because you CAN'T. Jesus H. Christ, this isn't hard to figure out. 12 notes per octave, 479,001,600 combinations of these. Non-dissonant (read: most non sucky) combinations number 36. Even using 479k combinations people have looked at and written all possible sets one can make before they begin to loop back into another set. Using the 36 that actually get any play, they've got what sounds good to a science.[/QUOTE] Maybe he wants to write a chord progression that hasn't been used that much, making it virtually unique? [QUOTE=Shibbey;28818720].010s are plenty for E-standard, only look into thicker if you down tune.[/QUOTE] I play .013, but I'm originally a bassist.