Guitar Discussion Thread V7 - More strings the better - General

I have been thinking of different ways to do whammy effects, without traditional locking, floating or regular bridges. With electronics improving, you may be able to have the effects modelled to precision without effecting the strings at all. But all traditional methods start at the bridge, has no one tried a hinged headstock.

Why not get the Digitech Wammy? It's an amazing bit of pedal technology.

[QUOTE=Kab2tract;28847671]You probably wouldn't want the LP because it is just an Epiphone, but is decent. The Explorer is quite nice, and so is my custom.[/QUOTE] Yes, I'd want the LP because It's way better than what I've got now.:v:

[QUOTE=LasGunz;28861563]Why not get the Digitech Wammy? It's an amazing bit of pedal technology.[/QUOTE] Would that work with bass, I'm looking for something to make obnoxious noises with.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqxVqs99-Uw[/media] Obnoxious without a doubt

Got my neck today, so all I need is my neckplate, pickup screws, strap locks, and tuners. :v:

[QUOTE=Siminov;28864297]Got my neck today, so all I need is my neckplate, pickup screws, strap locks, and tuners. :v:[/QUOTE] List off all the stuff you have, and the things you need.

[b]I have[/b] Body Neck Pickguard Pickups Input jack Bridge All wiring done Tuners String tree nut [b]Need[/b] Tuners (different set) String Tree (different set) Strap Locks (being shipped) Pickguard Screws (being shipped) Neck Plate (being shipped) Back cover (possibly) [b]Need to do[/b] Drilling the holes for the pickguard onto the actual body. Drilling holes for 10mm tuners Installing everything Strings and setup

[QUOTE=Siminov;28868329][b]I have[/b] Body Neck Pickguard Pickups Input jack Bridge All wiring done Tuners String tree nut [b]Need[/b] Tuners (different set) String Tree (different set) Strap Locks (being shipped) Pickguard Screws (being shipped) Neck Plate (being shipped) Back cover (possibly) [b]Need to do[/b] Drilling the holes for the pickguard onto the actual body. Drilling holes for 10mm tuners Installing everything Strings and setup[/QUOTE] Alright, can't wait to see it done.

[QUOTE=Kingy_why;28861943]Would that work with bass, I'm looking for something to make obnoxious noises with.[/QUOTE] I know this guy who uses two crybaby wahs for his bass. Talking about obnoxious sounds

[QUOTE=LasGunz;28861012]I want the Boss Fender Deluxe Reverb modelling pedal, it does a great job of emulating the sound of the amp because it works as a pre-amp instead of some shoddy EQ.[/QUOTE] Heh, I was just checking those out today at Best Buy. I'm gonna get the '59 Bassman model one of these days, use it for my shoddy covers of The Who (Townshend used a Bassman in the studio from '71 to about '77-'78).

Okay, I guess I'm back to actually needing advice re: my Agile's sucky pups. I've spent a good amount of time EQ'ing and tweaking what comes out of my guitar and I can't get around it- the stock EMGs have too wide and unwieldy of a frequency range per note without offing the tone pot, and while it sounds thick as fuck on single tones or simple intervals the moment you play anything even slightly dissonant (like, you know, any real chord on our inherently imperfectly tuned instrument of choice) through distortion it sounds like a lawnmower. I know, more than one of you said this was coming when I bought the damn thing. I'm an empirical kind of guy, independent verification and all that. While I was considering Blackouts as a quickie replacement before I also realized recently that: A) I am not ever going to swap pickups mid-recording session as long as I have a trem, making the speed of replacement moot B) I'm not just buying another guit with a brighter wood type until I've actually put this one to extensive use, so it needs some versatility in the mean time So while Blackouts remain an option they're no longer the [i]only[/i] thing I'm considering- I'm cool with wiring in passives, so I'm open to anything reasonably priced or actually available right now (no Bareknuckles or Q-Tuners.) Unfortunately I know jack shit about Dimarzios and the like, and hearing terms like "scooped" associated with a few is a huge turnoff- I don't want something doing a broad EQ'ing for me, I just want my notes to be thinner without having to play on .9's and with light gain. But feel free to tell me it's not that bad and they'd work well or whatever. Tl;dr: Recommend me two 7-string 'buckers for a mahogany Interceptor that: -Don't sound too muddy when playing complex intervals with distortion -Still sound nice and thick and "wall of sound"-suited, just more articulate -Can be active or passive, gain isn't really an issue -If they have decent cleans or low gain tone (without coil tapping preferably) it's a huge bonus but not a necessity Right now I'm considering the Blackouts, the standard EMG clean-up options like an 81-7 in the neck or X series combo ('cuz fuck learning from any this) and kinda tepidly looking at the Dimarzio X2N-7/D-Activator/PAF 7. They sound a bit too far in the thin direction to me just now, but the examples on their page are kinda shit. I'm going to try one more layering workaround in the mean time, but I do kinda need to record something soonish and I'd like to have this solved by then.

[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;28869939]Okay, I guess I'm back to actually needing advice re: my Agile's sucky pups. I've spent a good amount of time EQ'ing and tweaking what comes out of my guitar and I can't get around it- the stock EMGs have too wide and unwieldy of a frequency range per note without offing the tone pot, and while it sounds thick as fuck on single tones or simple intervals the moment you play anything even slightly dissonant (like, you know, any real chord on our inherently imperfectly tuned instrument of choice) through distortion it sounds like a lawnmower. I know, more than one of you said this was coming when I bought the damn thing. I'm an empirical kind of guy, independent verification and all that. While I was considering Blackouts as a quickie replacement before I also realized recently that: A) I am not ever going to swap pickups mid-recording session as long as I have a trem, making the speed of replacement moot B) I'm not just buying another guit with a brighter wood type until I've actually put this one to extensive use, so it needs some versatility in the mean time So while Blackouts remain an option they're no longer the [i]only[/i] thing I'm considering- I'm cool with wiring in passives, so I'm open to anything reasonably priced or actually available right now (no Bareknuckles or Q-Tuners.) Unfortunately I know jack shit about Dimarzios and the like, and hearing terms like "scooped" associated with a few is a huge turnoff- I don't want something doing a broad EQ'ing for me, I just want my notes to be thinner without having to play on .9's and with light gain. But feel free to tell me it's not that bad and they'd work well or whatever. Tl;dr: Recommend me two 7-string 'buckers for a mahogany Interceptor that: -Don't sound too muddy when playing complex intervals with distortion -Still sound nice and thick and "wall of sound"-suited, just more articulate -Can be active or passive, gain isn't really an issue -If they have decent cleans or low gain tone (without coil tapping preferably) it's a huge bonus but not a necessity Right now I'm considering the Blackouts, the standard EMG clean-up options like an 81-7 in the neck or X series combo ('cuz fuck learning from any this) and kinda tepidly looking at the Dimarzio X2N-7/D-Activator/PAF 7. They sound a bit too far in the thin direction to me just now, but the examples on their page are kinda shit. I'm going to try one more layering workaround in the mean time, but I do kinda need to record something soonish and I'd like to have this solved by then.[/QUOTE] Once again i'm gonna say (DiMarzio) Crunch Lab, it's very articulate, yet very heavy when playing power chords and such. It's passive/ceramic/high output. If you play a power chord with a bass note added in when using distortion, you can still hear every note you play instead of getting a wall-of-sorta-the-notes-you-play.

I like the Super Distortion a lot, gonna replace my EMG's with it, and maybe a PAF Pro in neck. On my custom, the Super Distortion just kicks maximum ass.

[QUOTE=LasGunz;28861563]Why not get the Digitech Wammy? It's an amazing bit of pedal technology.[/QUOTE] Speaking from experience, make sure you're going to get a lot of use out of it before buying one or it's not worth the money. I had one for a while and really struggled to get use out of it after learning some covers that required it. Maybe I'm just not creative enough for one..

So at what price range can i get a guitar, preferably ibanez, that wont bring me major problems with the whammy bar and floyd rose?

[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;28869939]Okay, I guess I'm back to actually needing advice re: my Agile's sucky pups. I've spent a good amount of time EQ'ing and tweaking what comes out of my guitar and I can't get around it- the stock EMGs have too wide and unwieldy of a frequency range per note without offing the tone pot, and while it sounds thick as fuck on single tones or simple intervals the moment you play anything even slightly dissonant (like, you know, any real chord on our inherently imperfectly tuned instrument of choice) through distortion it sounds like a lawnmower. I know, more than one of you said this was coming when I bought the damn thing. I'm an empirical kind of guy, independent verification and all that. While I was considering Blackouts as a quickie replacement before I also realized recently that: A) I am not ever going to swap pickups mid-recording session as long as I have a trem, making the speed of replacement moot B) I'm not just buying another guit with a brighter wood type until I've actually put this one to extensive use, so it needs some versatility in the mean time So while Blackouts remain an option they're no longer the [i]only[/i] thing I'm considering- I'm cool with wiring in passives, so I'm open to anything reasonably priced or actually available right now (no Bareknuckles or Q-Tuners.) Unfortunately I know jack shit about Dimarzios and the like, and hearing terms like "scooped" associated with a few is a huge turnoff- I don't want something doing a broad EQ'ing for me, I just want my notes to be thinner without having to play on .9's and with light gain. But feel free to tell me it's not that bad and they'd work well or whatever. Tl;dr: Recommend me two 7-string 'buckers for a mahogany Interceptor that: -Don't sound too muddy when playing complex intervals with distortion -Still sound nice and thick and "wall of sound"-suited, just more articulate -Can be active or passive, gain isn't really an issue -If they have decent cleans or low gain tone (without coil tapping preferably) it's a huge bonus but not a necessity Right now I'm considering the Blackouts, the standard EMG clean-up options like an 81-7 in the neck or X series combo ('cuz fuck learning from any this) and kinda tepidly looking at the Dimarzio X2N-7/D-Activator/PAF 7. They sound a bit too far in the thin direction to me just now, but the examples on their page are kinda shit. I'm going to try one more layering workaround in the mean time, but I do kinda need to record something soonish and I'd like to have this solved by then.[/QUOTE] The thing is I find 90% of "metal" pickups to be a bit too high output. I use PRS Dragon IIs in my Schecter which are about 12k in the bridge. Most "metal" pickups tend to be around 15k which in most cases is a bit too extreme. Try something lower output and you'll find it'll do wonders for articulation and clarity, as well as keeping a good sounding clean tone. Something like a Duncan SH-5 or SH-6 or like Knorre says, a Crunchlab would be a pretty safe bet if you ask me

[QUOTE=Dopey Trout;28863289][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqxVqs99-Uw[/media] Obnoxious without a doubt[/QUOTE] What's the point of buying a bass when you're just going to make it sound like a guitar and play it like a guitar? Fucking wankers.

[QUOTE=Shibbey;28874360]What's the point of buying a bass when you're just going to make it sound like a guitar and play it like a guitar? Fucking wankers.[/QUOTE] It's called an obnoxious bass solo, he does normal bass normally. Aren't us bassists allowed a little fun.

[QUOTE=Shibbey;28874360]What's the point of buying a bass when you're just going to make it sound like a guitar and play it like a guitar? Fucking wankers.[/QUOTE] Screw you man, cliff burton was an amazing bassist.

[QUOTE=deathgod;28874774]Screw you man, cliff burton was an amazing bassist.[/QUOTE] Yes, but he played [I]bass solos[/I], not guitar solos on a bass. :science:

He's still playing a bass solo, it just sounds different :eng101:

[QUOTE=Shibbey;28874360]What's the point of buying a bass when you're just going to make it sound like a guitar and play it like a guitar? Fucking wankers.[/QUOTE] I'm going to pretend I didn't read that.

[QUOTE=Shibbey;28874360]What's the point of buying a bass when you're just going to make it sound like a guitar and play it like a guitar? Fucking wankers.[/QUOTE] [img]http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx127/PrimeWeatherman/Transparent_Trollface2.png[/img]

I'm not trolling. :frown: You guys are mean.

You probably should've been trolling :colbert:

Woooah.. I just got in today from like a 6 hour practice session to find my Cry Baby had arrived so I jack it up, stomp it on and play it. Pish. Total pish. With a relatively new battery (not got a powerstation yet) it had an awful volume drop and really pitiful range.. so I opened it up and looked at the guts, fiddled around with some stuff and replaced the battery with a brand new one. The volume drop disappeared but the range was still awful. So after looking at the pedal and the treadle to see what I could do, I just yanked out the rubber stopper under the heel side (the "bass" side) of the pedal giving me about half an inch more "range" in the sweep. People seem to the think it's the electronics in Wah's that can change the dynamics of the sound.. really Wah's are all mechanical, the range is determined by how much you can move the pedal. Half an inch more "low end" sweep doesn't sound like a lot until you jack it up. Now the pedal sounds fucking awesome, it could do with a mid range boost but that's just to match my own tone, the pedal it's self is fucking delicious now with that extra bass range. Luv it.

Currently learning "Heir Apparent" by Opeth. Having a great deal of trouble with a couple of the riffs which are just plain strange. The big fucker of a solo in the middle and the riff starting at 6.27 are the main culprits, though the pre solo riff and a couple others are really tough too :smith: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7C9Tr4okNw[/media]

[QUOTE=Dopey Trout;28873819]The thing is I find 90% of "metal" pickups to be a bit too high output. I use PRS Dragon IIs in my Schecter which are about 12k in the bridge. Most "metal" pickups tend to be around 15k which in most cases is a bit too extreme. Try something lower output and you'll find it'll do wonders for articulation and clarity, as well as keeping a good sounding clean tone[/QUOTE] I'm not going to doubt this but I do have to ask why- I'm going through a mixer to a modeler, so I have a bazillion stages where I can attenuate my guitar prior to it hitting the model, and my "width" problem is present relatively independently of volume. It just varies what stage most of the intermod distortion hits. Unless that's related to the no-headroom thing, which would make sense, but then maybe my best bet really is just another active with dynamics beyond "on" and "off." [QUOTE=Knorre;28870401]Once again i'm gonna say (DiMarzio) Crunch Lab, it's very articulate, yet very heavy when playing power chords and such. It's passive/ceramic/high output. If you play a power chord with a bass note added in when using distortion, you can still hear every note you play instead of getting a wall-of-sorta-the-notes-you-play.[/QUOTE] Looks cool, I'm just worried because the only good clips of it I can find are Petrucci, and that's not really a fair reference point for me in determining what something sounds like considering he's using brighter wood, strings, and pups (and, you know, it's fucking Petrucci, his attack is like an elegant ninja and mine is like a clumsy bulldozer.) [QUOTE=Kab2tract;28870865]I like the Super Distortion a lot, gonna replace my EMG's with it, and maybe a PAF Pro in neck.[/QUOTE] Alas, doesn't come in 7. Come to think of it, there's one EQ trick I haven't tried yet- making a digital 50-something pole one with peaks at the fundamentals of [i]every single note[/i] and ducking everything else. :v:

[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;28877774]Looks cool, I'm just worried because the only good clips of it I can find are Petrucci, and that's not really a fair reference point for me in determining what something sounds like considering he's using brighter wood, strings, and pups (and, you know, it's fucking Petrucci, his attack is like an elegant ninja and mine is like a clumsy bulldozer.)[/QUOTE] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5ImBCWlRWQ[/media] [i]Clarity[/i]. Also, for what it's worth, i'm using the Crunch Lab in a basswood guitar.