[QUOTE=HeatPipe;27487282]Eh dude, I don't really alcohol, cold beer in summer can one of the most rewarding things in the long run. Or big phat joint. Or big phat line. It's just matter of time and preference.
I don't really hate alcohol. I hate many of alcohol influenced people though. Long story behind this, but my hate for those people grew over years. Alcoholics, accidents on alcohol - I got broken nose from it (still visible today), many fights I don't even remember, and shit goes on. Get me? It's too stupid to mess with it, others can do it all they want, but me, no. It's just at the point I don't want to touch it anymore.[/QUOTE]
hey i got a broken nose when i drank a 26 of wisers one night (and it's also still noticable) like 2 and a half years ago. I have my third and final corrective surgery in like 6 more months.
alcohol makes me stupid. if i'm drunk enough to not even realize i'm conscious (blacked out) i shouldn't be picking fights with people. plus i tend to rage out whenever i get drunk really easily. just the right amount can make me filled with rage and violence and then the tiniest bit over that does the same thing but i don't remember anything and i'm stumbling around all over the place.
Plus my dad was an alcoholic and abusive, blah blah blah... so i'm sure his drinking emotions/problems are/can be passed on to me. plus i've seen my girlfriend get wasted and become a total, and complete stranger. right to my eyes she was lying. i still remember her stare. the same stare i would see in my dads eyes. blank, anger. it's what alcohol does to people.
SO FUCK ALCOHOL lolz
you know, i think this whole issue might have something to do with the environment.
personally i'm from scotland, wherein alcohol is very much integrated into society. if you happen to be somebody who doesn't drink regularly, you might be thought of as strange here. it's not peer pressure, it's just simply that almost everybody here does drink.
sure, you get trouble from it, but i don't think that there's as much violence for the amount of people drinking that might be expected.
personally, i go out each weekend and get very drunk, either at a nightclub or at a friend's house, every weekend, most usually both friday and satuday. during the week, when i'm at uni, i spend most of the free time between lectures in a bar. if i go out with my friends at night, it's almost always to a bar we go. this doesn't appear excessive though, as it's the same with almost all my friends, and to be fair, almost everybody in my age range.
[QUOTE=StayBlazed420;27487534]hey i got a broken nose when i drank a 26 of wisers one night (and it's also still noticable) like 2 and a half years ago. I have my third and final corrective surgery in like 6 more months.
alcohol makes me stupid. if i'm drunk enough to not even realize i'm conscious (blacked out) i shouldn't be picking fights with people. plus i tend to rage out whenever i get drunk really easily. just the right amount can make me filled with rage and violence and then the tiniest bit over that does the same thing but i don't remember anything and i'm stumbling around all over the place.
Plus my dad was an alcoholic and abusive, blah blah blah... so i'm sure his drinking emotions/problems are/can be passed on to me. plus i've seen my girlfriend get wasted and become a total, and complete stranger. right to my eyes she was lying. i still remember her stare. the same stare i would see in my dads eyes. blank, anger. it's what alcohol does to people.
SO FUCK ALCOHOL lolz[/QUOTE]
This story is quite similar to mine.
I am gonna learn my children to choose pot over alcohol, that's for sure.
Also... How does surgery looks like?
[editline]18th January 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Pome;27487691]you know, i think this whole issue might have something to do with the environment.
personally i'm from scotland, wherein alcohol is very much integrated into society. if you happen to be somebody who doesn't drink regularly, you might be thought of as strange here. it's not peer pressure, it's just simply that almost everybody here does drink.
sure, you get trouble from it, but i don't think that there's as much violence for the amount of people drinking that might be expected.
personally, i go out each weekend and get very drunk, either at a nightclub or at a friend's house, every weekend, most usually both friday and satuday. during the week, when i'm at uni, i spend most of the free time between lectures in a bar. if i go out with my friends at night, it's almost always to a bar we go. this doesn't appear excessive though, as it's the same with almost all my friends, and to be fair, almost everybody in my age range.[/QUOTE]
I wonder how would society look like if amphetamines would be so much integrated.
[QUOTE=HeatPipe;27487700]This story is quite similar to mine.
I am gonna learn my children to choose pot over alcohol, that's for sure.
Also... How does surgery looks like?
[editline]18th January 2011[/editline]
I wonder how would society look like if amphetamines would be so much integrated.[/QUOTE]
the first time they just jammed rods into my nose (i was put under) and popped the cartilage back into place and then put a metal brace around it.
second time happened because my right nasal cavity collapsed again so they repeated the same surgery but this time left a huge wad of cotton in my nose to keep the bone in place while it healed.
over time it's collapsed again. so this third surgery i have to be put on a waiting list for because they're going to remove the skin, fix the bone, and get rid of a bump of excess cartilage that healed over. they better do it right this time
oh - and my right nostril is still constantly 24 hours every day plugged because the bone is in the way, so i can only breathe through my left nostril meaning for the past year all drugs i've insufflated have only gone through my one nostril.
[QUOTE=Superginger;27473999]Those who think being intoxicated is unpleasant clearly aren't doing it right. :smile:
Also, people tend to think you just "have" a hangover. If you keep hydrated you will [b]NEVER[/b] have a hangover.[/QUOTE]
Stop trying to look like a rebel, you've missed the point of the thread by a long shot.
On another note, when the bollocks did aliens come into all of this...
[QUOTE=TaniaTiger;27488255]Stop trying to look like a rebel, you've missed the point of the thread by a long shot.
On another note, when the bollocks did aliens come into all of this...[/QUOTE]
when i posted ;p
[QUOTE=TaniaTiger;27488255]Stop trying to look like a rebel, you've missed the point of the thread by a long shot.[/QUOTE]
then what is the point of this thread? in a simple, clear sentence please.
[QUOTE=NeoSeeker;27488746]then what is the point of this thread? in a simple, clear sentence please.[/QUOTE]
With alcohol, there's more unpleasant effects than pleasant ones, you don't even have to research that to know that it's true. Alcohol is a depressant. Other drugs are a lot more pleasant and less harmful effects. Which begs the question, why do people choose alcohol instead of the far more awesome alternatives that are cheaper, harmless (or atleast less harmful, depending on the specific drug), and have many more positive effects.
tl;dr
sentence please, my attention span is that of a fly atm :smith:
just joshin ya.
I do feel you on the unpleasant effects part because the few days after a beer night i'll be in a generally lower mood. This may have been because i was on a certain medication that i'm now off of but i'll test that the next time i drink.
I disagree with the volume of the negative effects you seem to imply with your post's wording. every drug has the potential to be unpleasant, but remember that what is unpleasant to one person may be fine with another, we are all different and have different preferences.
That's the problem with this thread, it treats an opinion as a universal truth. I disagree with you in general just because out of all the times i've drank (and trust me i've drank a lot in my life) i have only had four or five bad experiences out of the whole lot, and half of them were because i drank while i was on medication which interacted badly with alcohol. the rest was pure gravy, good times rollin along sippin on my gin and juice.
And to answer your question people drink for many reasons. it's legal (you can't invalidate this fact by saying it's worse than other drugs out there), it can be a big part of culture, it potentates many drugs if used properly, it is made in various different forms each with varying effects and in addition it can be served in many different ways so can appeal to many different kinds of pallets, etc etc. there are more reasons but i'll keep it simple.
[QUOTE=TaniaTiger;27489235]With alcohol, there's more unpleasant effects than pleasant ones, you don't even have to research that to know that it's true. [B]Alcohol is a depressant.[/B] Other drugs are a lot more pleasant and less harmful effects. Which begs the question, why do people choose alcohol instead of the far more awesome alternatives that are cheaper, harmless (or atleast less harmful, depending on the specific drug), and have many more positive effects.[/QUOTE]
so? please don't tell me that you think a cns depressant is the same thing as something that makes you depressed. if you do, then i immediately devalue everything you're going to say about drugs.
[QUOTE=TaniaTiger;27489235]With alcohol, there's more unpleasant effects than pleasant ones, you don't even have to research that to know that it's true. Alcohol is a depressant. Other drugs are a lot more pleasant and less harmful effects. Which begs the question, why do people choose alcohol instead of the far more awesome alternatives that are cheaper, harmless (or atleast less harmful, depending on the specific drug), and have many more positive effects.[/QUOTE]
Because it's legal, that makes it okay ;)
[QUOTE=Pome;27489362]so? please don't tell me that you think a cns depressant is the same thing as something that makes you depressed. if you do, then i immediately devalue everything you're going to say about drugs.[/QUOTE]
No, actually. But I do think you're quite arrogant.
[QUOTE=TaniaTiger;27489479]No, actually. But I do think you're quite arrogant.[/QUOTE]
why include the point that it's a depressant in your previous post then? i can see literally no reason for it.
[QUOTE=NeoSeeker;27489305]tl;dr
sentence please, my attention span is that of a fly atm :smith:
just joshin ya.
I do feel you on the unpleasant effects part because the few days after a beer night i'll be in a generally lower mood. This may have been because i was on a certain medication that i'm now off of but i'll test that the next time i drink.
I disagree with the volume of the negative effects you seem to imply with your post's wording. every drug has the potential to be unpleasant, but remember that what is unpleasant to one person may be fine with another, we are all different and have different preferences.[/QUOTE]
Yes I'm fully aware of that. Look mate, I'm not trying to convert you. You like alcohol and that's fine. If anything it's you that needs to remember that people have different preferences.
Clearly this thread isn't for you or pome, so if you just rate disagree and move along that'd be lovely.
I'm not saying you're trying to convert me, i'm having a discussion about something i'm passionate about.
i'm sorry if it sounded like i was trying to spread bad vibes, because all im doing is engaging in pleasurable discussion.
[QUOTE=Pome;27489511]why include the point that it's a depressant in your previous post then? i can see literally no reason for it.[/QUOTE]
jus' curious
[QUOTE=Pome;27489682]jus' curious[/QUOTE]
Just giving another example of why it isn't too great. Calm down, seriously
[QUOTE=TaniaTiger;27488255]Stop trying to look like a rebel, you've missed the point of the thread by a long shot.[/QUOTE]
Can't tell if serious
[QUOTE=TaniaTiger;27489805]Just giving another example of why it isn't too great. Calm down, seriously[/QUOTE]
i'm calm, i'm just calling you out here. explain why a cns depressant isn't 'too great'? amongst other depressants that you, assumedly, also think aren't great because of that, are all opiates and benzodiazepines, as well as ketamine, dxm, salvia, nitrous, soma and most z-drugs.
[editline]18th January 2011[/editline]
if you're saying alcohol is bad partly because it's a cns depressant, i assume you feel the drugs above (and various others) are bad too?
i don't think z-drugs are cns depressants, they're more hypnotic in nature iirc
z drugs, or nonbenzodiazepines have similar effects to benzos, the only difference is that they don't have a covalently bonded benzene and diazepam ring (most often neither). they're certainly depressants.
and irrelevantly, for something to be hypnotic in nature, it must by definition, suppress the cns to obtain said effects.
edit: i believe by definition, i might be wrong, but i'm fairly certain. will look into it if you're interested.
wiki says ambien is hypnotic and doesn't note any depressant qualities.
that probably means while it has the capability to produce depressing qualities they are negligible at normal doses.
it really doesn't matter so don't bother to look into it
"Ambien, like other sedative/hypnotic drugs, has CNS-depressant effects."
from the usa's food and drug admin's notes on ambien.
[editline]18th January 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=NeoSeeker;27490156]it really doesn't matter so don't bother to look into it[/QUOTE]
too late man. i won't consider it any longer.
okay now that you've brought it up i have to talk about it :/
just because it has those effects doesn't mean it's primary method of action in it's proper clinical use is that depressant effect...?
mm, you're completely right. i did a little research. you see, all benzodiazepines' primary method of action is cns suppression (i believe), i just assumed that the same would be true of nonbenzodiazepines. curious though.
[editline]18th January 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Pome]i'm calm, i'm just calling you out here. explain why a cns depressant isn't 'too great'?[/QUOTE]
still sorta looking for an answer to this one though.
lemme make my point clear though, because if i don't i know i'm going to get people telling me to chill out etc. this just annoys me though -
[I]there's nothing inherently wrong [/I]with somebody without enough competency in pharmacology to tell the difference between a depressing mood and a depressed cns. that's fine, lots of my friends know no psychopharmacology, it doesn't matter at all.
what does annoy me though, is the fact that you're using the point to help back up your own argument, namely that alcohol is bad. you're no better than people visiting primary schools to tell kids that alcohol is a depressant without actually explaining the context. until i actually learnt some pharmacology i believed that meant alcohol makes you sad too.
so, what's annoying me here isn't your lack of knowledge, that's totally cool - it's the fact that you're complaining about alcohol, and using a completely unrelated matter to back it up. stop spreading misinformation.
[QUOTE=XxTheAvengerxX;27482610]nah
[editline]17th January 2011[/editline]
i get bored really easily though[/QUOTE]
Hence why you're a buzzkill.
[QUOTE=Snail562;27494293]Hence why you're a buzzkill.[/QUOTE]
umm im fairly sure you dont know me if you think that
some people like weed
some people like beer
some like both
some like neither
thread over
[QUOTE=XxTheAvengerxX;27494332]umm im fairly sure you dont know me if you think that[/QUOTE]
No I don't know you at all.
Nyquil (in bottle-recommended dosage) with a cold beer makes for a peaceful slumber.
The alcohol numbs that weird tingly feeling you get as the nyquil starts to set in.
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