[QUOTE=StayBlazed420;27502735]for everyone thats against weed (literally AGAINST IT) i fucking HATE WITH A PASSION. god damn ignorant fucks. don't know fuck all. so they pump out false research to back up their ignorant, biased claims so they can feel important on the 'war on drugs'[/QUOTE]
The graphs illustrates that if in the Uk there has been a total of 19 cannabis [B]related [/B]death(ie. Not the direct cause which you should all know is damn near impossible) While the percentage of deaths reported is the number of reported deaths. Allas the number is exctracted from the first two collumns as such 92 cannabis death reports divided by the 19 >supposed< cannabis deaths equals 484.2% It may be a biased graph but it's actually trying to illustrate a misinformed society.
On a side note the graph does say: [I]Cannabis fatalities highly questionable[/I]. under the sources.
[QUOTE=Superginger;27498108]I question the infograph that says Cannabis has 19 fatalities and Ecstasy has 44.
Neither of those drugs have ever outright killed anyone. :\[/QUOTE]
Read the bottom of the infograph, usually when there's a star next to something questionable it's because there's more to it.
[QUOTE=Superginger;27507075]If they're counting "contributing factors" then that's biased evidence and is deceiving to post.
shameonyouuuuu.[/QUOTE]
Read this again:
[QUOTE=bethanygrace;27509705]When they say ecstacy, they mean pills/caps which contain shitloads of other drugs, and possibly a tiny bit of actual mdma or mda or mdea, etc etc.
Then people just call the pills/caps ecstacy, without actually finding out if there's even ecstacy in it.
Then if someone dies taking 1 or more of them and the death is reported, what are they going to say they died of? ecstacy. Which leads people to believe that ecstacy kills.[/QUOTE]
It's called jumping to conclusions, it makes everything eaiser
[editline]19th January 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=NeoSeeker;27509986]There was this batch of bammer mdma powder or ecstacy pills, i can't remember which, that this guy made in like lower middle cali iirc. gave around 600 people Parkinson's disease or some nasty shit like that.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, sucks how somewhat healthy shit being illegal makes it a deathtrap.
[QUOTE=Imaledgev2;27522958]Let's not get overcomplicated here, but simply an OD might kill you (whereas you cant OD from weed for example) the crazy dehydration doesn't help either[/QUOTE]
I thought it didn't actually dehydrate you? It just warps your perception on how hydrated you are, doesn't it?
So long as you drink as often as you normally would nothing bad should happen.
Either way, I'm gonna be safe and never touch MDMA due to a heart condition I recently found out I have. :smith:
[QUOTE=BloodStream;27527584]I thought it didn't actually dehydrate you? It just warps your perception on how hydrated you are, doesn't it?
So long as you drink as often as you normally would nothing bad should happen.
Either way, I'm gonna be safe and never touch MDMA due to a heart condition I recently found out I have. :smith:[/QUOTE]
Ye I can't do certain things since I have heart problems. First degree heart block and a murmur.
[QUOTE=TaniaTiger;27527799]Ye I can't do certain things since I have heart problems. First degree heart block and a murmur.[/QUOTE]
Never heard of a heart block before, what is it? I have a friend who has a murmur, though. She gets random palpitations all the time.
I have PSVT and Wolff-Parkinsons-White syndrome. The WPW syndrome causes and irregularity in my heartbeat and the PSVT basically means I'm more susceptible to heart attacks due to the WPW. Not a good combination.
[QUOTE=Imaledgev2;27522940]MDMA can kill, and has...[/QUOTE]
And I admit I might be wrong. I've just never ever heard of someone dying from MDMA abuse, it would take a real idiot to do so.
sometimes i have i wish i had a heart attack. i'm interested in whether i can accept im dying before everything goes away. then bonus, im finally dead!
but that heart shit sucks. i had a friend who died due to a really really bad number of heart conditions. plus for it to be able to happen at any time... what if you're in the middle of fuckin and you're totally not there yet? or about to consume some awesome drug for the first time and die.
[QUOTE=BloodStream;27527584]I thought it didn't actually dehydrate you? It just warps your perception on how hydrated you are, doesn't it?
So long as you drink as often as you normally would nothing bad should happen.
Either way, I'm gonna be safe and never touch MDMA due to a heart condition I recently found out I have. :smith:[/QUOTE]
alcoholic drinks are very dehydrating, because of various chemicals and reactions or whatever and b12 vitamins i think
i saw this on a show called brainiac (was like the last good show on G4 then they stopped airing it for some dumb reason) and they had this experiment where they got a host to go out for a night of binge drinking (paying attention to the amount he drinks in total that night iirc) waking up the next morning and rating his hangover from one to ten or something and he put up a nine basically. then he went out for another night of binge drinking of a similar amount to the other night but before bed drinking a pint of water and taking an asprin. the next morning his hangover was like a 2.
i didn't drink much back then until i saw this so i tried it out, it worked and then began my months of binge drinking.
[QUOTE=NeoSeeker;27529127]alcoholic drinks are very dehydrating, because of various chemicals and reactions or whatever and b12 vitamins i think
i saw this on a show called brainiac (was like the last good show on G4 then they stopped airing it for some dumb reason) and they had this experiment where they got a host to go out for a night of binge drinking (paying attention to the amount he drinks in total that night iirc) waking up the next morning and rating his hangover from one to ten or something and he put up a nine basically. then he went out for another night of binge drinking of a similar amount to the other night but before bed drinking a pint of water and taking an asprin. the next morning his hangover was like a 2.
i didn't drink much back then until i saw this so i tried it out, it worked and then began my months of binge drinking.[/QUOTE]
I stopped reading after "I saw this on a show called Brainiac"
Seriously, that's the least scientific show I've ever seen. It seemed pretty technical when I was younger, but the experiments they do are laughably shit.
i just included the thing about brainiac cause im wired as fuck.
just take it as an experience report from me that it worked very well for me, even with as much as i drank. but im not the kind of binge drinker who forgets to eat, i just eat after i get fucked up so it takes less... but if you plan on partying for 2-3 days straight fucking eat something and don't be a dumbass who doesn't know his limits and/or doesn't how to drink carefully, and puke. remember if you do puke fucking go home, at least that's what your body is begging of you in reactioned to being fucking poisoned.
[QUOTE=BloodStream;27528791]Never heard of a heart block before, what is it? I have a friend who has a murmur, though. She gets random palpitations all the time.
I have PSVT and Wolff-Parkinsons-White syndrome. The WPW syndrome causes and irregularity in my heartbeat and the PSVT basically means I'm more susceptible to heart attacks due to the WPW. Not a good combination.[/QUOTE]
Ah I have an irregular beat too, but that's partly because of the heart block. Basically your heart has 4 chambers, and one of the valves between chambers doesn't function properly and is a little slower than the rest. I get palpatations too, getting more frequent recently so I'm gonna get it checked out again.
[QUOTE=TaniaTiger;27532528]Ah I have an irregular beat too, but that's partly because of the heart block. Basically your heart has 4 chambers, and one of the valves between chambers doesn't function properly and is a little slower than the rest. I get palpatations too, getting more frequent recently so I'm gonna get it checked out again.[/QUOTE]
A friend of mine has on his little valve things where there are 3 flaps that let blood around, He has one where 2 of the flaps are stuck together and the other one is just really lazy. He cant drink energy drinks with me anymore
[QUOTE=Superginger;27529002]And I admit I might be wrong. I've just never ever heard of someone dying from MDMA abuse, it would take a real idiot to do so.[/QUOTE]
Stop talking crap about something you obviously don't know anything about. You don't have to be stupid to die from MDMA, anyone with a condition unknown to them could die from a very small amount of ecstasy
[QUOTE=FINLEY;27541571]Stop talking crap about something you obviously don't know anything about. You don't have to be stupid to die from MDMA, anyone with a condition unknown to them could die from a very small amount of ecstasy[/QUOTE]
Not knowing what medical conditions you have and taking a drug you don't research anyway is pretty damn stupid if you ask me.
What if you don't have the enzymes which bread down MD in your liver? How are else are you supposed to find out? You could know everything about MDMA and still be unlucky. The reason I'm arguing my point so much is because it irritates me when people make sweeping biased statements about drugs. Saying 'ecstasy can't kill' is just as bad as saying 'taking drugs [i]will[/i] ruin your life'
[QUOTE=Superginger;27541655]Not knowing what medical conditions you have and taking a drug you don't research anyway is pretty damn stupid if you ask me.[/QUOTE]
Some conditions leave you absolutely no clue that you have them before they potentially kill you.
[QUOTE=Superginger;27541655]Not knowing what medical conditions you have and taking a drug you don't research anyway is pretty damn stupid if you ask me.[/QUOTE]
I have two genetic heart conditions that I only recently found out about.
Am I stupid for only noticing that I get tiny palpitations every now and then 18 years into my life? Not all serious diseases/conditions show noticeable symptoms until later in life.
I don't understand why people drink till they drop dead.
[QUOTE=FunkyHippo;27543294]I don't understand why people drink till they drop dead.[/QUOTE]
Because while it doesn't look fun from the outside it's downright hilarious for the consumer, and since the puking/blacking out is rarely remembered in detail they're more likely to do it again and again.
I for one find alchohol my party drug of choice.
It's certainly the most accepted one. It's really awkward at parties if you're fucked on drugs but the majority of the others there aren't
[QUOTE=FINLEY;27543492]It's certainly the most accepted one. It's really awkward at parties if you're fucked on drugs but the majority of the others there aren't[/QUOTE]
furthermore the most widespread 'unaccepted' drug is weed, which doesn't really promote the mood you'd usually meet at a party, when you're at a party you're there to dance, engage in conversations and if in the groove stick your badabing in a badabum, alchohol helps your abbility to do all these things alot while weed/various other drugs* while admittetdly make you feel better than ever they're not exactling helping your average joes goals at a party since they make you lazy as fuck, unable to uphold longer conversations without forgetting what you are talking about etc.
*Coke however makes you a social motherfucker [B]&[/B] feel great(for awhile atleast)
Yeah I agree with you about weed, when I smoke it nowadays it just makes me sleepy. Low doses of most stimulants (speed, MD and coke as you said) are generally acceptable so long as you aren't chatting too much shit. I find that psychedelics as dissociatives always prompt comments like 'why's he starring at the wall', 'what's he looking at' ect. Which is a shame because in a group of like minded people these can be really fun
Well personally I've solved this problem by just hosting a baking party once in a while, noone will really drink more than 3-4 beers, they're mostly used to just get your mouth returned to a state of comfortable, and then we'll just toke all evening, the pros will proceed to toke all night, possibly excecuting some of the most hilariously engineered pranks on the sleeping kiddos and the like :)
I have a heart problem that keeps me from taking stimulants. No MDMA for me
[QUOTE=FINLEY;27541723]What if you don't have the enzymes which bread down MD in your liver? How are else are you supposed to find out? You could know everything about MDMA and still be unlucky. The reason I'm arguing my point so much is because it irritates me when people make sweeping biased statements about drugs. Saying 'ecstasy can't kill' is just as bad as saying 'taking drugs [i]will[/i] ruin your life'[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=kaskade700]Some conditions leave you absolutely no clue that you have them before they potentially kill you.[/quote]
[quote=BloodStream]I have two genetic heart conditions that I only recently found out about.
Am I stupid for only noticing that I get tiny palpitations every now and then 18 years into my life? Not all serious diseases/conditions show noticeable symptoms until later in life.[/quote]
Obviously having a medical condition doesn't make you stupid, but you're taking a risk when you're taking a drug. If you aren't 100% sure that your body will react to that drug in a positive manner, you're an idiot for taking that risk in my opinion.
i'm going for a drink tonight
[QUOTE=Superginger;27564446]Obviously having a medical condition doesn't make you stupid, but you're taking a risk when you're taking a drug. If you aren't 100% sure that your body will react to that drug in a positive manner, you're an idiot for taking that risk in my opinion.[/QUOTE]
Your basically saying if you take any drug then you're stupid. Do you really expect people to go for a full medical exam before they do anything? Even smoking weed will dramatically increase the risk of you having a heart attack. It makes you blood vessels dilate causing your heart over-compensate to push blood around your body
my girlfriend had a bad day and decided to get tipsy so i bitched her out for being stupid enough to drink when you have problems.
fuck i hate alcohol
[QUOTE=FINLEY;27565330]Your basically saying if you take any drug without knowing if it'll negatively react with your body then you're stupid. [/QUOTE]
Yes.
[QUOTE=StayBlazed420;27567234]my girlfriend had a bad day and decided to get tipsy so i bitched her out for being stupid enough to drink when you have problems.
fuck i hate alcohol[/QUOTE]
Meh, you know what they say about alcohol?... Nothing, they just say Stay Blazed and such ;).
Mmm I'd love some green lady ;).
drunk atm
alcohol no is stupid :saddowns:
the whole reason i haven't spoken to my father in years and why the only times that we did happen to talk - it ended with him either cussing me or using his favourite insult: "you're a waste of flesh" is because he thought drinking solved his problems
this fucking asshole withdrawled my savings/interest fund for college on HIMSELF claiming he needed "dental surgery" but really he blew it at the fucking bar and VLT's. (would have been 4grand by now)
He said he'd pay it off (double) but never did because i 'didn't speak with him often enough'. this is after years of alcohol abuse on my mom, my brother, and me, and after him being arrested TWICE (once after throwing my brother down the stairs and spitting on him, and again after initiating a fist fight with his skinny, sober 17 year old son (my brother) and ending up with him getting knocked out and lay bleeding on the floor. (my dad[i worded this weirdly])
He never used to be an alcoholic. he sure loved drinking but up until he lost his job he went to drinking every waking moment.
So basically to sum his life up: had a great family, great job > lost job, thought drinking would help > lost practically his entire life due to alcohol problems > now lives with his mother in a small apartment (oh did i mention he re-married some fat disgusting slut from 2007-2009 and him and his wife lived in the same apartment with his mom? impressive, huh?)
This guy once rolled his fucking pontiac sunfire down a straight avenue with no bends or hills/slopes in the road. how the fuck do you do that?
HAS ANY MOTHAFUCKAZ SEEN A PERSON ACT LIKE THIS OFF MARY JANE? WHY THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT LEGAL.
Cocaine? Heroine? Ruins peoples families. Peoples lives. Weed? Definitely not. Alcohol? I'm just one of many, many examples.
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AND he still occasionally sends my mom texts saying crazy shit like "do you still love me?" and "have you ever seen the face of god"
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