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[QUOTE=JDK721;22431151]common soldier, yes the average corporal in the marines is probably better than the average corporal in the army. however, there are a lot more factors than that. you can't just say the marines are better because of that one factor. the marines rely on the navy for their resources and they only account for about 6% of the US military budge better combat brigade? army the army has far better officer training, more and better schools, more resources, and better equipment.[/QUOTE] Absolutely not better officer training and when we don't have training facilites for something... we use the Army's. I learned my MOS on an army base. I'm a 0844, Field Artillery Fire Control Man. Sure we get hand-me-downs from the Army but that doesn't mean shit.
Marines do more with less
[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;22431073]Err, no. Again, comparing just infantry, the differences in infantry training between the Army and the Marines isn't as pronounced as the Marines like to think it is. Army does less in Infantry training, but does more when the soldier gets to his unit. And please, show us these combat kill to death ratios and your source.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.icasualties.org/oef/Nationality.aspx?hndQry=US[/url] Afghanistan: 675 Marines, 825 Army you can count the iraq causalities yourself, i don't have time to scroll through that many pages :( as for the combat kill death ratio, I was reading in a Time magazine that for marines it was around 20 to 1. I think it was the febuary issue [editline]11:01PM[/editline] [QUOTE=JDK721;22431151]common soldier, yes the average corporal in the marines is probably better than the average corporal in the army. however, there are a lot more factors than that. you can't just say the marines are better because of that one factor. the marines rely on the navy for their resources and they only account for about 6% of the US military budge better combat brigade? army the army has far better officer training, more and better schools, more resources, and better equipment.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Fire Kracker;22431279]Marines do more with less[/QUOTE] this
[QUOTE=Leff Shoo;22430964]No, the Army is easy. My MOS School was at Fort Sill which is one of the bases where the Army does basic training and honestly, it's a joke. A slacker would probably do fine there considering at least a third of those fuckers is overweight. When we go for a run we have the fast group and the faster group, the Army, no shit, has the run/jog group and the walking group. They make me fucking sick. You should fit in fine.[/QUOTE] Thats because you were at Fort Sill, pop over to Fort Benning sometime and tell me if you still have the same opinion. I'm not saying every army soldier is better than every marine, there are pussys and slackers with desk jobs in every branch, but you can't base your judgments on a group of desk jockeys. 90% of the Marines I have met are jackasses who think they are better than everyone else even if they haven't done jack shit, which is why I dislike most Marines. [QUOTE=bobste;22431282][url]http://www.icasualties.org/oef/Nationality.aspx?hndQry=US[/url] Afghanistan: 675 Marines, 825 Army you can count the iraq causalities yourself, i don't have time to scroll through that many pages :( as for the combat kill death ratio, I was reading in a Time magazine that for marines it was around 20 to 1. I think it was the febuary issue [/QUOTE] You are a fucktard, stop humping the Marines leg for a second and think about this, casualty numbers this size don't mean jack shit, the Army has more than twice the amount of enlisted troops than the Marines, they are a larger fighting force, there are more Army than Marine troops in Afghanistan right now, it doesn't take a genius to figure out they are likely to have a higher casualty rate because they are doing more than the marines. It's people like you who throw out random statistics and biased "facts" that make me hate the marines, go join up and tell me what you think then.
[QUOTE=bobste;22431282] Afghanistan: 675 Marines, 825 Army you can count the iraq causalities yourself, i don't have time to scroll through that many pages :( as for the combat kill death ratio, I was reading in a Time magazine that for marines it was around 20 to 1. I think it was the febuary issue [/QUOTE] There's more Army deployed in A-stan than Marines, as such there will be a higher total casualty rate. Korengal Valley especially. As for TIME, that ratio is probably accurate somewhat, but it would be hardly different for the Army. Don't take it from me though, there's plenty of confirmed ex and currently serving Army, Marines and SF personnel on these boards who will say the same thing: [url]www.socnet.com[/url] [url]www.militaryphotos.net/forums/[/url]
[QUOTE=Ultra Violence;22430264]Unless you actually get to fly a plane (HA!), then you have to be a buff motherfucker.[/QUOTE] Only because you'll be carrying mechanical components around all day. The majority of Air Force is engineers. Also yeah National Guard. My dad was in it and he's a horrible slacker.
[QUOTE=Zatharon;22431523]Thats because you were at Fort Sill, pop over to Fort Benning sometime and tell me if you still have the same opinion. I'm not saying every army soldier is better than every marine, there are pussys and slackers with desk jobs in every branch, but you can't base your judgments on a group of desk jockeys. 90% of the Marines I have met are jackasses who think they are better than everyone else even if they haven't done jack shit, which is why I dislike most Marines. You are a fucktard, stop humping the Marines leg for a second and think about this, casualty numbers this size don't mean jack shit, the Army has more than twice the amount of enlisted troops than the Marines, they are a larger fighting force, there are more Army than Marine troops in Afghanistan right now, it doesn't take a genius to figure out they are likely to have a higher casualty rate because they are doing more than the marines. It's people like you who throw out random statistics and biased "facts" that make me hate the marines, go join up and tell me what you think then.[/QUOTE] quality over quantity, and I'm already enlisted.
I don't know how you guys can think the Army is more for slackers than the Marine Corps is. At least the Army entrance PFT requires you to have some goddamn physical fitness. The Marines will take anybody they can get and have some [I]low[/I] standards as far as fitness goes. The idea of greater discipline in the Marine Corps comes out of the image of the iconic drill instructor, who stands around screaming so hard in a recruits face that at the end of the day he can no longer speak properly. I don't know if it's just that weaker-minded people end up in the Marines and so they get broken in the head so badly during boot camp that they can't function without that discipline that was beaten into them or whatever; but, depending on who you talk to, the discipline is really about the same. There are cowboys, hardasses, and brokedicks in both the Army and the Marines The difference, I guess, is that the Marines will accept just about anyone. Both basic training courses will whip your ass into shape, but it all depends if you want to have everything done for you (Marines,) or have some say in what your job will be for the next 4 to 6 years (Army.) [editline]11:50PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Mexican;22431886]Only because you'll be carrying mechanical components around all day. The majority of Air Force is engineers. Also yeah National Guard. My dad was in it and he's a horrible slacker.[/QUOTE] Yes because your dad is a good benchmark for the National Guard. If you're a pogue motherfucker then sure yeah, conform to the nasty girl stereotype and look like a tenderfoot and get laughed at by the other branches. The Army has a lower ASVAB standard than the NG, meaning those in the Guard are generally required to be smarter. They all do the same jobs. If anything, the Army has more slackers. My brother (an infantry guardsman) spent his entire last deployment with his company on a lot of combat missions in Khost province, and they never lost a single man. When the 101st Abne came in to take their place, they had a negligent discharge from a Mk 19 and also a casualty within their first week.
[QUOTE=Guardian-Angel;22432059]I don't know how you guys can think the Army is more for slackers than the Marine Corps is. At least the Army entrance PFT requires you to have some goddamn physical fitness. The Marines will take anybody they can get and have some [I]low[/I] standards as far as fitness goes. [b]The minimum a male Marine must complete are 3 pull-ups, 50 crunches, and a 28 minute 3-mile run. The minimum a female Marine must complete are 15 seconds on a flexed arm hang, 44 crunches and a 30 minute 3-mile run. Note that merely completing the minimum in each category is not sufficient for passing the test (i.e., one must achieve a passing score and complete at least the minimum in each category in order to pass the test). [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Marine_Corps_Physical_Fitness_Test[/url] [url]http://usmc.mil/news/publications/Documents/MCO%206100.13.pdf[/url] (short version) The minimum for us army is 2 miles in 31 minutes for ages 17-21, 42 push ups, 53 sit ups [/b] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_Physical_Fitness_Test[/url] [url]http://www.hooah4health.com/4you/FM2021-20.pdf[/url] The idea of greater discipline in the Marine Corps comes out of the image of the iconic drill instructor, who stands around screaming so hard in a recruits face that at the end of the day he can no longer speak properly. I don't know if it's just that weaker-minded people end up in the Marines and so they get broken in the head so badly during boot camp that they can't function without that discipline that was beaten into them or whatever; but, depending on who you talk to, the discipline is really about the same. There are cowboys, hardasses, and brokedicks in both the Army and the Marines [b]true as far as I know[/b] The difference, I guess, is that the Marines will accept just about anyone. [b] The Marines do not accept you if you did not graduate high school, have a heavy drug usage background, or a criminal record (1 felony and/or multiple misdemeanor) The army is much more lenient on this.[/b] Both basic training courses will whip your ass into shape, but it all depends if you want to have everything done for you (Marines,) or have some say in what your job will be for the next 4 to 6 years (Army.) [b] I don't get what you're trying to say here, are you saying you don't get to pick your MOS in the Marines? That's true to a certain point, you cannot be guaranteed your MOS before bootcamp(unless you join the reserves). But you are guaranteed the general field.[/b] [/QUOTE] dot [editline]12:18AM[/editline] shit I just realized you said entrance PFT, my point still stands though.
[QUOTE=bobste;22431975]quality over quantity, and I'm already enlisted.[/QUOTE] I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that you haven't been through basic yet, or your fresh outta basic and haven't seen how things work yet, basic is hard as shit no matter what branch your in, nobody just cruises through it's hard one way or another. Also, no, shut the fuck up, it's a difference of about 200 men in thousands, and notice how you failed to mention HOW any of them died, I don't give a shit if your a god damn navy seal, an IED can kill you just as easily as it can a computer operator, you can break into a room to clear it (which might I add the standard room clearing operation is the same for both army and marine grunts) and you can catch a lucky bullet when the afghan in there lets of a burst with his AK, bottom line is if more people from one group are in combat than another more people are going to die. So let me explain that in some words you might understand, that statistic you threw out there, 1:20 kill ratio, this is probably pretty accurate across the board because (this is important) ALL infantry troops are trained to pretty much the same level, there might be minor differences here and there but they can all do the same thing and are all very good at their job, now the Army has more troops in Afghanistan than the marines, so more Army troops go on more missions and see more combat and kill more afghans, now remember, the ratio says it's about 1:20, now considering the army kills more because they see more combat because there's more of them, sticking to that ratio MORE ARMY TROOPS WILL DIE THAN MARINES. tl,dr : shut the fuck up, you don't know what you are talking about.
Join the (ch)Air Force!
You're scared of a girl? The hell are you doing trying to get into the military? You'll get to basic and the bunk beds will be enough to make you shit your pants.
Marine Corps all the way, you know what they say about the Army: [b]A[/b]ren't [b]R[/b]eady to be [b]M[/b]arines [b]Y[/b]et
[QUOTE=cqbcat;22429907]Which branch of the military is more likely to accept slackers, the Army or Marines? I'm not sure if I'm really a slacker. I could be described as Fry from Futurama, but I did pretty well in my high school career (except for geometry). Algebra was a breeze, but all those formulas and equations you had to memorize for geometry were my undoing. Plus it's hard to focus on geometry when all I can think of is [B]this one girl in my next period class who I'm scared shitless of (and I'm in love with her!).[/B][/QUOTE] Chances are you don't even talk to her and you're that weird kid that she always catching staring at her. "I DON'T KNOW YOU, I'M SCARED OF YOU, BUT I LOVE YOU"
[QUOTE=derek;22430191]Why does everyone think the marines are their own branch? They're part of the fucking navy for Christ sake.[/QUOTE] Wrong bro. They're their own branch, but are a component of the Navy. They work with the Navy on many things, but are technically their own branch.
Honestly if you're gonna be a slacker get the thought of joining the military out of your filthy mind. Don't even try and join with that thought in your head. The DIs will murder you if they catch that thought in any recruit's head and just for fun [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6O8lF3vsclM[/media]
[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;22433369]Marine Corps all the way, you know what they say about the Army: [b]A[/b]ren't [b]R[/b]eady to be [b]M[/b]arines [b]Y[/b]et[/QUOTE] you're an idiot
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[QUOTE=cqbcat;22429907]Which branch of the military is more likely to accept slackers, the Army or Marines? I'm not sure if I'm really a slacker. I could be described as Fry from Futurama, but I did pretty well in my high school career (except for geometry). Algebra was a breeze, but all those formulas and equations you had to memorize for geometry were my undoing. Plus it's hard to focus on geometry when all I can think of is this one girl in my next period class who I'm scared shitless of (and I'm in love with her!).[/QUOTE] Navy. There's lots of jobs that are great, easy, well-paying, and you get to see the world for free.
[QUOTE=Zatharon;22433258] So let me explain that in some words you might understand, that statistic you threw out there, 1:20 kill ratio, this is probably pretty accurate across the board because (this is important) ALL infantry troops are trained to pretty much the same level, there might be minor differences here and there but they can all do the same thing and are all very good at their job, now the Army has more troops in Afghanistan than the marines, so more Army troops go on more missions and see more combat and kill more afghans, now remember, the ratio says it's about 1:20, now considering the army kills more because they see more combat because there's more of them, sticking to that ratio MORE ARMY TROOPS WILL DIE THAN MARINES. tl,dr : shut the fuck up, you don't know what you are talking about.[/QUOTE] This lol. Call me a "civilian expert" all you want, but you're yet to explain to me how USMC infantry training is superior or even that different to US Army infantry training.
[QUOTE=Tukimoshi;22433920]Navy. There's lots of jobs that are great, easy, well-paying, and you get to see the world for free.[/QUOTE] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6EOtuhOZWM[/media] This is an actual depiction of Navy life.
When you're in the military, you have to do everything like your life depends on it. If you slack off, chances are you're going to get kicked out. Or if you're in combat, chances are you're going to die.
Thanks for telling me about your grades.
[QUOTE=R1Z3;22434026]When you're in the military, you have to do everything like your life depends on it. If you slack off, chances are you're going to get kicked out. Or if you're in combat, chances are you're going to die.[/QUOTE] [img]http://anonymouslefty.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/captain-obvious.jpg[/img]
So, the OP wants to join the army, slack off, and NOT die ? [editline]06:29AM[/editline] Join the coastguard, less chance of dying
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;22434085]So, the OP wants to join the army, slack off, and NOT die ? [editline]06:29AM[/editline] Join the coastguard, less chance of dying[/QUOTE] He could drown.
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;22434085]So, the OP wants to join the army, slack off, and NOT die ? [editline]06:29AM[/editline] Join the coastguard, less chance of dying[/QUOTE] The Coast Guard has standards. All they really do is chase Cubans and save mariners but they have high standards in that. There are plenty of jobs in the Army where he can slack off and not die, especially in active duty as opposed to National Guard. [editline]04:13AM[/editline] Of course he'll live with the shame of being a REMF for the rest of his life and probably get blanket-partied during BCT/AIT but hey that's the price of being a lazy pogue motherfucker.
[QUOTE=Fire Kracker;22430379] get drowned and revived on the first day."[/QUOTE] Holy shit that is so hardcore
[QUOTE=JDK721;22433893]you're an idiot[/QUOTE] No, I'm just reiterating what recruiters and Marines already in the service say about the army.
Neither take slackers? People in the army work hard. Trust me.
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