hey sil, don't you just love those long as hell games that you have to complete in one go-through, you can't save at all, and there are no checkpoints?
yeah, thought so
[QUOTE=cccritical;26601008]holy shit you are thick[/QUOTE]
Opinion noted.
[QUOTE=Dryvnt;26601384]So you are telling me this guy only tried to get the run right once?
You are a thickheaded child.[/QUOTE]
No I'm not. If you'd actually read to what you're replying to you'd notice that I've said it's OK to replay entire game or a level. I don't know where did you get the idea from that I don't. Maybe you're a "thickheaded child". But then your post would be a massive irony.
[QUOTE=cccritical;26602313]according to him the first time you play a game is the only timed run you should ever be able to make[/QUOTE]
I like how people jump into discussion without actually reading it, make retarded assumptions and start calling other people stupid.
[QUOTE=cccritical;26603219]why would you not try to get the fastest time in a speedrun :downs:[/QUOTE]
Would that really be impressive if there was a save/load before each jump mario makes, and who knows how many failed attempts were cut out?
[QUOTE=Chirno;26605968]Holy shit you're fucking dense... The point of the "cuts" as you call it is so that segment can have the fastest time he can get. That's the whole fucking point of a segmented run, to have the fastest time... Actually, that's the point of a SPEEDRUN.[/QUOTE]
See above, how the fuck is that impressive?
[QUOTE=Chirno;26605968]Soooo, basically any single segment run? There's a huge difference, get that through your head.[/QUOTE]
There is a huge difference between replaying whole levels and making save/load cuts just before high risk places. That that through your head.
[QUOTE=Chirno;26605968]Since you're so dead set on every speed run being single segment because anything else is cheating, [URL="http://speeddemosarchive.com/demo.pl?Portal_PC_SS_1306"]here's a nice, slow, boring 13:06 single segment speedrun of Portal[/URL]. Maybe you'll actually understand this one because there is no cheating.[/QUOTE]
"HUURRR DURRR you just don't understand what is happening and the guy is obviously better than you at portal, you jelly, that's why you mad DERP"
I've seen an amazing half life 1 speedrun of the entire game. And there was no cuts in the middle of a level. The guy actually made it perfect from one obligatory load point to another. Now that's impressive. I don't care if he was replaying entire levels many times.
[QUOTE=cccritical;26606415]hey sil, don't you just love those long as hell games that you have to complete in one go-through, you can't save at all, and there are no checkpoints?
yeah, thought so[/QUOTE]
"HERP I don't know that there are obligatory load points when level changes, and that they usually are connected to an autosave from which I can start later if I'd have to go DERP somewhere "
The point of a speedrun is to go through the game perfectly in a shortest time possible. Making a "lolsegment" from every high risk place which you can replay thousand times until you get it right, then cut all the failures out, then mashing all the successful attempts together to make it look like you did it all in the row is light years away from perfect or impressive.
Why is this video getting so much attention?
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;26608295]Opinion noted.
No I'm not. If you'd actually read to what you're replying to you'd notice that I've said it's OK to replay entire game or a level. I don't know where did you get the idea from that I don't. Maybe you're a "thickheaded child". But then your post would be a massive irony.
I like how people jump into discussion without actually reading it, make retarded assumptions and start calling other people stupid.
Would that really be impressive if there was a save/load before each jump mario makes, and who knows how many failed attempts were cut out?
See above, how the fuck is that impressive?
There is a huge difference between replaying whole levels and making save/load cuts just before high risk places. That that through your head.
"HUURRR DURRR you just don't understand what is happening and the guy is obviously better than you at portal, you jelly, that's why you mad DERP"
I've seen an amazing half life 1 speedrun of the entire game. And there was no cuts in the middle of a level. The guy actually made it perfect from one obligatory load point to another. Now that's impressive. I don't care if he was replaying entire levels many times.
"HERP I don't know that there are obligatory load points when level changes, and that they usually are connected to an autosave from which I can start later if I'd have to go DERP somewhere "
The point of a speedrun is to go through the game perfectly in a shortest time possible. Making a "lolsegment" from every high risk place which you can replay thousand times until you get it right, then cut all the failures out, then mashing all the successful attempts together to make it look like you did it all in the row is light years away from perfect or impressive.[/QUOTE]
how is it that cutting between quicksaves and quickloads is absolutely unacceptable and should be punishable by death but cutting between autosaves is just fine and dandy and the only right way to do speedruns
[QUOTE=llamaliker;26599755]I've tried that thing he did with putting the cube on the cake and every time I've tried the claw gets stuck and it never goes to the credits.[/QUOTE]
If you watch in the last video he talks about that and it is very touchy and you have to get it just right.
[QUOTE=Fuhrer;26608343]Why is this video getting so much attention?[/QUOTE]
Because so many people want to discredit the guy. What he did is a speed run regardless of people making up their own definitions for what a speed run is.
[QUOTE=cccritical;26608561]how is it that cutting between quicksaves and quickloads is absolutely unacceptable and should be punishable by death but cutting between autosaves is just fine and dandy and the only right way to do speedruns[/QUOTE]
Cause you actually have to be good to go through an entire level perfectly and super fast. Any monkey can create a lolsegment from every high risk point and replay said point until he succeed and then mash the successful attempts together in windows movie maker.
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;26608643]Cause you actually have to be good to go through an entire level perfectly and super fast. Any monkey can create a lolsegment from every high risk point and replay said point until he succeed and then mash the successful attempts together in windows movie maker.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;26608643]Any monkey can create a lolsegment from every [b]autosave[/b] and replay said point until he succeed and then mash the successful attempts together in windows movie maker.[/QUOTE]
:downs:
there is no way I can possibly make this any simpler to you bud, sorry
[QUOTE=The DooD;26587783]This guy has too much time on his hands.
Actually he doesn't have enough, so he has to be quick.[/QUOTE]
It took him 2 years to perfect.
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;26608295]I've seen an amazing half life 1 speedrun of the entire game. And there was no cuts in the middle of a level. The guy actually made it perfect from one obligatory load point to another. Now that's impressive. I don't care if he was replaying entire levels many times.[/QUOTE]
Wait wait wait... It's ok for Spider-Waffle to do a single segment run, but it's not ok for DemonStrate to do a segmented run? Jesus, you're much more stupid than I originally thought...
There's a reason single segment runs are different from segmented run. Thick headed :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=cccritical;26608703]:downs:
there is no way I can possibly make this any simpler to you bud, sorry[/QUOTE]
Oh really? Every monkey can go from one mapload to another mapload (which may take several minutes depending on a game) in a perfect way?
Wow. You must live in a jungle of genius monkeys.
[QUOTE=Chirno;26608757]Wait wait wait... It's ok for Spider-Waffle to do a single segment run, but it's not ok for DemonStrate to do a segmented run? Jesus, you're much more stupid than I originally thought...
There's a reason single segment runs are different from segmented run. Thick headed :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
How in the hell haven't you understood what am I saying, after that many ways I've said it?
I'll try to make it simple ok? It's not impressive, if you make "segments" from every risky place, replay these segments until you get them right (which might take you 2 years) and then put all the successful attempts together.
This was my point from the begging. How did you miss that? I don't know, maybe you're "Thick headed :rolleyes:"
[QUOTE=Pepin;26608635]Because so many people want to discredit the guy. What he did is a speed run regardless of people making up their own definitions for what a speed run is.[/QUOTE]
No, he cheated! He did things I didn't know existed and he didn't follow my definition of speedrun. Plus he edited the video together to make it shorter!
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;26608777]Oh really? Every monkey can go from one mapload to another mapload (which may take several minutes depending on a game) in a perfect way?
Wow. You must live in a jungle of genius monkeys.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;26608777]Oh really? Every monkey can go from one [b]quicksave[/b] to another [b]quicksave[/b] (which may take several minutes depending on a game) in a perfect way?
Wow. You must live in a jungle of genius monkeys.[/QUOTE]
1. it was ONE quicksave iirc
2. "oh my god the saves are closer to each other this is heresy :argh:"
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;26608777]This was my point from the begging. How did you miss that? I don't know, maybe you're "Thick headed :rolleyes:"[/QUOTE]
No, your point was "It's not a speedrun if you cut out all the fails".
[QUOTE=cccritical;26608947]1. it was ONE quicksave iirc[/QUOTE]No.
[QUOTE=cccritical;26608947]2. "oh my god the saves are closer to each other this is heresy :argh:"[/QUOTE]
This is not heresy, it's just not impressive if the speedrun is a bunch of short clips mashed together, cause it takes no fucking skill to replay every 5 seconds of a game until you get it right until you see the credits.
[QUOTE=Chirno;26609005]No, your point was "It's not a speedrun if you cut out all the fails".[/QUOTE]
Well I wouldn't call something like that a speedrun. That's why I said it's not. But I guess it is a speedrun after all. Just not an impressive one.
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;26609091]No.
This is not heresy, it's just not impressive if the speedrun is a bunch of short clips mashed together, cause it takes no fucking skill to replay every 5 seconds of a game until you get it right until you see the credits.
Well I wouldn't call something like that a speedrun. That's why I said it's not. But I guess it is a speedrun after all. Just not an impressive one.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Video description]
I segmented the speedrun per map. This means when the game says, "Loading...", it is loading a new map, and I save the game and load from there. The only exceptions are Chambers 02 and 13.[/QUOTE]
OH MY GOD HE QUICKSAVED TWICE :suicide:
[QUOTE=cccritical;26609179]OH MY GOD HE QUICKSAVED TWICE :suicide:[/QUOTE]
"He said so it must be true :downs:"
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;26609091]Well I wouldn't call something like that a speedrun. That's why I said it's not. But I guess it is a speedrun after all. Just not an impressive one.[/QUOTE]
By the way, that HL speedrun you speak so highly of was segmented. :keke:
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;26609202]"He said so it must be true :downs:"[/QUOTE]
really
seriously?
"he's lying and he cheated because it's really fast!"
you are 12 years old
[QUOTE=cccritical;26609281]really
seriously?
"he's lying and he cheated because it's really fast!"
you are 12 years old[/QUOTE]
See the difference between what I was implying that you were thinking and what you are implying is that I was actually accurate and I didn't make anything up. You believe there were only 2 saves because he said so, don't you? Or is there another reason?
Now I don't think he cheated because "he's really fast" or because "I don't understand what is happening" as chirno implied. I think that he might have cheated because everyone wants their 5 minutes and there are cuts in the vid. He has both reason, and an opportunity to cheat. When I see Chris Angel disappearing or something I don't believe it's "magic" because he said so. Do you?
[QUOTE=Chirno;26609271]By the way, that HL speedrun you speak so highly of was segmented. :keke:[/QUOTE]
Lets assume that you actually are talking about the same speedrun which I've mentioned (speak so highly of lul). As far as I remember the "segments" were longer than 1 minute (which pretty much as far as this guy is getting).
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;26610013]I think that he might have cheated because everyone wants their 5 minutes and there are cuts in the vid. He has both reason, and an opportunity to cheat.[/QUOTE]
ahahahaha This is fucking great, I can't stop laughing...
[QUOTE=Chirno;26610130]ahahahaha This is fucking great, I can't stop laughing...[/QUOTE]
I've seen people lie about more trivial things just to make a positive impression on people (or enlarge their e-peen). Is that so new to you that you're surprised? Welcome to reality?
[editline]11th December 2010[/editline]
If someone would make a thread here, about how he was shot at, and post some pictures taken from google images you'd instantly believe him and when people would say the story is fake you'd blindly defend him because the story must be true since someone on the internet said so right?
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;26610231]I've seen people lie about more trivial things just to make a positive impression on people (or enlarge their e-peen). Is that so new to you that you're surprised? Welcome to reality?
[editline]11th December 2010[/editline]
If someone would make a thread here, about how he was shot at, and post some pictures taken from google images you'd instantly believe him and when people would say the story is fake you'd blindly defend him because the story must be true since someone on the internet said so right?[/QUOTE]
It's funny as shit that you resort to "hes cheating for fame" because your arguments are fucking terrible. He's already got a record speed run in Portal, he's already known in the Source speedrun community. He gains nothing from this but his video being popular for a week and everyone calling him a cheater, like yourself. His run is a 100% legit speedrun, whether you wish to believe it or not.
[QUOTE=Chirno;26610494]It's funny as shit that you resort to "hes cheating for fame" because your arguments are fucking terrible.[/QUOTE]If my arguments are so fucking terrible how come you haven't refuted any of them except proving to me that this thing can actually be called a speedrun?
[QUOTE=Chirno;26610494]He's already got a record speed run in Portal, he's already known in the Source speedrun community. He gains nothing from this but his video being popular for a week[/QUOTE]
You got it. He did the vid for popularity. Now what if he could shorten his time even more? Just a couple of lies and edits. Why not?
[QUOTE=Chirno;26610494]and everyone calling him a cheater,[/QUOTE]
Why would anyone make something to be called a cheater? You make no sense.
[QUOTE=Chirno;26610494]His run is a 100% legit speedrun, whether you wish to believe it or not.[/QUOTE]
Yeah it's legit because he said so. And Chris Angel can really walk on water.
[QUOTE=Ninja Duck;26608717]It took him 2 years to perfect.[/QUOTE]
This is a truly saddening comment.
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;26610634]If my arguments are so fucking terrible how come you haven't refuted any of them except proving to me that this thing can actually be called a speedrun?[/quote]
Because all your arguments were just "It's not a real speedrun because it wasn't done in one run", meaning I did refute your shit arguments.
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;26610634]You got it. He did the vid for popularity. Now what if he could shorten his time even more? Just a couple of lies and edits. Why not?[/quote]
Damn, you caught him! He made a name for himself in the Source speedruns community, found some time saving glitches/exploits and already made a world record speedrun just so he could later make a fake video to be popular for a week or two. Man, you have this guy figured out already!
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;26610634]Why would anyone make something to be called a cheater? You make no sense.[/quote]
You said "Everyone wants their 5 minutes", which implies he made a fake video to be popular and that's it. When it reality, all he's going to get is a bunch of morons saying he cheated(Like you), and those morons are going to make his video popular for a week or two, then it's back to being a nobody again!
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;26610634]Yeah it's legit because he said so. And Chris Angel can really walk on water.[/QUOTE]
It's legit because I know it is. It's not some cheap illusion like Chris Angel. Given time, it can be recreated and possible a second or two faster. What he did in the video is within the rules of typical speedruns. There was no cheap editing of anything, it's all his demos played in one go.
It sounds like you're just insanely jealous and are now trying to uncover some way to show that it's bullshit. Keep trying, though, it's fucking hilarious watching you type out stupid shit instead of letting it go and realizing you're wrong.
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;26608295]Would that really be impressive if there was a save/load before each jump mario makes, and who knows how many failed attempts were cut out?[/QUOTE]
If there was a segment for each jump, the time for the run would be stupidly high, since SDA adds a few (can't remember how many atm) seconds for each segment, not to make you not use segments, but to stop things like TAS, where the segments reach in the tens of thousands.
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;26608295]I've seen an amazing half life 1 speedrun of the entire game. And there was no cuts in the middle of a level. The guy actually made it perfect from one obligatory load point to another. Now that's impressive. I don't care if he was replaying entire levels many times.[/QUOTE]
It wasn't done to perfection, the run that was done to perfection is the segmented run. You should watch it and tell me that the single segmented one is perfect.
[QUOTE=Dryvnt;26612419]If there was a segment for each jump, the time for the run would be stupidly high, since SDA adds a few (can't remember how many atm) seconds for each segment, not to make you not use segments, but to stop things like TAS, where the segments reach in the tens of thousands.[/QUOTE]
They add half a second.
[editline]10th December 2010[/editline]
As well as half a second when transitioning levels, but there is none of that here.
The only times he save-glitches is when he stands right on top of or next to a portal.
I also find it funny how he stops and waves his e-peen around at the end of some parts, wasting time but showing off
[QUOTE=cccritical;26613259]I also find it funny how he stops and waves his e-peen around at the end of some parts, wasting time but showing off[/QUOTE]
He wasn't. A few parts the elevator will not move until Glados is done talking, so he has some time to spare.
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